stepenwolf1958

Come on, this is the oldest trick in the book. The way to get yourself elected is created a diversion. Create fear and let nature take it's course.

I'm more inclined to believe it's Cambodia attempting to manipulate Thai politics and get the democrats kicked out.

I would agree with this. Probably Taksin has colluded with Hun Sen and there is probably some bigger plan behind it; that is Taksins proxy party gets back in power and thus Thailand and Cambodia can get back to that special relationship they had in Taksins time, which was much more like a business relationship.

And the question is:

which option is better? To have peace even because of"business relationship" with neighbour, especially not so sweet neighbour as Combos are, or to have this now where Thais suffer(also Cambodians?

Which option you would vote for?

What? Clinton didn't take America into Iraq, Bush did.

I agree, nothing good happening, but useful for the present Thai leaders.

This is a ploy governments use to stay in power. They want a conflict because people have a tendency not to change leaders during times of conflict or war. Clinton did the same by jumping into Iraq just before his reelection and then pulled out after after the election. "Tail Wagging the Dog"

Wrong. What Clinton did was jumping in NATO campaign(initiated and led) of 3 months of bombing Serbia, ex Yugoslavia. Not Iraq.

Young Master Step, a reading course may be appropriate for you.

Markaew said 'Clinton did the same by jumping into Iraq', Sausageandmash corrected with 'Clinton didn't take America into Iraq, Bush did.'

Saying 'wrong, Clinton did something else' doesn't make much sense

I understood all, uncle Rubl.

It was said Clinton jumped into Iraq and i said it is not truth as Clinton jumped in pot of Balkan Peninsula, more precisely Serbia and i said what for.

That's all.

I made a mistake. Before this crises he visited Bahrein, Philippines and India.

What? Clinton didn't take America into Iraq, Bush did.

this seems to keep cropping up every few months, things get better than....

there is something going on that none of us are aware of and it can not be good for anyone on either side.

I agree, nothing good happening, but useful for the present Thai leaders.

This is a ploy governments use to stay in power. They want a conflict because people have a tendency not to change leaders during times of conflict or war. Clinton did the same by jumping into Iraq just before his reelection and then pulled out after after the election. "Tail Wagging the Dog"

Wrong. What Clinton did was jumping in NATO campaign(initiated and led) of 3 months of bombing Serbia, ex Yugoslavia. Not Iraq.

One thing is not clear.

During these type of crises, any government in world would intensify diplomatic activities and arranged a series of visits to countries that are possible key to solving the crisis.

Why Prime Minister does not travel in an official visit to any of these key countries.

By the way, I do not remember that from the first moment of his ruling, this PM went to an official visit to any country.

I think since then there was none.

This is unusual even in the absence of crisis.

The crisis of this intensity would imply series of visits to various countries of the Prime Minister.

What is the reason that the PM does not visit any country, even now?

I just remember one canceled visit.

What's going on? Is it fear that might happen to him what happened to previously ousted PM?

I am confused now???

China and US are are in Council of UN so i can understand that was reason but if that was reason, why they didn't inform other members of UN Council?

Moreover, why they informed Vietnam? Vitnam is involved in this? China and US, too?

What a mess....

Judging by my life and professional experience, Ruble uncle was right when he predicted this turn of events (plot). Now it is to be expected, if Thais continue this line of making tensions, claiming bilateral diplomacy as way to solve problem but just for medias but in fact rejecting any diplomatic solution, that is to create an atmosphere in people where the state is in danger so it would be reasonable to establish state of emergency so no elections until the country is in danger.

What else needs to be paid, any price, for to stay and survive in power?

Now all" more Thais than Thais" here can see clearly what way this Governments goes and what for.

Refusing to talk on the subject of the cease-fire is very dangerous. It showing amateurism in diplomacy but more than that, it shows arrogancy and it will not be forgiven.

It will come as a boomerang and with a very high price and will not remain unnoticed by the international community.

However, it is now absolutely clear who wants to make war.

Hard times coming.

This is exactly what is needed at this moment. The voice of sense, healthy reasoning and ability to admit fault and mistake, without fear to lose the face.

Critics are more than welcome now.

Realistic critics, even addressed to PM or any one else from this Government.

