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Of course many many working class Thais will be out of a job because of the torching of Central World.

You make it sound as if Central World was a workers' paradise.

I doubt there will be nary a tear shed by the toilet cleaners, floor sweepers and security guards that had obscene wealth and snobbery rammed down their throats on a daily basis.

You are a very sad cynical and quite ill informed person. Amazing that you can make such a sweeping statement about thousands of other people that you don't know regarding how THEY feel about their jobs and their working conditions. But you are right I'm sure those people that had wealth and snobbery??? rammed down their throats every day are likely glad they have no income and can't pay their bills and have to move in with friends or sell stuff they have etc..etc.. to survive.. and finally have you ever been inside CW??? Snobbery?? Wealth??? Ummmmm I don't think so....

I said nothing about taking money out of Thailand. Thaksin is in Dubai, so clearly any money used to fund the red shirts would have come into Thailand. The money I'm talking about is the money that the red shirt leaders allegedly received from Thaksin as payment. It's just hard to believe they would keep it in Thai bank accounts, since Thaksin's accounts were frozen and they must have surely known about the government keeping an eye on all their accounts.

I suggest you go read up on international money laundering laws and regulations for KYC and movement activities.. you will see that once again you are simply throwing out a red herring to try to obscure what is obvious to everyone else as to where the money came from. I knew cats liked fish but your obsession is borderline insanity....

I've been right here in Chiangmai following it all not only on ThaiVisa but CNN, BBC, Al-Jazeera, Twitter and also had some first hand reports via my Thai/Issan wife's family who have been hearing both sides of the story.

I already acknowledged the innocents and said that was a shame because it truly is (see my comments in red),..but like I said bud,... "an honest witness tells the truth".... I'm not outright saying you're a liar but I will say that you appear by your comment (and the retort defense herein) that you are indeed an occasional stranger to the truth (this occasion being one of them!)

M16's, Semi-automatic weapons, M79's grenade launchers, Molotov's and such cannot be discounted as being non existent or as mere on hand inventory in wait of use. They were used,..and in cowardly fashion against army, police, journalists and even their "own". They have burned down buildings, beaten and shot soldiers, killed civilian non-reds that showed resistance. Thrown freaking grenades into opposing peaceful anti-red protesters and at buildings, and the list goes on.

They (the Red's,..Insurgents) drew first blood and they brought this carnage to BKK and into Thailand,... and you want to chastise the army for doing their job? The army and the government had no choice ultimately to go in hard and unfortunately their has been CD. The mind boggles at the thought of what this may have developed into if a civil war/militia rule with these thugs had eventuated. Next month when you're able to walk around BKK normally again just give thanks that someone did have the balls to bite the bullet and use lethal force to stop these scumbags. The suggestion that any of these soldiers is purposefully killing innocent civilians or taking any gratification from that is not only preposterous and absurd, but also obscene, disrespectful and totally ignorant!

There will be casualties and collateral damage in any war or suppression or an uprising (which is what this was). They needed to be stopped and that is now at long last starting to transpire.

I'm fully awake and cognizant of what's going on and going down and willing to state fact and tell the truth about it,... unlike some posters on here that evidently have their heads charged up their own rear end!

Maybe you've made one too many posts on here bud and have adopted the view that your own statements are gospel because of it. That's kind of like believing in your own BS and not realizing you've just shot yourself in the foot! Why not take a moment to think before you set to your knee-jerk posting routine in future? Take a little more time to think it through,.. go have a cup of coffee and then hit "Add Reply" when you're clear that your comments have been fully considered and tempered with reality!

dam_n.. that should be a sticky somewhere.. talk about having one's finger on the pulse so to speak.. well done

Let's stop feeding the trolls, please. Always the some crap over and over.

For some people only posted 42 messages so far.. what should we address you? A real Thailander? Should we give any award to you by keeping quiet?

Newsflash there Mr. Lemon, it's not the quantity it's the content.

Wrong SomTum...! The good, honest and disenfranchised citizens of Thailand do not deserve being trampled and killed by the very Army that is paid to protect them.

When a legitimate government, elected by the citizens of Thailand, returns the country to the people then the old guard of the Army should be retired and a new generation should begin to restore the integrity of the Army.

Your rants and name calling have nomeaning.

Mr. Pot, please meet your new best friend Mr Kettle...I can only say thank goodness for people like you, we all need a bit of levity in times like this

Where are the posters, who I will not name, that were posting endlessly that the government should go in blazing and take out the reds?

