SergeiY

QUOTE: "Nam said he will launch a public relations campaign this week to encourage voters to exercise their rights."

Now why does that statement make me think about the subject of vote buying?

because of your own bias and prejudice maybe

So basically the PM is saying: could've, would've, should've. Wait and see...flip a coin...maybe...etc.

as always since he is PM

LaoPo, this thread is a natural for anti American posts and the Chinese Nobel prize winner is a natural for anti Chinese, Russia and Cuba posts.

Human rights have been trampled on for years in China, Russia and Cuba. Stalin killed more people than Hitler. China, the mind boggles. I don't expect you to know anything about Cuba but I lived in Florida only 90 miles away so I know a lot about Cuba.

But what do you think will happen to these two threads. China, Russia and Cuba will get almost no negative words written in Thai Visa. America will accumulate thousands of negative words.

It is mind boggling to think someone in their right mind could actually compare human rights between America and China and Russia.

It is not that America is guiltless. It is that China and Russia are not in the same league. Stalin killed millions Russians. Mao killed millions of Chinese. How many Americans did an American President kill?

It is such a perverse irrational comparison it is hard for me to even debate it.

I don't mind pointing out America's shortcomings. But to compare America with Russia or China is beyond all reason. 45 million Chinese peasants from 1958 to 1962 20 million Russians during Stalin' reign of terror. Comparison is just not rational.

Finger pointing at other will not help not is it an excuse.

Wait for it when we get the news how China or Russia celebrate the Human Rights Day. And in between learn to tell Poland from Russia and the Russia of today from the Soviet Union of yesterday.

To check since how many years Gitler and Stalin are dead would be useful too for arguments in a news forum.

You could alson check how many non-americans the american military just killed in the last few recent years, but talk about that would be probably off topic if not anti-american.

We could compare it with the sentence you get for other crimes in the USA or for crimes committed by Americans abroad but that will be probably not okay in the eyes of the off topic police.

Khrap.

:jap:

And meanwhile 3 years looks pretty harsh and comparing it with the sentence you get for other crimes in the USA is off topic - it will be same in other countries. It's nothing typical for the USA, but typical what you can expect in return for not being fully cooperative in the governments theft of your assets in many other countries too.

Lech Walesa, Andrei Sakharov and Liu Xiaobo three recent Nobel prize winners. Yet you find no breath to criticize China and Russia the leading states in censorship, corruption and lack of human rights. You find fault only with the US.

Concrete topic. Why don't you find fault with Russia and China. We all know why you find fault with the US and a lot of us do too. Concrete topic why don't you find any fault with Russia and China? Leave off the anti US rhetoric for once. answer one concrete topic. Why don't you find any fault with Russia and China too? I don't think you can do it. I don't think you can write a post without including anti US sentiment.

Concrete topic? You don't know how the off topic police works here.

It was in 1975 when Sakharov from the Soviet Union got the noble peace prize. Lech Wałęsa is from Poland, he got the prize in 1983. Poland is not Russia in case you don't know and 1975 or 1983 isn't really recently in my book. And the systems of the Soviet Union and the system of Poland at that time is now history, long gone, perished.

The topic isn't even about the Nobel peace prize but about Secretary of State Clinton celebrates Human Rights Day. The US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is from the USA in case you don't know.

Why I should now start to talk about China? Because China-bashing is a favourite USAmerican hobbyhorse? But i am not an US-American.

Sakharov, Wałęsa, Xiaobo were/are dissidents, against the system hats off to them they are role model citizens and civil right activist.

And you are now demanding with a reference to them that is should stop my criticism and become a good patriot or what?

You have a silly logic.

But okay if you want something hear from me where i praise USamerican spirit let me quote a few words that are (supposed to be) words of Thomas Jefferson. In case you don't know him, he is one of your dead presidents.

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all."

I like these words and the the spirit behind it, i hope that is pro-american enough for you.

Jail-time for not being fully cooperative in the governments theft of your assets...is ironic.

It is the USA. nothing ironic with it.

We could compare it with the sentence you get for other crimes in the USA or for crimes committed by Americans abroad but that will be probably not okay in the eyes of the off topic police.

I was just wondering why you hate the US so much. So many of your posts are anti-US.

I don't think that disliking human rights violations or disliking wars or just having a different opinion equals with hating the USA or being anti-USA.

