BRichards

It is right in front of your face. If this is not a joke then I will suggest you keep her as a internet friend only. Internet friend meaning a fantasy friend and not a real one. In no way does she respect or want to love you. In most cases around Asia there is no such think of Love between a man and woman. there might be real love between her and her baby. What she is after should be easily noticed as what you are after which she knows exactly what you want. She knows you want sex from a teen looking girl and that you will work all your life for it. If you value and love yourself dont move forwards, your time is equally valued as her time so always go Dutch on dates such as: you pay one or two times and a ethical educated woman will pay the third time.

I would suggest you use organic toys such as: cucumbers, bananas, pears and grapes. They work and you can eat them afterwards.

There are many insurance companies and which works and doesnt work and which works quickly and which doesnt can be a hit or miss. I dont have the money nor the time to waste. When I moved to Hong Kong I was lead to ask some insurance brokers for their expertise in dealing with the multitude of insurance companies. I went with talked to Globalsurance and pacific prime and they both gave me a lot of help especially in dealing with an insurance plan that offered a good dental coverage.

First of five months is like one day in a long relationship. Five months and you both already broke up many times> But you said you dont argue? Doesnt cheat? too early to tell and you trust haha we all did at 5 months. Special not at all no woman is special or different you will see in one year. BR

If he stood next to the lady being served and was able to place his own order at the same time,that means there was a servant available,means that you in fact were toooooo sloooooow with placing your order.

Many servers tend to ignore the foreigners and deal with the people that they can speak thai or in my case in Hong Kong cantonese. The servers will actually look at me then say something to people behind me then make a transaction with the person behind me. Old ladies will push and shove to get ahead of me and treat me like I am not there or even worse that I am there but not care.

They do the same in China and Hong Kong

At last after being married for 16 years to an "educated Thai woman" as she so soundly states every other hour...I've come to this conclusion.......

Thai women never marry for love....its security....a farlang/husband falls right below the family dog in the relative tree...they are more concerned about their own health and family issues then yours. If they can't do something they refuse to learn with the common verbiage of....well in Thailand we don't need to do that...we just pay someone to do it....

Thai women are first in line to take credit for anything positive but come up with this BS line...if something goes wrong or you make a mistake...."you can't accept yourself". Lastly they are probably the most class conciseness people in the world...

All and all.....I have to say I fell victim to "Amazing Thailand" just like the famous line from the old movie Animal House...."Face it Flouder, you fked up!"

Last but not least....

Do you know why Farlang husbands to Thai women die first?

Because we want to.....555555

For what its worth!

But there is an awful lot of truth to this...

Can be said about Hong Kong women as well. I learned my lesson when I was in my mid 20's back in Miami. I am enjoying my stay in Asia and now I can really appreciate the women back home because they communicate well, they will communicate they want sex and they need it and not just to please me, they have more confidence. in most cases are independant and will trest me to dinner and many enjoy sports and participate in sport activities. Also most are less worried about what the public will think. BR

Why do men marry down? If you say women marry up meaning they marry men who have more money then why a man with money choose to go out with a uneducated poor person coming from a horrible upbringing? I always focused on marrying equal or up.

Nature. Women want protection, men want to protect, and pass their genes on to the best looking woman they can find. Nature makes men more competitive in that respect - we're testosteroned to the hilt to become breadwinners.

I linked earlier to an article about how out-of-work men are more likely to be divorced, and were also more likely to leave a marriage of their own accord because the natural role of "man as protector" could not be fulfilled while he was unemployed. I expect certain posters here to be upset by nature's rather socially-unacceptable crudeness, but there's no point denying it.

Protect from what another man? Physical protecting? If so he better know how to fight. What if this man is weak but has money then protect a woman from what money, lacking of money? So women are not able to work except in the kitchen? Everything in society has evolved and not really nautre as it was say 50,000 - 1 million years ago. marriage itself is not nature. yes I have read that article on how women cannot be with a man if he loses his job and women well most will not be happy working while her man is not working. That just says how ignorant and selfish people are and how ignorant men are who put self worth in a job.