Well they did what you wanted and now look at the city and nation.

Bangkok could end up gone if this goes on for weeks and months.

You farang fat butts can go home but Thais are stuck here.

Your idea was indeed a very bab bad idea.

hahaha, well some of us "farang fat butts" (very classy btw) are HOME here... so we are not going anywhere and it still was the right thing to do for the long term.

Hahhaaha...i have no idea what are you talking right now.. so many mistakes in the grammar.. come.. shoot me for valid reason.. I am kind to accept other people opinion rather than just denying like you.. I wonder if we got a chance to meet any western foreigner to test for our english mastering capability..

There we have it proof positive of troll status.. that wasn't so hard to admit now was it? Thanks for playing, but you have a long way to go to master the troll skill level of many of your other new "friends" on TV

For some people like you do not accept other opinion and so call other as "Troll" will never learn and improve. Think properly before you post also which your mind is full of innocent blood.. Nothing is more important than a life.. I believe.. for your entire life.. you do not know what is politic and you are only bias for one site due to current situation... Listen here.. No one state that the Red Shirt is doing the right things.. however, tell yourself.. who bring this protest idea to those "low-educated" residents? It is (I guess - personal) is your lovely Yellow shirt protesters.. When the situation come to worse.. why there is so hard to dissolute and held another election to make a clean and international accepted government?? Whatever consequence is come from and initiatives.. learn before you object other people opinion.. thanks

You are clearly a troll and saying you are not does not make it so... I gather English is not your first language and that is fine, but it does make it a bit harder to understand exactly what you are going on about. You did NOT offer up opinions you presented a bunch of items as factual. As in what the REDS wanted to happen to the Vice PM, which was incorrect as were the other all the other comments you made..

As for your continued babbling I don't own any yellow shirts, they are not mine and I detest what they did every bit as I do what the REDS did, you please store that cliche for another day.

You my friend need a better grasp on the language before you post some of the things you do, not an insult just a friendly suggestion as nothing you said it that post came across as logical.. the protest idea was not brought to the "low educated" residents by anyone other than their local thug leaders that rounded them up for the slaughter by their "dear leader" time to pull your head out of the sand

I'm kind of wondering why the fire extinguishers in Central World didn't work. Possibly because the government turned off the water?

Probably because armed red shirts were preventing firefighters from getting there before the fire spread, as has been reported, but you'll say ANYTHING to relay the blame onto someone else. Please stop posting. This isn't your city. Let us who grew up here mourn the loss of what is our home to a bunch of drugged up terrorists on a revenge spree. What exactly are you trying to achieve with your posts? You want to enrage posters? Be controversial? Just fuc_k off already.

Thanks for saving me the trouble of posting the same msg.. that is one kitty that should be an outside cat... and away from the computer... utter nonsense filled posts every time.

Everyone also know that they accept it but they just wanna the vice Pm to be investigated.. if majority of your friends die.. will you just stay there and do nothing? So.. if it necessary to kill them when they ask for investigation?? Think properly ..

dam_n trolls they are everywhere tonight...

1. They asked for the Vice PM to be charged and make bail... not possible due to his position and the agency handling the case, LEARN before you post.

2. They did not ask for this until AFTER the moderates had said they liked the roadmap as is... only their "dear leader" did not like it

3. Roughly 60 (way too many I agree) died, hardly the majority of the protesters.

4. I can assure you that any normal somewhat educated and civilized human being would NOT lay waste to an entire city (country?) if people I was with where killed in the course of an ILLEGAL insurgency.

5. You should heed your own advice and learn to think "properly" before you post any more rubbish.. thanks

Oh really? So I guess the people whose lives and jobs have been completely ruined by this two month long "protest" and subsequent burning of their city should take the law into their own hands and go to the villages of these red-shirts and burn that s_hit down, too?

It appears you and my wife are reading from the same playbook.. she is disgusted right now with the "thai" people that did this.. she can't understand how anybody for ONE second that claims to respect the King would ever even consider doing something like is happening in BKK right now. She wondered aloud what would happen if a group of people headed up to KK or Bumfuc_k Nakon to do the same how things would go. Of course she caught herself and said what am I thinking those crazy buggers would shoot us all on site just for being born in BKK... sad sad sad... more so that its so close to the truth for some of these thugs

this assault could still take place against cres and Abhisit and his Gov in hiding!

believe me, this is why they hiding and NONE will ever walk carefree in the park for rest of their lives again now.

relatives of 70 dead must total more than 1000 knowing size of extended familiies in isaan. somebody depressed still in ten years and it's chechya black widows time for Democrats.