Progressive moves and new hope for establishing some values of real democracy, nearly future.

Moreover it comes from those whom it most concerned, Thais.

Someone from this ruling team, in near future, has to be prosecuted for this, for to be relict of the past in government and that one who will be prosecuted for bringing the country to the brink of real war will be not Mr. Abhisit.

Time to face the truth and face with irresponsibility, immaturity, incompetency in governing.

How many of you here, think this is a part of scenario to make Thailand fall apart?

Or, how many of you think this is just about greedy of Thai politicians?

So, witch hunting season is open(again).

Torquemada rides again.

Department of Saint Inquisitors will be busy.(again and again)

But don't you think it should be up to the members of the party to decide who runs for them?

fair enough question, but it is a practice no different than many western parliamentary parties. Political party leaders have the right to decertify candidates selected in a riding or district. The intent behind such power is to prevent unsuitable candidates from running under the party afiliation. This power acts to safeguard the party from an embarrassing candidate.

You wrong!!!

In the eyes of some very few members here it IS monstrous and non democratic, dictatorial and illegal when Mr.T(h)aksin do but when Mr.Abhisit reshuffle his cabinet and get rid of people in Cabinet who belong to other parties(satellites) then it IS ok and not worth even any comment of this very few members here.

And after that those few members here - they will say they are realistic, fair, aside of any of 2 groups or persons, and they are very close to democracy...Yeah, in their dream only.

EVERY party in this world doing same. It is normal process in life of party. OH, but it is with hidden and dirty background and intention, it is malicious if Mr. T(h)aksin do or PTP. What a joke!

In a truly democratic fashion our esteemed Lord and Master k. Thaksin has banned two incumbent MPs. They have been found guilty of suspected of planning to defect from the party in the upcoming general election. They may count their blessings, our Lord and Master is benevolent as ever and not out for revenge, they will not loose their lives.

Hail all.

Please note that a political party is allowed to decide which candidates will be allowed to represent the party. These gentlemen are not banned from running for office should they so desire. They can run for any party they want.

But don't you think it should be up to the members of the party to decide who runs for them?

yes, you are right. SHOULD to be that way as in societies where is hig level of basic democracy. But turn yourself around and tell me WHERE ARE YOU? You expect that manner in LOS? And don't tell me Democrats doing that way(as you said) as Mr.Abhisit reshuffled his Cabinet once, intentionaly get rid of some allies-ecxept Newin's party BJT who just replaced man to man.

Just thoughts. Thailand should to build some more mental hospitals. Some statements in media, public, told me so.

Some are for serious professional observation.

BTW, those cliffs possessed by Cambo troops, is that Thai territory as in OP is told or Cambodian?

I thought Cambodians are not retarded to invade any meter of Thai territory and Thais are not cowards to tolerate occupation of any single meter of their territory.

So, what is the truth now about those cliffs? Cliffs belongs to who?

2011-04-24

"As usual in Thai-Cambodian disputes, each side accused the other of firing first, but witnesses said the heaviest artillery appeared to be fired from the Thai side. Regular intervals of Thai rocket-fire could be heard by Reuters' journalists.

The confrontation comes just a week before Abhisit is expected to dissolve parliament, paving the way for a close election expected by July. Some analysts say the government may be trying to flex its military muscle to score political points.

Others say hawkish Thai generals and their ultra-nationalist allies may be trying to create a pretext for a coup to cancel the elections.

Cambodia's government may also be trying to stir nationalist fervor by starting a conflict to show its army can stand up to its historic rival, or there may have been a simple breakdown in communications at a time of strained relations. There has been little official explanation for the fighting."

http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/wned/news.newsmain/article/0/13/1793406/TOPPING.THE.NEWS/Clashes.erupt.for.third.day.on.Thai-Cambodian.border

Raise the tension within the country, make a few situation in the manner of Goebbels to respond so to create conditions for declaring a state of emergency due to a conflict with Cambodia and then there is no election until the state of emergency. Only one of the options. Possible scenario. Deja Vu.

In fact, you should not judge even about Mr.T(h)aksin, until you tell us here what way his ruling affected your life?