True again there is nature that we are born with, culture that is pushed onto us and theres ethics and morals. We humans can think and if we cant then we just react to whatever nature tells us to do. Best looking women was a sight in the past for health or to have best looking babies but now that we have science and medicine and pyshcology just cause a woman looks good doesnt mean she has the best genes nor is able to raise a child correctly. if all you do is see a pretty girl then feel you want to mate then go ahead but there are more to life then being a man driven by nature. Marry up for women then means about security but then it has nothing to do with love. Also a man that marries for looks has nothing to do with love. If she gets old she will end up worthless then and if he loses his job he will get stabbed in the back.

Dont not go about helping women. Instead be a good person and not a doormat and go help old ladies.

true in the West most men do earn more then women and in the East they earn a hell of a lot more then women and in most cases in the east the men are like rullers while the women are shaking their butts. In the east the women that do work are well over worked and way underpaid. Most places in the East do not even have a minimum wage. BR

The vast majority of marriages though, are between male and female from similar backgrounds and jobs.

V few are between educated men and women with virtually no education.

What is your point? It does not negate that women marry up, and since they are more likely to be the stay-at-home-parent, they will earn a lot less than their husband in the long run. Divorce is far more likely if the husband loses his job too :- http://www.telegraph...ce-for-men.html - which strongly suggests the tacit agreement in most western marriages is that the man will be the breadwinner.

My point is that women aren't much different around the world and to suggest Thai women are more "money hungry" than western women (which a lot of people suggest in this thread) is pretty racist IMHO.

Why do men marry down? If you say women marry up meaning they marry men who have more money then why a man with money choose to go out with a uneducated poor person coming from a horrible upbringing? I always focused on marrying equal or up. BR

In Thailand at least, I'm fairly sure that the women hit the men just as much as the men hit the women.

It is a different society (more primitive maybe) where violence in relationships is accepted (from either party).

Watch a Thai soap opera with all the screaming abusive women, constantly beating up men. Then remember the many cases of male organs being cut and fed to the dogs.

Female domestic violence is at least as common as violence of males. And that is not only the case in Thailand, but all over the world.

Feminists and their followers have successfully implemented the idea that males are violent and females are not. It is one of the big lies of modern misandry.

Boy’s fuc_k things up. Girl’s are fuc_ked up. That’s the difference. Boys just do damage to your house that you can measure in dollars, like a hurricane. Girls, like, leave scars in your psyche that you find later… That’s the difference between boys and girls. And it becomes the difference between men and women, really. A man will, like, steal your car or burn your house down or beat the shit out of you, but a woman will ruin your fuc_kin’ life. Do you see the difference? Like, a man will cut your arm off and throw it in a river, but he’ll leave you as a human being intact. He won’t fuc_k with who you are. Women are nonviolent, but they will shit inside of your heart.

Family life has been maintained by poverty, and just like every other agrarian economy in the world, ( as Thailand used to be in every part of the country ), having children was regarded as your pension scheme. Now that you can get an actual financial pension scheme in place......the need for big families subsides and the population shrinks......just like the indigenous population of just about every Western economy in the world.

I think you'll find there is more to the traditional concept of extended families than your interesting but ultimately somewhat shallow view of things.

Ever heard of religion? Catholicism hold families together. As does Islam. As does Buddhism.

Capitalism and feminism have paved the way to independence, but thus far they have done little to erode the system of familial Catholic, Islamic and Buddhist values which have been in place for centuries.

The Anglo-Saxon world (ie, Protestants) is of course different.

Religion belongs in the past. You don't need to be religious to be good or successful in a relationship or have a family or anything! I don't have a problem with people who chose to worship a God and hate a Devil, whatever they want to call them and from what part of the world or in what language. These concepts are created by the human race and used to control people. Religion has nothing to do with loving and supporting your family! I'd go further, but there's no point!

True that religion is not needed in a relationship. Honesty, courage, ethics and morals are what is needed. To take responsibility and be self motivated and self controlled. To give without expecting a return will help.

why is it that thai wome are after foreighn men who dont speak nor know their culture? look at the web sites?

The same reason ALL women around the world look for a good provider. There's nothing wrong with that - it's nature. It's like saying "why do men look for good looking women?" - it's nature. We can pretend that we are all noble and marry someone only for their character and kindness, but we all have our conditions that need to be met. I don't see the point in fighting nature - let it out the door, it comes back in through the window.

