MikeOboe57

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"I was thinking this was just a rouge driver, ..."

Can't keep politics out of it, can you.

Anyway, I want to know if you paid the 100 or sat there in defiance of Khun Cleverdick.

Duh, it was a misspelling of "rogue."

Oh look, another Curveball.

They say America is not ready for a Woman to be a President.Did n't America used to have a retarded cowboy as president for 8 years?

Retarded. If you mean Dubya, he's a graduate of Yale University and of Harvard Business School. He was a fighter pilot in the military. He was a self-made multi-millionaire before he ran for POTUS.

He was President of The United States of America.

Now what was your resume again, Einstein?

Dubya was never in the military running the risk of having to serve in Vietnam. His father and friends got him a (at that time) cushy job in the Air National Guard bypassing a rather long waiting list. There are also rumours that when he moved to another state during his service term he never reported for duty again.

It's very dangerous, and plain stupid, to try to run away from an armed officer and to disobey his orders. You may not deserve to get shot, but you're going to get hurt.

Off the cuff I can only name three countries where law enforcement officials shoot/shot unarmed civilians in the back when they try/tried to flee:

- Former East Germany

- China

- North Korea

Keeping good company I see.

The second black box ( Flight Data Recorder (FDR) ) was found today

Any link?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32159602

Smart move by her legal team. Now the prosecution has more than 1 month to adjust their "strategy" and plug any "holes".

Are you serious!!!!

That is so p*** poor that it is laughable. In fact it is funnier than that. much funnier.

It is clear that any chance she had (none) has evaporated now - she is mincemeat and had better start packing her 'goody bag' and favourite cosmetics to take to her new room!!!.

No.

Apologies for sounding ambiguous in my first sentence.

Smart move by her legal team. Now the prosecution has more than 1 month to adjust their "strategy" and plug any "holes".

Just when you think that this [expletive] excuse for a police force cannot stoop any lower, they prove they can do it with ease. What groundbreaking findings did these buffoons expect to obtain from letting the suspect beat up a large pink teddybear at the crime scene?

Fortunately the residents made it clear what they thought of this pathetic charade and forced the BiB to beat a hasty retreat with their "reenactor" who, quite fittingly, wore a sweatshirt with a large heart-shaped smiley on the front.

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When was this?

Headline in "the other newspaper".

Just when you think that this [expletive] excuse for a police force cannot stoop any lower, they prove they can do it with ease. What groundbreaking findings did these buffoons expect to obtain from letting the suspect beat up a large pink teddybear at the crime scene?

Fortunately the residents made it clear what they thought of this pathetic charade and forced the BiB to beat a hasty retreat with their "reenactor" who, quite fittingly, wore a sweatshirt with a large heart-shaped smiley on the front.

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Let´s give them a helping hand:

"Brake Failure!"

So, you'd suggest that in modern society everyone should be suspected to be a lunatic?

Maybe just the ones above a certain IQ?

(please be informed that up to now it's still not clear if the crash was maybe caused by technical defects and/or organizational failures)

you are absolutely right, since the copilot was heard breathing on the cockpit voice recorder, I guess there was a technical problem with his speech and motor ability, since he was apparently unable to talk and unable to move...

and didn't you already disprove yourself your theory about IQ and being a lunatic?

Yes, I cannot understand why some still doubt the investigation as they would not have taken such a position so quickly had the evidence not been extremely compelling.

The transcripts are apparently being released and shows that the lunatic FO encouraged Captain to go to the restroom. 2 minutes later, he told the FO to take over. Immediately after he left and the door closed, the FO puts the plane in a fairly steep nose down dive. Literally, within a few seconds, the door is locked and the nose drops after the Captain exits. Where the heck is the technical defects in that. Some are just talking out their lower orifice without any facts or evidence to substantiate.

He did not put the plane in a "steep nose down dive". This would have caused the plane to exceed Mmo/Vmo - M 0,82/350kts. Selecting alt 0 with autopilot on resulted in a smooth approx. 5deg nose down attitude which made the plane lose 1000m altitude per 10km flight path while keeping the airspeed below Mmo/Vmo. Any steeper would have resulted in overspeeding and an automatic pitch up command by the flight computers. And one can be sure that the captain would certainly not have politely knocked on the door if he - and the passengers - had noticed the plane descend.

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MikeOboe57:

Yes, you're right in ponting out that nobody stated the words "back home".

I would like to learn about the communication between the co-pilot and the control tower. I thought the control tower should keep up permanent contract with the cockpit, is that right?

If so, how come nobody noticed that something had changed inside the cockpit?

Don't they have psychologically trained supervisors in control towers?

The question of "mental issues" is another thing. There are quite a few warnings that psychiatric diagnosis in ICD-10 and DSM-5 tend to label non-conformity as insane, and social/organizational issues as individual issues.

I would be curious to learn what the reason is that this guy should have been banned from aircraft, but understanding privacy rules I better don't ask.

Control towers are responsible for their aerodrome and the vicinity, which can be the traffic circuit(s) or, if they allow instrument approaches and departures, a shoebox shaped "controlled"airspace surrounding them and linking to higher "controlled" airspaces. The Germanwings flight was controlled by a radar-equipped Area Control Center. Communication is as a rule kept to the required minimum to avoid clogging of the frequency, the requirement for ATC and pilots is "constant listening watch", so they can respond immediately to radio calls.

