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Maybe this is how the general intends to reconcile the nation. By having the red and yellow shirts join together to take out the current D word which cannot be said.

There are no yellow shirts - they are long gone

Only redshirt leaders sponsored by Thaksin and the rest of the Thai people who no longer agree with their ideology and methods

No yellow shirts....keep dreaming....they just bleached them....

I've seen enough from red-shirts, Pheu-Thai and Thaksin to know by now that truth is something best avoided.

Whatever this circus turn up, reds will never accept it. We could have 10 videos of Thaksin himself throwing a grenade at the Army and the posters here would say they are all fake. Then they would proceed to attack the messenger who brought the news.

At the end of the day, Thailands problem is not Thaksin or Abhisit : it is the deplorable lack of ethics of certain people and their greed and jealousy of people who have money. They have this Thai trait of extreme spite against someone 'rich' who will not give them anything and extreme sycophancy to those they think might give them something. I see the same thing in the UK, but as usual Thailand has taken it to the extreme.

At the end of the day, you can't teach what these people haven't got. Whatever the outcome of this enquiry, if it doesn't suit their purpose they will reject it. It's called hypocrisy and we have seen plenty of it already.

So what is your point : they deserves to be adjusted, media threatened and polls results must be cancelled if not suiting the PM, army, Elite and above?

the full sentence:

I'm determined to see peace and prosperity for me, my friends at the top and my wealthy companions

Maybe he should have think about this instead of boycotting the last elections, leading to this

So it was just a full moon party which went wrong

_{Last week, Jatuporn Prompan, leader of the Redshirt movement's official umbrella organization, called for postponing the election in order to address the new charter’s “undemocratic” nature, including a clause that allows MPs to appoint an unelected Prime Minister, the establishment of an unelected Senate, and the establishment of powerful unelected "independent" agencies.}

_{Jatuporn Prompan.......................................... and who elected him to anything ? what gives him the mandate to speak at all}

With a PM who seized power and no possibility of political gathering it s quite difficult to have any mandate

I see a lot of growling, or critics, but ask yourself, did the last government of

Mr. or Ms., rich family in power work for you? Did all the problems associated with

them work for you. Oh I know that some think the Mr. and Ms. last family in power

were voted in with some help, but If Thailand wants a cleaner Democracy without the

population getting paid to vote, then I think the country has to clean up its voting practices,

before trying again for a democratic, people vote for the next government.

Just my 2 cents of opinion on this matter.

Yeah it s better for the elite to keep thinking the thais are kids...and even better to have a guy as PM who say he wants to adjust the press and tell them they are stupid while threaten them

Not sure if it s the same case but the CSI facebook page wrote something about what seems to be this case:

the woman is said to have an affaire with a top brass army general, and suspect the hanging part is not suicidal

Private Hopital make a lot of money from drugs and minor services

Some exemples :

i had a tonsil operation and it was nice, the operation by itself cost 85,000thb and was covered by my insurence

However all the medicine i took aside from the operation costed a total of 10000thb at the hospital counter

I stopped the hospital medicine when i saw they charged me 250thb for a gargle medicine.

Few years ago i had a wound on my leg

Daily dressing change at the BNH : 600thb if made by a nurse, 1000thb if made by the doctor

The same thing at the public hospital :40thb

I went to the ENT two days ago and ended with 4500thb visit : 1000for the doctor (no isssue with that) 3000thb for antibiotique and some other medicine...

I swear by the stars in the moon in the sky :

this is crap

As for violence:

I have stated repeatedly that there was violence from both sides of the protesters and I have stated many times that I do not support the violence. I have never denied the existence of the MIB in 2010 nor have I ever denied the presence of navy guards at PDRC protests. I don't condone red shirts shooting off RPGs any more than I condone the PDRC firing the same.

(snipped for brevity and topic relevance.).

How nice of you to not condone the PDRC firing RPGs - but have they ever done that? Could you spare a little condemnation for those who did?

I have already "spared a little condemnation for those who did", as you state with tongue in cheek.

Now, I always figured that you were unaware of current events.

Remember back when the royalist courts prohibited the government from using basic means of crowd control against the PDRC protesters because they were "peaceful"?

As a note, the yellow courts did something similar in 2006.

Oddly enough, they didn't do that in 2010...