While your own personal story in the USA sounds healthy and family-friendly, I don't think this is typical where I am from in the UK. There's a lot of people who live alone (with many elderly who live alone too), and there's become an over-reliance on the government, and a whithering of family ties because we are taught that the state - not the family - will look after us. Now I think the west is reaping the consequences - broke governments, people without family support. I think family support too is a part of nature - we naturally cluster into small groups and help each other. It's not natural to have a faceless bureaucracy like a government as your sole means of support.

Nature and human made worlds. In the Wset and now in Asia women are able to be educated and be finacially self supported so educated woman can look for better more importan reasons to fill their inner core qualities. In the West you will not be seeing teenage women with old fat men and in many cases you will see middle age women with teenage boys. Educated and well experienced men who are able to get all kinds of women will realize that a woman you can spend saturdays with will be more helpful and enjoyable then a woman he can spend a friday night with. Nature = animal world and yes we do carry that trait we also have a frontal lobe that in time once mature we can use to make the best long tern choices. I agree with you on the importance of family and support which i mean emotional more then money wise. I guess Uk are different and maybe colder maybe thats why UK men have been rated as the worst lovers that lack emotional care. I didnt say it but it is from a survey that has been going on for over 7 years. If a woman has no education or cannot get a real job that will pay her as a human should be paid then her only way out is finding a meal ticket which will really care for her more then easy sex. if a man cant find quality women due to his lack of inner worth or his harsh demands and he has to find willing partners i hope they can one day learn and find a real partner. We all end up with a partner that has a lot of room to grow because we too have a lot to learn.

Well I don't think you should dismiss our natural tendencies as you do. Nature is not all bad, in fact it's a great teacher, and often it's something we should not fight against, but work with. I don't think someone who is gay should fight his / her nature for example, even if there is pressure in the town where he/she lives to conform to the "human-made world" (the nurture side of the argument). Nature is not all bad, nurture is not all good. In fact, quite often, nurture is simply social engineering - trying to force people into roles they don't want to be part of. I think there's quite a bit of that in the west.

We are all born with natural tendencies and preferences, and I believe the natural differences between men and women are manifested in the different decisions men and women make. In the west, women still marry "up" (i.e. tend to marry men who earn more than they do). You might point out an anecdotal exception or two to this rule, but it's a rule nonetheless. In that sense, Thai women and western women are no different - and in fact, I think generally speaking people ARE the same around the world, it's the CULTURE that is different (an important distinction to make).

Not sure what "study" you read that says UK men are the "worst lovers" (whatever that means) - I don't really understand what that has AT ALL to do with governments chipping away at family life through their policies to make people more reliant on the state (my previous point).

Exactly CULTURE has made humans a bit different and how they see and treat love and humans. Some cultures stay put and try not to adapt while others try to solve certain issues.

Nature and human made worlds. In the Wset and now in Asia women are able to be educated and be finacially self supported so educated woman can look for better more importan reasons to fill their inner core qualities. In the West you will not be seeing teenage women with old fat men and in many cases you will see middle age women with teenage boys. Educated and well experienced men who are able to get all kinds of women will realize that a woman you can spend saturdays with will be more helpful and enjoyable then a woman he can spend a friday night with. Nature = animal world and yes we do carry that trait we also have a frontal lobe that in time once mature we can use to make the best long tern choices. I agree with you on the importance of family and support which i mean emotional more then money wise. I guess Uk are different and maybe colder maybe thats why UK men have been rated as the worst lovers that lack emotional care. I didnt say it but it is from a survey that has been going on for over 7 years. If a woman has no education or cannot get a real job that will pay her as a human should be paid then her only way out is finding a meal ticket which will really care for her more then easy sex. if a man cant find quality women due to his lack of inner worth or his harsh demands and he has to find willing partners i hope they can one day learn and find a real partner. We all end up with a partner that has a lot of room to grow because we too have a lot to learn.

You have completely bought the feminist/PC line.

Well done. Enjoy your 'relationship' as the doormat.

