thaigolfer

Djeez, get real will you.

Thailand has DOUBLE the murder rate with guns than the States.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms

And this are the recorded ones.

RIP to the lady and to so many others.

Sorry Uptheos but I have negative experiences with them as well. And a few ones.

Never again.

My one liter bottles of Vodka and 100 Pipers were just as the originals. The alcohol inside, however, was 100 % FAKE: it was cheap Lao Kaw.

The only real thing in Tachikek is probably the 500 Baht note I leave at immigration.

To be AVOIDED

Told you before: not one error to spot on the bottle, label or seal that could lead to fake content.

Everything perfect just filled with Lao Kaw or rice alcohol.

Beware for the Vodka Smirnoff 1 liter 40% in Thachilek.

you will likely be safe buying spirits from a liquor selling store. i would not buy from a street vendor.

I guess the big duty free shop in between the two immigration points is a liquor shop.... hm hm...... no?

And I can testify now it is all FAKE.

I bought a 1 liter Vodka Smirnoff 21 bottle for 370 Baht at the shop between the two immigration's.

Coming home I compared it with an original bottle and the Tachilek bottle was Ok, 100 % the same. As for the content, however, completely different story. After opening the bottle I noticed a terrible methanol smell. The taste was horrible.

I asked 3 friends to do a smell and taste test (comparing the 2 bottles) and all said the same: the bottle bought in Mae Sai was fake 1.000%.

I went to the barman at a big Chiang Mai hotel with the bottle and he told me it was Lao Kaw (rice whiskey).

Price of Lao Kaw is 55 Baht/liter ! This is NOT coming from Singapore as they suggest but straight from China I think.

As for the 100 pipers I bought, I still have to smell and taste but afraid to have the same result.

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@  OzGolferInCM

Thaigolfer, if you ever are not so obnoxious and soaggressive, I am sure there is room for compromise. Life is too short. Maybesomeday we will look back, laugh and play the last 4-5 holes in together.

Perhaps we can even match skills, if you don't mind such"easy pickins".

This sounds much better already. We (will play a 3-ball) will be there on Monday (if the weather is decent). If we play faster, get stuck behind, and nobody in front of you, just let us go. We can be the best friends.

I think, one day, somewhere, we own each other a beer. I hope your friend can say sorry by that time.

BTW; I have learned more about golfers in 2 days Thaivisa then in all my rounds on the course together.Thanks to your 5-ball. It was for sure an enlightening experience.

Bye bye Thaivisa, I might not look at you for a while.

As a golfer I would like to respond to all of this none sense with a couple of points to this thread. And yes I do not try to put up my count but do receive all emails alerts and read everyday!

Golf is supposed to be played "in the spirit of the game" (R & A 2008 – 2011 Rules of Golf – section 1 page 26 ) The game relies on the integrity of the individual to show consideration for other players and abide by the rules.  All players should conduct themselves in a disciplined manner, demonstrating courtesy and sportsmanship at all times, irrespective of how competitive they may be.

Safety – Players should not play until the players in front are out of range.

No disturbance or distraction – Players should always show consideration for other players on the course and should not disturb their play by moving, talking or making unnecessary noise.

Priority on the course – Unless otherwise determined by the committee, priority on the course is determined by a group's pace of play. Any group playing a whole round is entitled to pass a group playing a shorter round. The "term" group includes a single player.

Slow play – It is the responsibility to keep up with the group in front. If it losers a clear hole and it is delaying the group behind, it should invite the group behind to play through irrespective of the number of the players in that group.

1.       Firstly Mr golfer I feel you are not telling the whole truth – are you?

2.       Why do try to infer you are Thai – when you are clearly NOT – what nationality are you? Heck it must be catching I sound like you now – asking questions!

3.       If you have been playing for 30 years you should show more consideration

4.       The group on the first occasion did recognize you URGENCY to proceed and did invite you to play through

5.       The man walking across the fairway was attempting to get out of the way and I don't understand why a player has to stand on the left hand side of the fairway, even if that is where his ball is. He has admitted he is an older gentleman and I do not feel that it took 20 seconds for anyone playing golf to walk 70 yds – statistically he would he to be using a zimmer frame and each pace of over 3 seconds – ha ha ha – ridiculous!