Well, now, that ruling was made right after a confrontation between police and protesters. Here are a couple of links for you...

after Tuesday's violence, in which four protesters and one police officer were killed in a gun and grenade attack after police attempted to remove demonstrators from protest sites,

or this report:

A Human Rights Watch researcher told VOA that militants had M79 grenade launchers and were firing at police.

Oddly enough, no grenades were fired at police or pro-government supporters in 2013/2014, only one IED was throw at the police with the officer courageously kicking the device away. Lots of real grenades lobbed on anti-government protesters, mostly cowardly in the night, although an IOD was thrown in the crowed when Suthep marched past. Only one or two killed, but that's normal when 'democracy lovers' get annoyed.

Anyway, the topic is 2010 with lots of real grenades lobbed at non-red-shirts. A topic to be avoided, ridiculed, distracted from, etc., etc.

You should re read the news about 2013 2014...you seem to have "selective-reading"

Oh and an honest question :

What happened to all the money Suthep collected ?

Do we have any proof that he give this back to the poors and rice farmers as he promised?

I am quite sure no, but i would be happy to be wrong and see the money fairly distributed to the poor, and not the Suthep family

Add it to the list. There's also still a request for the administration of the UDD protesters, freely donated money and how it was used. A clear itemised list of goods bought and distributed, weapons and ammunition. Of course also the applicable VAT should be mentioned.

Why answering my question with something else?

So two wrongs make a right?

better shut up IMO

Those of PT who keep talking about returning power to the people should keep in mind the fact that it was the power of the people which disposed of them when the people came out in protest against them when they tried to push through the amnesty bill which nobody wanted.

This included their own people, as per :

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/678356-more-and-more-red-shirts-taking-a-stand-against-thai-amnesty-bill/

BANGKOK: -- OPPOSITION against the controversial blanket amnesty bill within the red-shirt movement is growing as the Pheu Thai Party refuses to budge and continues trying to push it through Parliament.

Those who are now claim to speak for the people have no mandate to do so and are only representing their own interests.

Wrong, for the first part of your comment, this was not the reason the army stepped in.

Right for the second part : Prayout has no legitimate mandate and represent only his own interest as well as the "happy few" at the top of the country

Any optimism would end with the same Peau thai (current name ) corrupt gangsters put back by their minions up country. Keep the reigns of power General P and save the country from completely dissappearing down a black hole!

Coming from you, this comment is not surprising..the adjustment session worked quite well on you it seems.

Prayout is not saving the country, he is saving the wealth of the elite and his own which may be in danger when this "particular event" will happen

Maybe you can feel quite upset if EACH TIME you win an election, the army step in to put someone they want instead....for more than 15 years.....

Whatever you said mate it was a violent crackdown on protesters who were ready to fight yes, but who didn't start the live rounds days.

Why some areas were live rounds while other not?

Why the general in charge do not sit with Suthep or Abhisit?

Why there is still not any clear explanation from the Army about the temple shooting?

Why the journalist families who were shoot by the army still don t have any answer?

It is not like the army here has an history of non violence....

Each time there was a government elected in Thailand which didn t suit the "elite/army/above" it was removed in a way or another...

I have said in the past, I was a supporter of Thaksin and was very happy to see him win. He won two terms in a row. So its not "EACH TIME", he could very much have held office if it were not for his corruption and people fed up with his brazen moves regarding his self interest and business.

Wow we are back at the "live round days" again, I say red shirts threw grenades and shot up pro dem businesses, you say soldiers used live rounds. Which came first you tell me.

"Why some areas were live rounds while other not?"

I'm pretty sure the whole city became a live round zone, but its mostly concentrated at Silom and Ratchaprasong because that is were the main red shirt camp is.

"Why the general in charge do not sit with Suthep or Abhisit?"

I don't know what you mean by it, either way they are different organization, why would he sit with Suthep and Abhisit?

"Why there is still not any clear explanation from the Army about the temple shooting?"

Do I really have to repeat why the Army did not give a clear explanation? Its like asking why Yingluck refuse to release Rice Scheme figures for two years, asking Thaksin to clear up his corruption charge. Either way NACC did find that soldiers were responsible for most of the deaths and that is why Suthep and Abhisit has to report in pending a trial. No need to debate if anything will happen or not yet.