I believe women are no more valuable then men. My thing is as valuable then her thing so I dont have to be the one buying everything to have her attention . I see it as she has to get my attention just as much as I try to grab hers. Personal note aBOUT THAT DOORMAT COMMENT i MARRIED UP AND WITH MY SKILLS AND PERSONALITY SHE PAID THE BILLS and I spent it and it works out great.

why is it that thai wome are after foreighn men who dont speak nor know their culture? look at the web sites?

The same reason ALL women around the world look for a good provider. There's nothing wrong with that - it's nature. It's like saying "why do men look for good looking women?" - it's nature. We can pretend that we are all noble and marry someone only for their character and kindness, but we all have our conditions that need to be met. I don't see the point in fighting nature - let it out the door, it comes back in through the window.

While your own personal story in the USA sounds healthy and family-friendly, I don't think this is typical where I am from in the UK. There's a lot of people who live alone (with many elderly who live alone too), and there's become an over-reliance on the government, and a whithering of family ties because we are taught that the state - not the family - will look after us. Now I think the west is reaping the consequences - broke governments, people without family support. I think family support too is a part of nature - we naturally cluster into small groups and help each other. It's not natural to have a faceless bureaucracy like a government as your sole means of support.

Nature and human made worlds. In the Wset and now in Asia women are able to be educated and be finacially self supported so educated woman can look for better more importan reasons to fill their inner core qualities. In the West you will not be seeing teenage women with old fat men and in many cases you will see middle age women with teenage boys. Educated and well experienced men who are able to get all kinds of women will realize that a woman you can spend saturdays with will be more helpful and enjoyable then a woman he can spend a friday night with. Nature = animal world and yes we do carry that trait we also have a frontal lobe that in time once mature we can use to make the best long tern choices. I agree with you on the importance of family and support which i mean emotional more then money wise. I guess Uk are different and maybe colder maybe thats why UK men have been rated as the worst lovers that lack emotional care. I didnt say it but it is from a survey that has been going on for over 7 years. If a woman has no education or cannot get a real job that will pay her as a human should be paid then her only way out is finding a meal ticket which will really care for her more then easy sex. if a man cant find quality women due to his lack of inner worth or his harsh demands and he has to find willing partners i hope they can one day learn and find a real partner. We all end up with a partner that has a lot of room to grow because we too have a lot to learn.

I can't help but think that the reason is money. In the west most parents would have their own independent source of income such as pension. Thus, no need for monetary support or the kids to look after them. In Thailand the vast majority do not have any income when they get old so they become the responsibility of their children. It makes sens to have your parents to live with you in that scenario as it is cheaper than renting somewhere separate for them. However, there are more than enough Thais who dump their parents leaving the to abject poverty. A dumped parent in the West would still have social security to fall back on.

Sure but isn't this the heart of relationships / family life? That there's a certain amount of dependency on each other. You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. A grandparent might live with her son and his family, but she helps look after the small kid much of the time, and cooks and cleans around the house. That kind of thing. This has been how families have lived for generations.

In the west, we're all taught to be super-independent, but I'm not sure that's the healthiest way to live a life if it means you've either got nobody who can look after you when you really need help (state pension only goes so far, and it doesn't give you the emotional sustenance a family can give you), or you have nobody relying on you. A lot of people would say "I'm glad I have nobody relying on my help" but for many it's actually a satisfying part of life to actually helping others (shock, I know). We're taught to rely on the government to wipe our bottoms and feed us if we need help - again, I don't believe that's the best way to run a society because it means families are less relied-upon. I think the west has been running a kind of socialist experiment (that's been failing) over the last 40 years or so - every individual ultimately relying on big government.

True in the West we are raised to be financially independent but emotionally supported. Once married then in most cases financial can be multiplied. men and women are raised to not depend or trade emotions for money and to rely on themselves but family is still important. Look at the news last holiday in USA at how many people traveled to be with their families.

I disagree with the "emotionally supported" bit - average house occupancy rates are so low in the west when compared to asian countries. You can't really (truly) support someone from a distance in the same way you can offer help if you live under the same roof or nearby - "out of sight, out of mind". In the west, everything is answered by money, not physical support from your nearbyfamily. Need help? Here's some welfare money. It doesn't answer all the needs a human being has in the same way a family can. You just can't replace everything with money. The irony is a lot of farangs are more obsessed with money than Thais - a farang can see a family as a group of individuals who just happen to live under the same roof (and only look after themselves as individuals), not as a "team". You can't bring that mentality to Thailand and not expect trouble.