For your information, i can tell how his governing affected my life(his brother in law Somchai) but more than that i can tell how ruling of Democrats affected my life even more.(as they didn't change any idiotic thing what previous Government made toward farangs)

I worked in the telecom industry. I can tell you exactly how that vermin Thaksin affected me and countless others. How he illegally changed the rules to benefit himself, and then funnelled billions of baht into his own pockets at my expense and the expense of countless other innocent citizens. It would be difficult to tally the number of families he destroyed by causing the loss of jobs for ordinary people just trying to get by.

If you benefited from Thaksin then you have done so at the expense of me and others like me, and I spit on you for your malice, theft and vicious support of that criminal thug.

Yes I hate Thaksin. He is a despicable reptile that deserves our utter contempt. And the fact that you accepted his spoils, spoils he stole from me, makes you equally culpable. I can only hope that eventually karma prevails and you are punished for your abhorrent support of that rodent.

You are an obvious example of this as I said, that hate is blocking a clean conscience and sound reasoning and you put me where I don't belong.

Read my words as SOMCHAI, and IDIOTIC(policy toward farangs) of that Government so might be you will understand what i think about that time of his ruling. I am just not blind by hate.

In fact, you should not judge even about Mr.T(h)aksin, until you tell us here what way his ruling affected your life?

For your information, i can tell how his governing affected my life(his brother in law Somchai) but more than that i can tell how ruling of Democrats affected my life even more.(as they didn't change any idiotic thing what previous Government made toward farangs)

I worked in the telecom industry. I can tell you exactly how that vermin Thaksin affected me and countless others. How he illegally changed the rules to benefit himself, and then funnelled billions of baht into his own pockets at my expense and the expense of countless other innocent citizens. It would be difficult to tally the number of families he destroyed by causing the loss of jobs for ordinary people just trying to get by.

If you benefited from Thaksin then you have done so at the expense of me and others like me, and I spit on you for your malice, theft and vicious support of that criminal thug.

Yes I hate Thaksin. He is a despicable reptile that deserves our utter contempt. And the fact that you accepted his spoils, spoils he stole from me, makes you equally culpable. I can only hope that eventually karma prevails and you are punished for your abhorrent support of that rodent.

Read all my post, and don't be ridiculous in qualifying me, as i have nothing with it.

Don't be obtuse, young master Step. Let me spell it out one more time:

A verdict now or later will be regarding the individual called k. Thaksin S. NOT regarding his party PTP. Speculation regarding a dissolution of PTP because of the video speech seems just that: speculation. Please remind me again AFTER the elections. Thanks

You are being quite forgiving about repeating the same thing multiple times, when in my humble opinion the OP is quite clear on the subject that only Thaksin would be at risk for the speech and what the penalty would be for Thaksin.

My hat is off to you!

edit for typo

JD will hat off to somebody here, any reason.

WOW, tomorrow will be a SNOW in Thailand all around and at least 2 meter high.... :cheesy:

The Election Commission has not been able to take legal action against other banned executive members of dissolved parties - such as the banned Thai Rak Thai Party executives and Banharn Silapa-archa of the dissolved Chat Thai Party - due to lack of evidence.

If they don't have enough evidence for Banharn and Newin, then they won't find any evidence of Thaksin's involvement in politics either.

i would have thought a 2 hour video laying out the election policies for a political party might prove to be damning evidence...........

Agreed.

He has handed them the evidence himself.

His arrogance knows no bounds.

Money talks, Animatic. Money talks. That is how the world works.

The question is, how much would you be changed that you are so awfully rich as he is?

What would you do? You wouldn't try to be a chieftain in some banana republic?

You would not be arrogant? Frankly, i doubt so.

"Opportunity makes a thief" is wisdom in my country.

As off topic but in my personal opinion his tragedy(if we agree what happened to him is tragedy)started that moment when he accumulated more money than some people in elites here so he was ousted.

Just slap him with the Bt40,000 fine.

I just wonder. Is that 40 000Bht his ONE dinner or maybe 2 now where he stays.

Probably because he said it was unlikely the PTP might be dissolved referring to article 97 and it's details

Thanks Uncle Rubl for try to clarify this.

Still i think in Article 97 is no any word about responsibility of Party, or penalties for the same body.