"Why the journalist families who were shoot by the army still don t have any answer?"

Based on investigations last year, they do have an answer of which direction the shooting most likely came from, it was most likely from the soldiers side. Who shot who we will never know. Again no need to debate as it will be a dead end road.

"Maybe you can feel quite upset if EACH TIME you win an election, the army step in to put someone they want instead....for more than 15 years....."

"Each time there was a government elected in Thailand which didn t suit the "elite/army/above" it was removed in a way or another.."

Do I have to remind you TRT/PTP has been in the office for the better part of the decade? So your statement is completely false and you have no clue about Thai politics other than the red propaganda you've been reading or someone is telling you!

Yes I do feel upset that TRT/PTP can win election after election while making false promises and continuing to put farmers in more debt. Lying to the public and coming up with schemes that are not sustainable, and bold enough to flaunt it. I'm more than happy to debate about Populist Policies and Schemes.

All of your questions can be answered if you have kept up to date with the news. It seems like you are stuck on the mind set of "anti coup", coup is bad, many people get killed and not aware of the events that have happened. Honestly, without change like this, the country will always be corrupt with no one following the laws.

You re obviously didn t follow the politics and still think the junta do this for the wellness of thai citizen.

The army do this for the few at the top.

What upset me the most is that Suthep/Prayout supporters still think thai people are stupid and would have voted again for Yingluck after getting bankrupt because of the rice scheme....

Even without the army the poll showed she was in a bad situation.

Don t forget the army corrpution, much more silent but believe me really present and involving a HUGE amount of money.

Don t forget the "adjustment sessions", threats made by the army and people anti-coup disappearing....

We all know what is looming and why the army and people at the top wish to keep the country in hand, awaiting this event in fear...and from what i see the dear Generalissimo don't use the correct methods...threats, corruption and coercion never work too long in this time of mass social media..

What make me sad also is most of the "pro coup" are proud to be a "je suis Charlie" or praise the Ukrainian "revolution"....

I would suggest that lessons/history ignored after so many issues that an elected government be left to govern as the law provides, and stop this merry go round of throwing out governments and coup's, and the problem with the argument, Butt, but they got what they asked for (elections within a year), well why didn't mark see the volatile nature of these murdering MIB and do what a smart politician would do if he cared for the peoples safety and the country and dissolve government and elections with in 60 days as provided by the law.

The situation should not have been let to escalate to that stage, and there is incompetence and accountability for that also, ie dereliction of duty.

as far as people saying the police did nothing to stop them coz mr,T gave orders, what a steaming load that is, Simple if the chief of police refused to do his job, remove him and put in another who will, and the former Chief Of Police would be in gaol for dereliction of duty, would he not? that what a smart PM would do yeah.

It's a very simple Q&A, Did the PM and his deputy give the green light to the military to use live rounds and as a result people died.

Perhaps a better question to ask is why was there a merry go round of throwing out governments? What have they done wrong? I don't want to here the "Elite holding on to power" nonsense. Lets not forget PTP/TRT had 49% of the Bangkok votes during their peak, so that elite argument really does not hold any water.

Your excuse of "volatile nature of these murdering MIB", for DEM to call an earlier election is lame. Its the same as why did UDD put protesters in danger when they could have accepted it! or why did the UDD put millions of citizens in Bangkok in danger by wiring their campsite with homemade bombs and rockets!

Why DEMs won't hold an earlier election, we will never know, some say its because of the military reshuffle in September. Which could be the very same reason why UDD did not accept it as they want to put their own military leaders in charge, hence an earlier election.

You are trying to put the responsibility of this chaos at the end of the chain which is Abhisit and DEMs, yes they are partial responsible for the deaths. But you still fail to solve the root of the problem which is Corruption and Law Enforcement. We have been repeating the same thing even with PTP elected! Corruption corruption corruption!

Again if you want to blame the "elites" for the problem, lets review which party has been in office for the better part of the decade?

"why did the UDD put millions of citizens in Bangkok in danger by wiring their campsite with homemade bombs and rockets!"

This is such b/s its unbelievable anybody could post it. Millions at risk, what do you imagine they wired in, a couple of themo nuclear bombs, 2 million tons of TNT?

