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  1. Why didn't the government organise the money for payments BEFORE they called an election? It's not like they didn't know they would need it. A lot of it was due in October.

    If they pay the farmers now, so close to Feb 2nd, it would be deemed as vote buying.

    Yes. So why didn't the organise it BEFORE they called an election?

    one would guess that they didn't realise there would be an issue with trying to pay while in caretaker mode..speculation

    Your guess may be correct. But if so this caretaker government is shockingly incompetent and should surely step down.

    That's without giving any credence to the charges of corruption and vote manipulation (in parliament) that some have already been charged with.

  2. I like the way the report said 'Trang' number plates.

    It is almost like the car was deliberately taken to be abandoned as some form of 'suggestion'.

    It's a pity the police got the girl, now everything will be twisted and distorted. If she is a red shirt, she will be released and that is the last anyone will hear about it. Same as all the other arrests.

    This is why the army need to push out the police and do the job themselves and maybe we will get results, but more importantly, explanations.

    Strangely enough this was reported a little differently in another media.

    The police apparently found a black car with bullet holes on it's right side and near the number plate. I wonder if the Honda Civic is black with Trang plates or a car that had been shot at.

    Anyway a great relief that the police are so certain that the shooters are drug dealers or car thieves and not political hoodlums trying to injure and kill their political opponents. whistling.gif

  3. Hi guys, heard the culprit for the bombing at the victory monument has been csi out. Anyone has other info to share as well.

    Informer said Inside the photo the guy highly match with the suspect identity, info is that guy's brother is a red shirt and used to come out in the protest in 2010. And his brother is already dead. And now this guy is working for Ko tee.

    Anyone has other info as well. Good to know. Thanks...

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=498808716897292&set=a.425132790931552.1073741843.412682772176554&type=1&theater

    Heard is obviously not the same as confirmed, but I would be interested if this is substantiated by any 'reliable' source, before spreading this 'news' further.

    If this allegation is without substance, the result could be tragic.

  4. So this security guard happened to 'own' a room in a derelict building, where weapons were found that mysteriously transformed into plastic BB guns without triggers and a bunch of police radios.

    They weren't mysteriously transformed into BB guns. You can see the batteries for them on the photos from the yellow shirt photo-op.

    I don't see any point in getting into a tit-for-tat on here, enough others occupied with that, but your faith in the RTP is admirable.

  5. Lot of smears againts this movement, so it must be on to something.

    Need not be shy of coming out to support something as worthy as this. Am trying to see if there are core leaders forming yet around any future aims and objectives.

    Lets hope so.

    So the headline in another Thai newspaper (14 January 2014) 'UDD rebrands' was anti-government propaganda?

    And Tida red-shirt Tawornseth telling the faithful to adopt white as their colour, light candles and denounce the idea of a coup, was in fact someone totally different?

    Sorry, but the white-shirts are already part of the game, though many of them might not know it.

    Just imagine that a man was so desperate to re-gain power, that he'd chance politically sacrificing his own sister, use and abuse his own supporters, create another seemingly innocent group, and just maybe employ (naval) personnel to carry out lethal attacks against his opponents, all to muddy the waters and create enough confusion and force a reluctant army to take action. If/when the elections fail and the army is forced to take responsibility, of course any and all charges of corruption and mismanagement can be discounted as politically motivated, as before, and the whole damn circus just keeps on going.

    Please note that I am not claiming my supposition as fact, but when facts are so hard to come by, just a little exercise in imaginative analysis of political manipulation.

  6. While everyone is busy batting each other on the head with their pet conspiracy theories, does no one find the statement from Pol.Maj.Gen.Kamrop a little strange?

    As for the arsenal where the weapons were allegedly found, Pol.Maj.Gen. Kamrop Panyakaew, chief of the forensic police department, said that the room was owned by a security guard who worked for Chulalongkorn University.

    The owner of the room told police that he did not know anything about the weapons PCAD guards reportedly discovered there, according to Pol.Maj.Gen. Kamrop. He said the room owner only acknowledged the radio equipment and red hat as his possessions.

    So this security guard happened to 'own' a room in a derelict building, where weapons were found that mysteriously transformed into plastic BB guns without triggers and a bunch of police radios. Well thank goodness this security guard is such an upstanding citizen, that the RTP have no suspicions about him. But of course the driver of the 'bombed' pick-up, who reacted by running into the derelict building, searching (rightly or wrongly)for the person who tossed the grenade, is some kind of suspect?

    Only in Thailand.

  7. Just maybe this is the start of a political party/ movement that has the moral/ethical authority to reform politics in

    Thailand and weed out the corruption. Certainly the two main protagonist groups don't. It seems Thais are ready

    for change. At least the middle guys are, the small business owners that get squeezed by the Bib and government

    bureaucracies and don't benefit from big government projects.

    While I empathise with your desire to see a new party or movement, to provide a third way, and allow some movement away from the Thaksin/Suthep showdown, I have grave doubts about the sincerity of these 'white-shirts'.

    Transliterating (not quoting, with all respect for Thaivisa's rules) from a report in another news source ....

