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Please note, Pheu Thai/ red shirts what the meaning of a 'landslide' really is in terms of voting percentages.

No secret there: it's been common practice throughout Thailand with migrant workers, be the Burmese, Khmer, Vietnamese, whatever... and on construction sites, bars, gardeners, Gogo bars, fishing parks, wherever.

Back to one of the roots of the issue is police training and pay: not a truly professional force, nor paid well, corruption seems to be a way to make that career choice even viable.

Thaksin is history, but history isn't Thaksin

Sorry to spoil the story, but this is not the work of the local Chongqing govern : it was set up in a small amusement area of Chongqing called YangRenJie, and the owner of the privately-run area installed it as a bit of fun, but he does think it would be a reasonable idea. The owner is a wealthy businessman who has a good sense of humour, this is one of many quirky features he has installed there..... if you google Chongqing sex amusement park, that was another one of his quirky schemes, although that one got shut down before it was even allowed to open.

Are there any specific charges or is this just a hunting expedition?

yes hunting down the thieves khun bill.they have been doing so for over a year..but yinluck said ..when she was the puppet pm that it only took 3 weeks..because that was what someone told her to say...like it or hate it thailand is much more happier and stable since 9 days ago..except for a couple of pundits on here..

So I'll take from your reply that it is a hunting expedition with no specific charges yet. I'm interested because I think the Rice Scheme was a good thing and hope it or some subsidy like it will be continued to support the rural areas. It would be too bad if embezzlement, outright theft or criminal mismanagement would prove to taint the entire program.

People are usually happier and more content when their problems seem to have melted away under some spell like that of alcohol. Unfortunately the next morning they often awake with a headache and find their problems have returned. Of course they could choose to just keep on drinking. Facing problems sober and head-on is not a lot of fun for anyone.

Honest bill i tried to follow your logic but failed, So you believe any person who was involved in the loss of 500 billion + missing rice has since this coup turned to alcohol?

My logic should be easy to follow. I asked "are there specific charges?" I could add 'against specific people'? You seem to believe there is a loss of 500 billion baht and missing rice. From where or whom did you hear these figures and reports? I've heard rumors and allegations of this too, but that was during the Red Shirt/Yellow Shirt tug-of-war and very subject to skepticism - at least IMO. Is that what this NACC investigation is about?

And 500 billion baht is certainly hyperbole, isn't it? The junta's current payments of the delayed payments are said to total 92 billion. In my area about 2/3 of the farmers had already been paid by the former government. Event if that was only 1/2 my quick math tells me the total couldn't be much more than 200 billion. Where did the claim 500 billion loss come from? And even at that there is no "loss" of 500 or 200 billion. There is still rice to sell, isn't there? And the program never was intended to make a profit or even break even, was it? It was a subsidy. The government bought rice at above-market prices and was then to sell it overseas. Any difference would be made up out of the general fund. That's how a subsidy works.

Is there rice missing? Again, I've heard rumors and allegations of this but have seen no definite accounting. I assume the NACC investigation will cover this also and determine if there is, how much and whether this is due to mismanagement or theft.

My alcohol analogy might be harder to follow. It was in response to GoodThaiGirl's remark that "thailand is much more happier (sic) and stable since 9 days ago". It was merely to remind that some things bring happiness in the short term, but not always a happiness that lasts.

Thanks for engaging with me in a discussion about the Rice Pledging Scheme. I really do want to know why so many Farangs and Thais on this forum seem to be so vehemently disgusted and opposed to it, when in my experience out here in the rural areas it was seen to be of great benefit to the famers and farming communities. It's hard to distinguish between the objections focusing on the program itself, or on just the alleged mismanagement of the program, or just a dislike of the former government in general.

Your (or anyone else's) comments would be appreciated...

Does that mean that you seem to believe there would not be "a lot" of money lost, when the former government pledged higher than market value for rice from the farmers? Whatever the exact figure proves in the end to be, and we probably will never know for sure, it's blatant idiocy. You can spin it whatever way you wish, but that's the fact.

There are much more suitable ways to help the farmers than the ridiculous scheme which PTP introduced, such as subsidies on the ferris era, etc.

lets get rid of all crap once and for all and most of all Taksin his clan and red shirt thugs

oh you are either ignorant of whats happening here or you just post cr4p.. I will credit you with the first one

Surprised at that from a Shitty fan. You weren't glad to see the back of him last time?