Law is an exact science and should be clearly and precisely defined about this things.

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Just BECAUSE article 97 doesn't mention the party, but only the perpetrator it's unlikely PTP will be dissolved because of k. Thaksin's video speech.

As for 'law is an exact science', don't try to make me laugh, young master Step. You may want to have a discussion about law with Robert Amsterdam

:cheesy:

Thanks Uncle Rubl, you make my day now...

Amazing. Yes you are right about that guy but he and quasi lawyers are bad light of profession.

Still i am sure Law is a SCIENCE and skill. At least, it is in ordered societies and developed, democratic countries.

Adage in my country says:"Lawyers, undertakers live a good life based on others' misfortune." So, in USA and UK and Germany, we can find shark lawyers but again it is bad side of an occupation.

Thanks for this joke.

Cheers UR.

As the EC is a bit busy right now (new elections you know) I expect a verdict about the Thaksin video speech and it's possible breach of election laws only AFTER the elections

Mmmmm...very very clever you are UR...

Yes, it is very possible scenario and would be extremely explosive situation, if so.

Yes, after the victory, to eliminate results of election and to go again but without PTP as they would be eliminate based on this violation. Intelligent.

But again, one thing is missing for that scenario.

We don't have anywhere in their Law about responsibility of Party. I couldn't see anywhere in law is told the Party will be dissolved in that case. At least, i could not find anything about it. Any one can help about?

I can understand why T(h)aksin would be punished in case he brake the law but i don't understand based on what PTP might be dissolved?

This article, journalist, cited which Law is possibly broken and penalty from Law but he didn't make the same for possibly dissolving of PTP.

Even if Thaksin violated the election law by acting as party executive member, it is unlikely the Pheu Thai Party would be dissolved.

Article 97 of the Constitution organic law on Political Parties states that banned executive members of any dissolved party are prohibited from becoming executive members of other parties or establishing another party. But the law also stipulates that punishment is for individual guilt, carrying a two year imprisonment or Bt40,000 fine or both.

Why he didn't show here by which Law and Article, PTP might be dissolved?

Probably because he said it was unlikely the PTP might be dissolved referring to article 97 and it's details

Thanks Uncle Rubl for try to clarify this.

Still i think in Article 97 is no any word about responsibility of Party, or penalties for the same body.

Law is an exact science and should be clearly and precisely defined about this things.

There should not be any space for maneuver or guessing and ambiguity.

In this mess that would be very wrong if there is any space in law for speculation and political struggle(could it be more?).

To feel free to interpret freely and speculate, what we do now, may be the ideal opportunity for political conflicts and neutralizing political opponents.

That would not be for the first time, right?

The Election Commission has not been able to take legal action against other banned executive members of dissolved parties - such as the banned Thai Rak Thai Party executives and Banharn Silapa-archa of the dissolved Chat Thai Party - due to lack of evidence.

If they don't have enough evidence for Banharn and Newin, then they won't find any evidence of Thaksin's involvement in politics either.

I am not too sure about that. While Newin and Banharn obviously meddle they keep a lower profile, more in the manner of a consultant than a ruler

This does add another potential jail term to the growing list of punishable offenses committed by Thaksin.

"In the manner of consultant" .... .... Are you talking about Newin as a consultant and "lower profile" player? Well, this is something very new for any one who understand WHO IS WHO in Thai politic life. Newin lower profile player. Yeah, sure hi is...

Profile, lower or not, is irrelevant.

BTW, when you are in the jungle, it's easier to spot the moves of crocodile than snake, so you could save your @ss right on time...

I can understand why T(h)aksin would be punished in case he brake the law but i don't understand based on what PTP might be dissolved?

This article, journalist, cited which Law is possibly broken and penalty from Law but he didn't make the same for possibly dissolving of PTP.

Even if Thaksin violated the election law by acting as party executive member, it is unlikely the Pheu Thai Party would be dissolved.

Article 97 of the Constitution organic law on Political Parties states that banned executive members of any dissolved party are prohibited from becoming executive members of other parties or establishing another party. But the law also stipulates that punishment is for individual guilt, carrying a two year imprisonment or Bt40,000 fine or both.

Why he didn't show here by which Law and Article, PTP might be dissolved?