Hmmmmmmm I believe you have a chip on your shoulders.. a rather large pair of them... there must some reason why common sense and logic not to mention critical thinking never seem to play any part in your posts

I think the reds are basically peacefull

I think you are basically simple.

Hmmm I am going to have to vote for the OP being considered totally completely and professionally simple....

Updated: Ji Ungpakorn on anger

The Anger of the People is Justified

Giles Ji Ungpakorn

The anger of the ordinary people has finally erupted into violence with numerous buildings being set of fire in Bangkok and the provinces. People are also trying to use any means to fight the army. There are reports that Government buildings, banks, the stock-exchange, luxury shopping malls and pro-military media are all being set on fire.

All this is totally justified.. why?

Because:

1. The Government and the army have repeatedly used armed soldiers, assassination squads, snipers and tanks to kill unarmed pro-democracy demonstrators since April. The death toll will easily reach 80 with thousands injured.

2. This state-sponsored violence against civilians was carried out in order that Abhisit’s military-backed Government could stay in power and avoid elections for as long as possible. It was never elected in the first place. The Government is a product of military and judicial coups since 2006.

3. The Red Shirts have repeatedly offered talks and compromises, yet the Government has answered with bullets.

4. In a Democracy, the people should be the ultimate decision-makers, not the military, the elites and the Palace. Any demand for democratic elections is totally justified, even if it disrupts shopping centres and luxury hotels.

5. Mealy-mouthed so called non-violent groups could never bring themselves to put the blame entirely on the shoulders of the Government, the military and Royalist elites, despite the fact that the violence was from the army. They never put their weight behind the huge struggle of the UDD leadership to try to maintain a peaceful and disciplined protest. This is because these organisations supported the coup in 2006 in the first place. They allowed the Government to claim that there would be no peace until the protests stopped.

Yet now that the official protest has been drowned in blood and stopped, there will not be peace because there is no justice.

You know it is really hard to follow things around here if people are not going to keep us posters informed when it's opposite day... dam_n it all

Already has mate.

propping up ruling elite with 19 coups and deposing 3 pms in 4 years has just bited the elite in its butt.

those talk about thaksin just show again not know thailand much and only worry that bars not open again.

thaksin been away 4 year or you not know this?

you not know that he not on CRES?

you not know he not in army?

you not know anything!

Devekula say smart thing tonight about gov offer. they want what gov offer, but want it from man they elect, and they not elect mark.

just want for one time ever in this elite run country, to vote and have the people they vote for not killed, not banned, not couped.

Sorry so many falangs ignorant of this because think they hi so falang.

So does the curfew apply to you as well? I mean is living under a bridge these days considered being indoors??? Hmmm not sure, be safe out there..

This government is the worst I have ever seen.. and some of the people here..may have studied for quite sometimes.. become the second class or higher who claims they knows what is the meaning of "democracy".. Thailand has become the biggest joke in international for attacking and hurting those unarmed people.. Those "educated" person thought they can rule the country with their limited knowledge without providing the real care to the people.. definitely will get revenge one day.

From the beginning, the red-shirt gangs is only looking for Election but not a War. Any smart politician should know how to solve the problem UNLESS they worry their power are being stolen after election..

What a mess

Hehe, I really love when the trolls come out to play but in your case the skill level is clearly not up to par with some of the more experienced SP and bridge dwellers, but keep at it young lad you too might be a famous TV troll some day. You are so right I simply don't know why the PM did not offer up elections... ummmmmm never mind you'll never understand...

Total incompetence.

No need to be so hard on yourself, take a step back and a few deep breaths

Dreaming again.

Nobody is ever going to send Thaksin back to a murderous third world right wing dictatorship.

why is he in london now laugh against your silly charge. have lawyer now going to cause big finiance problem for thai elites who have money they steal from poor and buy house in london and europe. watch for this.

surprise me that intellegent falang cannot see this is just for use as propaganda on poor farmers. farmers not believe it because they not buffalo like falangs.

Goodness, what a shining example of what not having an education leads to. How very sad for you and your family, I do hope at some point your brain gets in gear and you take a close look at all the trolling you are doing and realize you could be so much better than this..

I doubt most countries will buy the terrorism charges against Khun T. I suspect things will remain the same for him regardless of what happens in thailand. I think even if Khun T was dead this mess will continue....

It appears the issue is that you in fact do not and did not think before posting this drivel.