6.       If that was your first bad shot of the day – well done you exceed us all and some of the professionals and we should be watching you on the television – NOT!

7.       Who really cares what tee you were playing off!!

8.       Why did you walk up to the group on the 17^th tee – whilst they were teeing off and started to speak – of course there was no comment they were teeing off!!

9.       You asked if you could finish the last two holes together and the answer was NO – what is wrong with that??? - they were clearly playing a game together – DO YOU ALWAYS GET YOUR OWN WAY – I WONDER?

10.   As pointed out and you have not disagreed – they were following a 5 ball and were keeping up with the pace of play in front – THEY DO NOT have to invite you to play through – however you didn't want to play through you wanted to join

11.   Who are you to approach anyone and ask for names?????? – was there an accident?

12.   "Those big courageous farangs" – very aggressive talk! Do you think that by not entertaining your stupid questions they were being REAL GENTLEMEN and diffusing the situation?

13.   Did you really speak to the caddies – TELL THE TRUTH! Ha ha ha I think ridiculous – if there was such a big problem to you why didn't you talk to the MANAGEMENT or the starter! I wonder???? The caddies cannot do anything!

14.   It was your pride that was hurt because of YOUR attitude that they didn't want you to play with them.

15.   BTW; when you notice I am ready to hit and all of your  5 ball waived me to play, YOU NOT START CROSSING THE FAIRWAY ANYMORE. You just wait on the left side where you were, until I finish my shot. Capito? - Heck! are you shouting here - YOU NOT START CROSSING THE FAIRWAY ANYMORE – sounds like a threat and to tell someone to stand in any spot – again I wonder if you are the police, or just an aggressive, arrogant person who has to have his own way?

16.   If you are a real calm stand up pillar of the community who is caring and considerate to others and just had a BAD DAY! We all have them.

17.   Sounds like – someone has spat their dummy out! – had their toy taken off them – dropped their teddy out of the pram!

18.   The 19^th hole is open to everyone – there is no problem with anyone having a beer after a round of golf! THOUSANDS DO!

19.   To the very stupid uploaded comments re: send a zinger over their heads – just play through them – just hit the ball – what absolute stupidity!!!!! Safety at all times

20.   Really loved the youtube video – made me laugh!

Further observation to all the threads I read daily – WHAT difference does it make to anyone if they have only 1 post as long as it benefits all who read it – there is NO POINT in posting one or two word idiotic comments just to put up your count, who really cares if you want to be a super super super grandfather member (must be a face thing) – benefit us all with some intelligent comments!

Have a good day – Gentlemen!!

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@ rich54321

Ok, Mister “rich54321”, I will try to answer until I gettired of it. I spent more time in front of my PC since I signed up Thaivisa 2days ago, as normally in a whole month.

You never know who posts so it might be, you are one of the5-ball, trying to defend their actions. I don’t know.

-Golf is supposed to be played “in the spirit of thegame” (R & A 2008 – 2011 Rules of Golf – section 1 page 26 ) The gamerelies on the integrity of the individual to show consideration for otherplayers and abide by the rules. All players should conduct themselves in adisciplined manner, demonstrating courtesy and sportsmanship at all times,irrespective of how competitive they may be

That’s the reason I posted the OP.

-Safety – Players should not play until the players infront are out of range.

That’s why I did not played and had to wait, being ready tohit, for 20 seconds.

-No disturbance or distraction – Players should alwaysshow consideration for other players on the course and should not disturb theirplay by moving, talking or making unnecessary noise.

“Skill32” started moving by crossing the fairway very slowly(at half the pace of a slow Thai player) while pretentious and provocative lookingat me, when the others waived me to hit and I was ready to do so.

-Priority on the course – Unless otherwise determined bythe committee, priority on the course is determined by a group’s pace of play.Any group playing a whole round is entitled to pass a group playing a shorterround. The “term” group includes a single player.