BREAKING:

General Prayuth replaces police chief, DSI chief, and defence permanent secretary, dissolves the Senate and takes over parliamentary authority.

These people who come from Western democracies but are happy with the military coup and its repression are the biggest hypocrites of all.

Does the fact of where you were born make any difference? That's only coincidental.

He's cutting out the cancer piece by piece.

He is consolidating power, simple as that.

Long time before you will see any elections here now!

Right, because elections worked out so well for Thailand. There's too much talk about one aspect of democracy - elections, and not enough about all the other aspects that make democracy functional: government transparency and accountability, free and fair campaigning all over the country and not just where it's safe, informed and involved citizenry, independent judiciary, an adversory and impartial press. The last 15 years have clearly demonstrated that without all or most of these other institutions in place Thai "democracy" is just mob rule. The problems are so ingrained now that the only way to fix it is to break it down and start over. Hopefully we're witnessing just that.

yes, these days people seem to be under the impression that if people may vote they have democracy, but this is not really true. Democracy needs proper checks and balances, it needs objective media that informs the public. without these aspects it has a tendency to become an elected dictatorship

Exactly.

Why didn't Mrs Yingluck stay in power just a little longer?

More to the point, Niwattamrung didn't attend: sounds like the the General did a deal with the notorious Khun_T from Dubai, and rounded the others up in one foul swoop

Here is a link to the letter : http://eeas.europa.eu/delegations/thailand/documents/news/20140520_en.pdf

It's a six line letter .. normal stuff!

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So, the usual Surapong rhetoric: stating something different to what was actually written. Lies lies lies.

Furthermore, Surapong is NOT the deputy PM as stated in the report. He was stripped of that title after the recent court ruling. What a loser.

Here is a link to the letter : http://eeas.europa.eu/delegations/thailand/documents/news/20140520_en.pdf

It's a six line letter .. normal stuff!

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So, the usual Surapong rhetoric: stating something different to what was actually written. Lies lies lies.

"We won't Thailand to be like Ukraine or Egypt" That has to be an understatement. Here it is worse. For decades. The deep south. Corruption. Elite clinging to power. An average of +1 military coup per 10 years. The General is a populist bringing all these warriors to have a grim on their face. What will change. Zero zero , nada rien de knots, Zlotzkly. Thaksin has to come back. The only leader with Balls and a majority support.

A coward that runs away from a 2-year jail sentence has balls? Pull the other one. And the notorious Khun_T's Gestapo (DSI) filing trumped-up charges against Abhisit, don't see him running away. Prayuth is the one with balls, evidently.

If I put a picture of my monkey on a placard and its position on the ballot and walk up this village with 500 Baht in my hand for each voter then for sure I could get my monkey elected. Why, monkey or people the only thing they are interested in is the 500 Baht. Until this changes the north will continue to control the bought election. It would do no good to post the army at the polling stations as the Taksin payoffs take place long before voting. This has to stop but I don't think it can. They love money more than their country. We are going through another big rain dance!

I don't buy it. Both sides use corruption,it does not guarantee a win. The PT wins elections because they have populist policies. Like it or not that is what most of the rural lower income earners want.

Populist policies that bankrupt the country.... 2 problems rolled into one.... and their answer: it's our mandate, we promised in our election campaign. Herein lieth a big part of the problem.

Sounds like the notorious Khun_T has put his hands in his wallet, then.

The recent pattern for PTP: launch complaints to DSI: headed by dismissed ministers + the notorious Tarit. Prompong displaying his great 'legal knowledge' as lawyer, should be appealing to the appropriate court, should surely be appealing to the Constitutional Court? Tarit is 'on the case' and already concluded investigations, though! This guy is gonna get a comeuppance big time at some point!

Not could but will....

I doubt it.... When they don't get paid, they don't turn up, and the notorious Khun_T won't part with that much money for that to happen

So, without parliamentary immunity and given the bail conditions, should theoretically be behind bars again, soon.

Apparently immunity means nothing just ask Benito Suthep !

Difference is, Suthep never tried to hide behind a parliamentary immunity.... he quit before taking the PDRC to the streets.

Dumbasses. Unbelievable.

All Thailand needs is a credible alternative. Poor show that there currently isn't one that is putting a good foot forward.