If Lubitz hadn´t descended from the "cleared" flight level, the next contact with ATC would have been the authorization to switch to the frequency of the next ATC sector on their route. There is neither obligation nor capability to constantly check for "unusual behaviour" or any incidents on board. Air traffic controllers are no psychologists. and ATC frequencies are not suitable for "talking someone out of it", except in Hollywood movies.

The information published until now indicates that ATC reacted according to regulation and initiated the emergency phase "DETRESFA" within minutes of the disappearance of the Germanwings flight from their radar and going silent on the radio. Compare this to KL ATC who waited more than 4 hours before they took this action after MH370 disappeared from their radar and went silent.

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/03/26/lv-intv-pleitgen-lufthansa-germanwings-ceo.cnn

According to a CNN interview of Lufthansa CEO, the co-pilot simply didn't want the captain to return home.

Imagine a game of 2, both want success in their life.

One (the captain) is no. 1, the other one (the co-pilot) wants to take his place.

The co-pilot passed all kinds of tests, he's perfectly fit for his job (even according to FAA standards), and now he thinks it's his turn. Good idea to kill the captain who is in his way.

The co-pilot's got key qualifications to be no. 1, eg.a killer instinct. What does he care about the cheap charlies in his back, the self-loading freight, these low-lifes are not his world.

He wants success, success, success. Money, money, money.

He simply forgets that you need a life to call yourself successful.

Guess airlines should do something about motivation management before they hand over their SLF to their crew, maybe a little ethics.

And if that's too expensive, then please tell their breed to do their killings on the ground.

CEOs beware.

Just a thought on a Sunday morning.

There is some misunderstanding on your part. Lubitz did not want the captain to return to the cockpit. Even assuming the most twisted mind this rookie with 100 hrs on type knew that he was a long way away from getting on the left seat - and dying with the captain would get him no closer to it.

The true reason was that he knew that his flying career was over after he had been medically grounded, torn up the certificate and went to work instead of informing his employer. He realized the full extent of his transgression when the captain initiated the landing briefing for their destination Duesseldorf. So he may have decided to go out with a bang and not with a whimper. The SLF ("self loading freight") in the rear did not play any part in his decision.

I knew of an ATC student who was taken off the training because of "mental issues" (using this in the broadest sense) and the very same psychologist that initially had declared him fit for the job was again tasked with assessing his suitability and she was hell bent on getting him back into the training. Result was that after some treatment he was readmitted, despite massive objections from the training staff.

When the police searched his appartment they found a medical note from a flight surgeon declaring him unfit to fly. Instead of informing his employer he had torn it up and gone to work. When the captain went through the landing briefing for Duesseldorf the FO probably realized that his flying career would be over after this transgression and he became very "curt" as the CVR replay showed. Instead of going through the shame of being fired he decided to take this way out. I doubt he thought about the SLF (self loading freight) behind the cockpit door who would have to die with him.

Torn up sick notes relating to mental illness found. It just gets better

According to pprune.org the copilot was "grounded" - apparently for a longer period - on medical grounds and chose to ignore it. It is said that he should not have flown on that day and instead have informed his employer. A torn up "sick note" for a period of time including that day was found when police searched his parents´ house where he was living.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2015-03-27/germanwings-co-pilot-had-sick-note-on-day-of-crash

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I agree, age is not an issue. Experience is.

It's a high stress, high responsibility job

Putting inexperienced possibly inadequately rewarded and highly pressured young pilots directly on the line is just unwise IMHO

Sorry, you're on a roll but completely irrelevant. This didn't occur due to lack of training or age. The guy was good enough to lock the captain out and fly the plane into a mountain. I would like more actual new news and less that's completely irrelevant.

Interesting link found on pprune about the copilot:

http://aviation-business-gazette.com/A44/B58/Pilot-Andreas-Guenter-Lubitz-Rheinland-Pfalz-.html

Ravaged by flood, Tops Sukhumvit 19 remains closed (PHOTOS)

By Coconuts Bangkok

BANGKOK: -- A Tops Supermarket located on the basement level of Robinson Sukhumvit remains closed after the whole place was trashed by a flash flood Tuesday.

Central Food Retail said today they plan to reopen the market, but only after it has been sufficiently cleaned, inspected and determined to be safe.

Full story: http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2015/03/26/ravaged-flood-tops-sukhumvit-19-remains-closed-photos

-- Coconuts Bangkok 2015-03-26

That happens when you are too stingy to install a simple check valve in the floor drain.

Ah, that American thingie of "raising awareness" - instead of money. Anyone remember the "icebucket challenge" and what it was raising awareness for - without googling it? Thought so.

Possible for the other pilot to have suffered a heart attack or anything else that left him incapacitated.

In which case it was unfortunate he managed to lock the cockpit door before having a heart attack.

The door would lock automatically no point in having a unlocked cockpit door during a flight nowadays in an aircraft.

You can always open the door by typing in the correct code. There is however the possibility to lock the door from the cockpit side with a bolt. This would require the remaining pilot to leave his seat and push the bolt - something he would not do in case of a heart attack or similar incapacitation.

It is being described in detail (without revealing sensitive information) on pprune.org

Anonymous quote on the aviation herald website, I quote from http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/558654-airbus-a320-crashed-southern-france-26.html

CVR data has been read. It seems structural failure (windshield? not determined yet)..It was quick... sound of cracks,but crew initiated emergency descent by autopilot and then they weren't heard anymore. Autopilot was on during whole descent, but disconnected automatically shortly before impact when GPWS alerts appeared.

As an anonymous quote it should be treated with caution, but the scenario makes sense.

Nurse Jekyll and Mrs. Hyde...