I was behind the 5-ball from the 10 th on. First waiting anddistract myself a bit but as they moved on so slowly, I decided to ask to playtrough as nobody was in front of them.

-Slow play – It is the responsibility to keep up with thegroup in front. If it losers a clear hole and it is delaying the group behind,it should invite the group behind to play through irrespective of the number ofthe players in that group.

They didn’t catch up with the group in front as there was agap of 3 holes in between. They did not invite me to play trough; I had to makea sign to request permission from them.

-1. Firstly Mr golfer I feel you are not telling thewhole truth – are you?

Why you think you feel I am not telling the truth? I have noreason at all by not telling the truth. Of course I am telling the truth anddozens of golfers in CM know me as an honest and respectful man. I wanted topost what happened on the course only and was hoping some people would realizethey not alone on the course and have to respect others. It was hope only; I realizeafter reading most of the posts, it will not happen.

-2. Why do try to infer you are Thai – when you areclearly NOT – what nationality are you? Heck it must be catching I sound likeyou now – asking questions!

I never intended to be Thai! Where do you get that? I had tofind a name while signing up at Thaivisa and Thaigolfer was coming in my head. Doyou think Thaivisa is managed by Thai? I live in Thailand for many months ayear so, why not? I don’t understand your comment on this. I come from a countrywhere we speak a completely different language and not too many of us are inThailand. Many of the posters here will know me immediately and this topic is becomingout of control. So, you have to search my posts and think.

-3. If you have been playing for 30 years you should showmore consideration

Why? What has the 30 years to do with it? They are holdingme up for 1 hour and have to let me play trough if they play with the rightspirit. Everybody playing golf knows that. The second time, I ask to join whichis fully normal. They refuse which is not normal. Everybody playing golf knowthat as well.

-4. The group on the first occasion did recognize youURGENCY to proceed and did invite you to play through

The 5-ball on the first occasion is of course the same asthe 4-ball on the second. Only one player less. I had to ask for permissionafter being 1 hour behind.

-5. The man walking across the fairway was attempting toget out of the way and I don’t understand why a player has to stand on the lefthand side of the fairway, even if that is where his ball is. He has admitted heis an older gentleman and I do not feel that it took 20 seconds for anyoneplaying golf to walk 70 yds – statistically he would he to be using a zimmerframe and each pace of over 3 seconds – ha ha ha – ridiculous!

He was NOT attempting to get out of the way at all. He wasstanding on the left of the fairway while all waived me to hit my shot. Youstand somewhere on the course, right? So he was standing at that moment at theleft. He not HAS to stand there. It just happens you are there at thatparticular moment in time. By then only (when I had to hit my shot) he started walking(instead of waiting until I finish my shot) at the pace I told you, andcrossing the fairway from left to right. It is not that difficult to understandif you want to understand of course. If this sounds ridiculous to you, then youare not a golfer I guess.

-6. If that was your first bad shot of the day – welldone you exceed us all and some of the professionals and we should be watchingyou on the television – NOT!

Yes, sometimes I play well and I defeat pro’s already. Itold you ‘sometimes”, OK.

-7. Who really cares what tee you were playing off!!

Nobody but I stand behind them on the tee-off so they HAVEto see me.

-8. Why did you walk up to the group on the 17th tee –whilst they were teeing off and started to speak – of course there was nocomment they were teeing off!!

They were standing on the tee-off but not ready to play. Theyhad a chat together when I arrived. I would never say something approaching atee while people playing. I said “Good afternoon young man”. No comment cameand also no comment when I asked to finish the last 2 holes together. There wasa group in front of them so I could not ask to play trough on this occasion.This situation was different as the week before they had nobody in front.

-9. You asked if you could finish the last two holestogether and the answer was NO – what is wrong with that??? - they were clearlyplaying a game together – DO YOU ALWAYS GET YOUR OWN WAY – I WONDER?

They do what they want of course, but it is completely againstall spirits, fair play and etiquette of golf. Many times, being in a 3 or4-ball even Thai people will ask to finish together if there is a group just infront, even if they are in a 4-5-6 ball. Yes, they were playing a gametogether; but you mean, when you play a game together, you don’t have torespect anything anymore? Strange thinking.