    The red-shirt UDD earlier called on it's members to adopt white as their colour to oppose a coup, light candles and speak out against a coup.

    So, while a new, moderate group should be welcomed, I am afraid that this lot have already, willingly or not, been co-opted by the Thaksin camp.

  8. "Police told to take action against hardcore Red Shirt elements"....This headline implies a multitude, then when reading the article, it references one guy by the name of Ko Tee....These protesters really need to have an attack by Red Shirts. If they can find anything remotely connected, they will magnify it....... "More than 30 people were injured as attackers hurled bombs at protesters..."...This quote implies facts that don't match what is currently circulating on the Internet and Social media. That being video's of the so-called hurled bombs came from within the protesters procession. The video clearly shows that the so-called 'bomb' was not against Suthep's procession, but from within it...It shows a bomb being lobbed from the back of one of the pick-ups in the procession.

    I have looked at that video time and time again, yet I still cannot see that the grenade was thrown from the back of the pick-up. Could you perhaps link to a slow-motion video that supports your claims?

    This fact and video's that seem to be everywhere is an inconvenient reality for these coup-mongers, who need to have confrontation and to be attacked by forces outside themselves

    If 'these coup-mongers' really need to be attacked by outside forces, are you suggesting that red-shirt leader Ko Tee who organised the confrontation at Chaeng Wattana is actually on Suthep's payroll?

    ...Suthep's quick unsubstantiated finger-pointing at the Govt. is evidence of it as well....they would love to have an all-out assault by Security forces...When that is not happening, they need to create a situation themselves. I think these suspicions are just the tip of the iceberg...The protesters need to create all kinds of perceptions in order to advance their cause, and they are good at it.

    Could it perhaps be possible that an increase in violence, forcing the military to take an active role, would actually serve the interests of certain red-shirt factions? Could it be that Thaksin is hedging his bets, on the one hand having sister Yingluck mouthing the 'democracy' mantra, while at the same time planning for a coup, after which he could mobilise his 'forces' so we could go through 2010 yet again?

    The only thing that is sure, is that little in Thailand is as black and white as people would like it to be.

  9. I doubt the attacks are self inflicted. I just cant imagine Suthep or his stringpullers are that cynical and blood thirsty even if they have a motive for doing so (get military to stage coup).

    I doubt the attacks are initiated by the ruling party. The most obvious proof is the lack of gain from such an act. Their best way forward is feb 2nd election and a double figure number of voters. This includes Thaksin. No motive.

    Then you have fringe elements on both sides. The anti-government have some nasty colors that want a coup. The quickest way to get the military to intervene is trough violence in the streets.

    The anti-anti-government fringe also have some twisted colors. Motive can range from simple revenge because they dont feel their own is acting. Or a deeper plot to intimidate the larger numbers of the crowd. This is where I think the suspects belong. There is a huge number of people radicalized after 2009/2010 crackdowns.

    This seems more reasonable than most theories. That either Suthep or Yingluck (or anyone too high up) actually knows the details seems pretty unlikely. That they were part of the planning or had advance knowledge seems impossible.

    But some fringe sub-group, informal or otherwise, within either side led by someone even less rational? Seems quite possible.

    I absolutely agree.

    And just to annoy the few posters who annoy me so much, who more could be regarded as even less rational, than a man who promises to decapitate himself, if he doesn't get his long-term buddy back home?

    He must be a prime suspect.

  10. Of course it is totally infeasible that the rice that was 'sold' to the two Chinese companies at a market price, was in turn sold again to the rice pledging scheme at the higher price, without ever leaving Thailand. Although it may account for the absolutely spectacular amounts of money that have been lost, such a rice carousel, would of course be unthinkable in such a democratic Thailand, with such honourable politicians in the government.

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  11. I spent the last week in Bangkok at both Asoke and outside MBK. The protesters took over 24 hours away from my life in detours and put my life in danger and the life of my son by not allowing us to walk on the sidewalk they were blocking. It was dangerous..........

    Thank you, I wish I would of had the guts to toss the bomb myself.

    Thanks for the tip. When street traders on just about any main street in Bangkok have 'bombs' thrown at them in the future, we'll at least have some idea who is responsible.

  12. Al Jazeera seems impressed by the caretaker PM's resolve answering questions today. That seemed a big part of their bomb story. I came away feeling 'oh she has strong determined resolve in the face of this situation'. Such a nice news story.

    ...so many people underestimate her, it works to her very significant advantage. But she would not use violence.

    I agree that is doubtful that Yingluck would use violence, but it is frankly also doubtful that she has known much at all about the corruption in the rice scheme or the real intent behind the 350 million baht flood program. She is a pretty face that has singularly failed to be, in any visible way, the PM.

    Any comments about who actually is directly responsible for this cowardly attack are, of course, purely speculative. We all, have our own different hate-figures we would love to blame. My personal one is Thaksin's long-term crony Chalerm.

    But PM Yingluck, as head of the caretaker government, is responsible for what happens in Thailand and how conflicts are resolved. No two ways about that.

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