True again in the West most families (husband, wife and kids) have their own home and their parents have their own home. We also have cars and in many cases we can drive 10 mins to eat dinner with family members everyday. We also have neighbors come over on the weekends and also have neighborhood cook outs so thats support. During the week we will have 5 kids hang out with the kids and sometimes my kids go over there. In USA it is made of of all the cultures in the world so in Miami we have many Latins (spanish people as I am) and we build a house on or property for our parents and some build a second floor for their parent to live and take care of the kids. Yes in USA and the West many do have to move to get more work opportunities but in most cases a week off from work will mean a trip back home to family. yes in the West the government do help their citizens so the government gives money and health care and provide free food too so the government does what it cans. farangs have jobs and in many cases the Thai women are not after Thai men for a certain reason by the way. why is it that thai wome are after foreighn men who dont speak nor know their culture? look at the web sites?

I can't help but think that the reason is money. In the west most parents would have their own independent source of income such as pension. Thus, no need for monetary support or the kids to look after them. In Thailand the vast majority do not have any income when they get old so they become the responsibility of their children. It makes sens to have your parents to live with you in that scenario as it is cheaper than renting somewhere separate for them. However, there are more than enough Thais who dump their parents leaving the to abject poverty. A dumped parent in the West would still have social security to fall back on.

Sure but isn't this the heart of relationships / family life? That there's a certain amount of dependency on each other. You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. A grandparent might live with her son and his family, but she helps look after the small kid much of the time, and cooks and cleans around the house. That kind of thing. This has been how families have lived for generations.

In the west, we're all taught to be super-independent, but I'm not sure that's the healthiest way to live a life if it means you've either got nobody who can look after you when you really need help (state pension only goes so far, and it doesn't give you the emotional sustenance a family can give you), or you have nobody relying on you. A lot of people would say "I'm glad I have nobody relying on my help" but for many it's actually a satisfying part of life to actually helping others (shock, I know). We're taught to rely on the government to wipe our bottoms and feed us if we need help - again, I don't believe that's the best way to run a society because it means families are less relied-upon. I think the west has been running a kind of socialist experiment (that's been failing) over the last 40 years or so - every individual ultimately relying on big government.

True in the West we are raised to be financially independent but emotionally supported. Once married then in most cases financial can be multiplied. men and women are raised to not depend or trade emotions for money and to rely on themselves but family is still important. Look at the news last holiday in USA at how many people traveled to be with their families.

Sex is the only vital part of the equation, anything else is a bonus.

You need to work on your self-esteem, bro. You sound sad, desperate and a bit depressed.

I've also detected hints of envy in your comments.

Change your life. Work on your appearance.

You're on a miserable road to nowhere.

I have a beautiful young g/f, new baby, nice house, large trust fund, full hair, no beer belly, no tattoos.

What is it that you detect I envy?

Nothing to envy, wish you luck in your future experiences and challenges. been there and going through more as I write. When you have what you want why envy others who are trying to get it? Seems it is all new for you. BR

Your friend is a common fool. Most men have been at one time. Culture is at play one blending with another like oil and . BR

I have worked in a doctors office and I have been married to a medical doctor for over fifteen years in USA and it was very common and normal for a nurse to be present. Either way the doctor will inform everything that you told him during and after you have left the office. BR

Stupidity and ignorance is a world wide issue. We are all ignorant and stupid in certain areas in life. BR

Not always the case. I asked a very well traveled Thai ex if she thought about coming to Australia to live and she said no because people would assume she was a hooker she also said western men are easy to control in Thailand

Control with what? Heart, brain, Sexual organs?

I would imagine that she means most farangs don't speak Thai well, don't know the system, and are generally pretty helpless in Thailand, as compared to how they would be back in their homeland.

You nailed it, Just like men some women prefer to be in control and it is kind of nice to just relax and have the girl take care of everything Thai. Throw sex into the mix and you have one happy chappy = is this love? LOL

That mix can work for a long time and in most cases that will be considered a happy situation but doesnt mean it will be love.