-10. As pointed out and you have not disagreed – theywere following a 5 ball and were keeping up with the pace of play in front –THEY DO NOT have to invite you to play through – however you didn’t want toplay through you wanted to join

2 weeks and 2 different situations. First week; they play a 5-ball,1 hour behind them, a gap of 3 holes in front of them, ask to play trough a fewtimes.  Second week; they play a 4-ball,standing together on the tee-off 17th, Thai 4-ball in front of them, 2 holes toplay, starts raining, ask to finish together.

-11. Who are you to approach anyone and ask fornames?????? – was there an accident?

We met, once again, at the 18^th after I finishedthe 17^th. My wife was really shocked because she thinks that all “farangs”are better than Thai. We had 2 weeks in a row problem with them. The first weekhaving a caddy, the second week not. I told them I would post some comments onthe net as they behave no good. I told dozens of golfers about this already and95% agree with me. 5% have no opinion (don’t want to have an opinion). So,after announcing them my own name I asked for a name of them. Nothing wrong tome with that. Every time I go out, people have been asking for my name, everytime they get my name. Why not? Oh yes, when you have something to hide may be?When you did something wrong may be?

-13. Did you really speak to the caddies – TELL THETRUTH! Ha ha ha I think ridiculous – if there was such a big problem to you whydidn’t you talk to the MANAGEMENT or the starter! I wonder???? The caddiescannot do anything!

You think the starter will do something in Thailand? Come on…..The management is never around at Gassan. At the good courses in the US yes.Going to the starter there they would have no excuse anymore. The first week hewould told them already long time to move on and let me play trough. The secondweek he would have told them “If he cannot finish the last two holes with you,being behind a 4-ball, you cannot play anymore, go home and never come back.Finish. I lived near some of the best courses and I know what I am talkingabout; they NOT laughing with slow play or playing against the etiquette.

-14. It was your pride that was hurt because of YOURattitude that they didn’t want you to play with them.

Hahaha, time to stop, I am really tired of this.

-15. BTW; when you notice I am ready to hit and all ofyour 5 ball waived me to play, YOU NOT START CROSSING THE FAIRWAY ANYMORE. Youjust wait on the left side where you were, until I finish my shot. Capito? -Heck! are you shouting here - YOU NOT START CROSSING THE FAIRWAY ANYMORE –sounds like a threat and to tell someone to stand in any spot – again I wonderif you are the police, or just an aggressive, arrogant person who has to havehis own way?

Sir, with all my respects but I think you are NOT a golfer. However,If you really are, you better should play a 6-ball with them.

Bye bye and have a nice weekend.

@ skills32

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Oh and one more thing THAIGOLFER could you tell me why you don't use the caddies at Gasson Lakes or would you like ME to tell the forum?

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Yes please, YOU tell the forum. We all waiting for it. However don't wait too long as people might think you need time to find another excuse.

BTW; when you notice I am ready to hit and all of your 5 ball waived me to play, YOU NOT START CROSSING THE FAIRWAY ANYMORE. You just wait on the left side where you were, until I finish my shot. Capito? 

Not at me to apologize my friend, I am still waiting for it despite you closed "the matter already". 

Well if I were incensed enough to write and whinge to a forum then certainly I would have laid a complaint with the course management, unless I had a prior history of unsubstantiated whinging to the same establishment.

And seeing as how I had already paid the caddy fee I would certainly have used their services unless they wouldn't work for me.

Enough is enough, you are causing yourself grief and wasting my time. All you are doing is providing the whole of Thailand with an amusing diversion.If you are happy to do that fine but don't drag me into your perverse pleasures.

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This is disgusting man. Of course I knew you would come up with something like this as, on the course, you showed us your characters in detail already.Apparently your age did not bring you wisdom. I can stand many things and I am patient but a continual reversed attitude like this, is too far over the imaginary" line".