I walked all through the protest site (don't forget it was a protest site) the day before the crackdown and there was very little evidence of anything but a basically peaceful protest continuing.

There was NO good reason to for Suthep to order a violent crackdown.

Perhaps I should have word it better, no its not on the scale of any military scale bomb. But nonetheless millions of people do walk by the campsite each day. Perhaps you may think that these fireworks are harmless. Do you honestly think they will store bombs, fireworks, and weapons at a protest site that they open to the public to walk through? or visible to the public?

Did you not see what they brought out when soldiers moved in?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/blog/2010/may/14/thailand-troops-advance-protesters-live

It must be all harmless fun and games with homemade rockets! I remember Dan Rivers reporting for CNN who stood by protesters firing off homemade rockets and called these harmless.

Or the fact that M79 grenades were fired at soldiers who were station just across from protest sites! Those grenades must have just dropped out of the sky right?

No good reason for soldiers and innocent bystanders to be hurt by grenades before the crackdown too! You must have forgotten the bombings and shootings of business that were pro-dem before soldiers moved in.

I'm repeating myself too many times trying to counter the same arguments or red supporters here down playing the violence of the UDD and only focusing on the military and Dem. Won't comment anymore unless its something new to talk about.

Maybe you can feel quite upset if EACH TIME you win an election, the army step in to put someone they want instead....for more than 15 years.....

Whatever you said mate it was a violent crackdown on protesters who were ready to fight yes, but who didn't start the live rounds days.

Why some areas were live rounds while other not?

Why the general in charge do not sit with Suthep or Abhisit?

Why there is still not any clear explanation from the Army about the temple shooting?

Why the journalist families who were shoot by the army still don t have any answer?

It is not like the army here has an history of non violence....

Each time there was a government elected in Thailand which didn t suit the "elite/army/above" it was removed in a way or another...

Oh and an honest question :

What happened to all the money Suthep collected ?

Do we have any proof that he give this back to the poors and rice farmers as he promised?

I am quite sure no, but i would be happy to be wrong and see the money fairly distributed to the poor, and not the Suthep family

There are plenty of photos of the men in black out there, a small selection :

blackshirt1.jpg

2010_Red_army_terrorist_07.jpg

MIB.jpg

Back then they didn't have to be wearing black to be carrying a weapon some of the so called peaceful protesters were also armed :

hand gun.jpg

Incidentally Sae Deang was shot on orders of either Thaksin or the red leaders, not by the army.

Oh the Hell do you know Sae Deang was shot by the red ones?

Strangely, the one the army and the yellow were afraid was sae daeng because of his radical views and his army training and logistic knowledge...

The daily fire exchanges started when Sae Daeng was shot in the head by a sniper...

Guess who has snipers at disposal quite easily

Also the army didn t shoot the journalists in the back, and they didn t shot insid ethe temple....Abhisit is as much responsible for this than Suthep and Prayout. but the Dear Leader will never have any trouble with this...

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Corrupted may mean anything if he use the article 44.

Thai law has already many ways to deal with corruption efficiently.

Using 44 may hints that the trials will be anything except fair

"Thai law has already many ways to deal with corruption efficiently."

Well not quite true, which is why the good general is ramping it up and using stronger measures.

"...efficiently." Well the irony is that the last government reduced the resources, the power to find & investigate and punish corruption and also reduced the budget for the same.

Yes it has the laws needed, just not used or used by corrupted people.

However using 44 just means that everyone the Dear Leader think is corrupted (or not in the line of the politic he wants) will be corrupted...

Don't play the dumb, we all know that this kind of law may be used to evict anyone who is not "adjusted"

-they change the name global warming to climate change because most of the uneducated people in western and eastern countries (and on thaivisa apparently) do not understand that global warming does not mean that the region they live will be hotter and may even become cooler because of the global warming.

Another Bush on the road to the White House...

Two were not enough ? (even three if we count the John Prescott Bush)

Excuse me but it is a big deal. That's why it is just a big topic right now and you are saying this.

please explain why it is a big deal considering it would only take effect under extreme situations such as was seen last year when Thailand was at the brink of civil war

because the new chart also say that only a third of the government would be elected, the other 2/3 would be appointed...so basically, democacy would be a far cry...

Letting the army, the Privy Council or whoever in charge, choose whoever they what, whatever the people want