Yet, it was very simple; the caddies were all gone (caddy MOT)! Recently many caddies left Gassan. If you would be interested a bit in the world around you, you would know that the caddies are having a hard time at Gassan. From the 200 Baht you have to pay, 150 Baht only goes to them. This fee has not been paid out for months, some caddies waiting for almost a year. They are blocked between hammer and anvil; if they leave, they will never see their money. I suggested a few times to pay the caddy-fee to the lady directly but that has been refused.

Did you go to Gassan Marina lately? They even have no caddies anymore. If a customer shows up, they have to drive over the Gassan Lake caddies. 

It seems that no apologizes are coming anymore. You had the chance on the course and I gave you chances on the net to do it. It just confirms your"spirit" and incorrect behavior on the course.

3 flights like yours on the course and it ruins the pleasure and game of dozen other golfers!

I thank all people whom send a personal message to me and support my case. If all would be like you, golf would be much more fun in Thailand(Chiang Mai). Unfortunately, there will be always unruly people around, whether it being on Thaivisa, the course or somewhere else.

@ skills32

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Oh and one more thing THAIGOLFER could you tell me why you don't use the caddies at Gasson Lakes or would you like ME to tell the forum?

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Yes please, YOU tell the forum. We all waiting for it. However don't wait too long as people might think you need time to find another excuse.

BTW; when you notice I am ready to hit and all of your 5 ball waived me to play, YOU NOT START CROSSING THE FAIRWAY ANYMORE. You just wait on the left side where you were, until I finish my shot. Capito? 

Not at me to apologize my friend, I am still waiting for it despite you closed "the matter already". 

@ cardinalblue

@ CobraSnakeNecktie

 There is no rule says you have to be gentlemen in agentlemen sport. More important is to show rule knowledge and etiquette. Youseem to wnat to enage them maybe even confront them for their poor play? Justbecause you are a better golfer, you seem to criticize their golfingabilities...

 Just avoid them next time rather than tell them you aregoing to make it public and asking for ID....What were you trying toaccomplish?

 I was struck by the same thing. The OP talks about'Farang' like he does not think of himself as one but then tells us about hisaggressive confrontation with the other golfers

 Hello, hello... to both of you; don't twist things aroundand don't throw events in your posts that never occurred. Read the posts andstay with those facts please. There is wind enough already.

I would like to make some things clear:

-I never posted before on Thaivisa; I visit it a few times aweek yes, but I never felt I had to do more. My Thai wife insisted to dosomething as she was shocked by the "farang" behavior for 2 weeks in a row.With all other replies to my post, I have nothing to do, despite someonesuggest. I post as Thaigolfer only.

I have to thank all whom are polite, friendly, know therules of golf and fairplay (in short some kind of gentleman and that's whatgolf is about), and support my view. That keeps me / us? golfing.

-@ skills32.

 I would like to tellyou: if you started with an excuse, I would accept and understand. First youhave to tell about the week before also; YOU WERE 5 and I was behind your5-ball waiting on every tee and fairway. You know that very well as I made afew times a sign but got ignored by all of you for 4/5 holes. THERE WAS NOBODYIN FRONT OF YOU. While you were playing the 13^th, the next group wason the 16^TH! Tell me what my behavior was? I hit 1 (bad) shot andmoved on to the next hole. I DID'T HOLE OUT THE 13^th. We were evenrunning to clear the fairway for you. Many Thai people are laughing when theysee me and say "jai yen yen". It is my habit as I don't want to disturb others.Now, tell me skills32, what is wrong with that?

If you know, and you admit, that I was ready to play and youstill walked pretentious across the fairway in my line for at least 20 seconds,it is even worse that I thought. It shows completely disrespect for otherplayers.

And now back to this week. I was behind you already on the15^th. On the 16^th I waited on the tee-off while youstarted putting/chipping with the pin still in the hole. You know that; thegroup looked at me. I joined you on the tee-off of the 17^th saying "Goodafternoon young men". I DID NOT ASK YOU TO PASS, I ASKED 2 TIMES TO FINISH THELAST 2 HOLES TOGETHER! First time ignored completely, second time, while youall walked away already, a short and dry NO.

Mister skills 32, this is no good behavior on a golf courseand against all spirits and fairplay of golf. Hey Mister skills32, I told you onthe 18^th that we were shocked about your attitude and I would post somewhereon the net. What is wrong with asking where you came from or some names? I toldyou my name, I have nothing to hide nor I did do something wrong on the course.If you are so pretentious and courageous to disturb other players, to show themsuch a disrespect, why not the same attitude in answering 2 easy questions?

The only right thing you can do is apologize, adapt yourgame in function of others, enjoy and move on.

It is up to you, we will meet again for sure. As I saidbefore, being a macho is not for your age anymore.

PS.: why should I tee-off at 06am in the morning? If allrespect the rules and fairplay, there is room for everybody to be happy. Andyes, I am patient but with limits. And I understand others but with limits aswell.

@ Lain

Normally I play with friends (never a 5 ball) but once a week I like to test new things. Nobody thinks the same and I can live with that however, when I feel a single golfer has to wait for us, I ALWAYS ask my friends to let him play trough. And they always agree. Doing so we / I never had problems in playing golf for almost 30 years. Not with ourselves and not with other golfers. Believe me Lain, I prefer that. What happened last week and today, neither I nor them like that. I am almost sure. So, what is the best?

Last week I was playing golf at Gassan Lake City. I was stuck behind a "farang" 5-ball for many holes. They clearly saw me waiting all time. In addition, for 4-5 holes long, they did not show me one single decent shot to entertain me. Finally at hole 13, and after most of their shots went in to the water / jungle, they waived me to play. Being on the tee-off for a while, I was ready to play, if not one of them crossed the fairway from left to right. He walked very slowly and stoicijns like he not agreed with his friends to let me go ahead. It took at least 20 seconds for him to walk the 70/80 yards from one side to the other while he looked at me a few times. I could only wait until he cleared the fairway.

I hit my first bad shot of the day, being 5 over par at that point from the back-tees. When catching up with them, I told them it makes no sense if they waive me to play while one of them starts crossing slowly the fairway when I am ready to play. They replied that that man not hears very well!

I did what I always do, as I don't want to disturb the others; I moved on to the next tee-off so they could finish the hole at their tempo. I did not hole the 13th out.

Today Thursday, I played Gassan Lakes one more time and again I found myself stuck behind them (4-ball this time). While they were teeing off at the 17^th, I joined them by saying "Good afternoon young men". No comment... I asked them if I could finish the last two holes with them. No answer… Having played their shots, they walked away saying nothing. I requested once more to finish the last 2 holes together however, one of them replied in short, NO.

My Thai wife, with me, was shocked as she thinks "farangs" act like gentlemen. We would expect this behavior from Thai on the course at Hang Dong f.e. but not from "farang" at Gassan.

Needless to say they ruined my game again. I was 1 over at the back nine coming on the 17th.

Their balls flew all lovely directions and I had to wait 20 more minutes on the tee while it started raining.

Joining them on the 18^th for a second time, I asked which country they were from as I told them I would put a comment on the net. One said "from everywhere" citing a few countries. Announcing them my own name, I asked for some of their names. No answer. Those big courageous farangs forgot their names and where they were born. Maybe, I don't know, they even not have a license to play in their own countries but act here as the heroes towards their partners and caddies. Shame on you.

One said to me "we having a good time with our group"! How can you have a good time by not hitting one good shot (at least the shots when I was behind and waiting) and in particular annoying the people behind you for a long time? I cannot and I don't get it. Just let people who play faster go ahead and play your own game. Then you can have a good time. Maybe their good "golf"-time consists more of the caddies or the beer after? Who knows? Another one aggressively said something unpleasant to me.

My wife still cannot believe that farangs can be so nasty and so do the caddies we spoke to later on. What is wrong with finishing the two last holes together?

Sure, we will meet again as; apparently we play the same course the same day.

I do hope, next time, they will show more gentlemen-behavior and if they read this post, remember;

That "macho" thing doesn't suit old folks like you anymore