But i guess that for some simpletons is my nickname alone, what makes them somehow think i am a Russian, ergo must be their arch-enemy, is provocation and affront enough so they attack me as person instead of looking at my comments.

No. Nothing to do with the name. Just your anti-US posts.

And it can't be "disliking human rights violations or disliking wars", as some of your posts are pro-Russia, pro-China, pro-Thaksin, and pro-Bout. But no pro-US.

I don't write hate China posts, hate Russia posts, hate Thaksin posts, hate Thailand posts, hate Muslim posts or any other xenophobic or stereotyping comments that declares foreign cultures for inferior to the west. I dislike haters. does that makes me anti-US? is it that what you mean?

Challenge me on the concrete topic when you think i am wrong instead of coming up with such broad attack here.

that is just bickering and could be probably called trolling.

It is just a case of regional preferences. I think the Nobel peace prize has only been awarded to two people in jail recently one in Russia and one in China. Human rights and freedoms for some people differ depending on the country trammeling on those rights. If the US does something wrong some people come out in vehement condemnation. China or Russia get a pass.

Such problems are seldom solved with finger pointing at others nor it is an excuse.

Btw. The last Russian who got the Nobel peace prize was Gorbachev in 1990, the other Russian was Andrei Sakharov a dissident during the soviet times and loved by the west in the cold war.(don't assume he would support your aggressive WE ARE AT WAR mindset)

I was just wondering why you hate the US so much. So many of your posts are anti-US.

I don't think that disliking human rights violations or disliking wars or just having a different opinion equals with hating the USA or being anti-USA.

But i guess that for some simpletons is my nickname alone, what makes them somehow think i am a Russian, ergo must be their arch-enemy, is provocation and affront enough so they attack me as person instead of looking at my comments.

Hi SergeiY, what they mean by Mickey Mouse courses is that about 10 to 15 years ago the Government in the UK started practically forcing kids into university. There are many kids who want trades that require training rather than degreres - to cope with the limits that were placed on the universities - especially new ones created from old colleges (that did not offer degrees at all back then), many new courses were set up that were easy to teach , easy to test and pointless to the kid's future or industry - such courses as "Soap Operas", "Surfing", "aromatherapy", "Chav Culture" and so on. Most traditional universities do not offer such frivilous degrees, some do (the Chav Culture degree was froim Leeds Uni - a well knowsand respected uni).

It are the "mickey mouse" courses, the faculty of philosophy or faculty of humanities that makes an university to an university. An university is more than just a factory that produce engineers for the industry.

Nothing wrong with a MA in cultural studies and if you wrote your thesis about the presentation of different gender roles in Transylvanian soap operas and its influence on the pre/proto chav culture of immigrant kids in Sheffield suburbs. If you did well and have good notes you can still start your career at a bank where they would give you further training anyway before you really start with the job.

It isn't Hillary or the gender of the Secretary of State - it is the system this person is standing for and represents that made you choke on your laugh and puke instead.

I get the distinct impression that you don't like the United States Sergei. I'm not sure if it's this post that gives it away, or every second other post of yours that makes me think that.

I have nothing against Hillary Clinton personaly or dislike her because she is a woman. I don't like human rights violations and i don't like dishonesty and bigoted hypocrisy.

I know that you have no problems with human rights violations and even defend such activities.

So what is your point? Bickering? Troll attack?

Just out of curiouslity, how much does university cost in the UK anyway? I'm sure it's a tiny fraction of the cost in the USA so it would be interesting to know just what is getting these people worked up enough to riot.

I think the tuition costs at public universities are similar, with private universities much higher on both sides of the ocean. The add fees being proposed appear to be a large part of the student concern. What I have read these fees are much higher than North American fees.

Contrary to what some members say about student thinking in the UK or the US where total University costs vs medium income can be compared, there is a huge student exchange between the two systems. Some of the members who seem to need to flame others and specific countries never seem to mention which country or education system is responsilble doe their verbal tirades.

As far as the question goes " what is getting these people worked up enough to riot."

It is is quite clear that it has absolutely nothing to do with the USA and these 'rioters' or protesters are not concerned about the cost in the USA.

To state that is not a flame but simply facts and the truth. Not my fault that the protesters in the UK will give a shit about the USA in the issue of increased tuition fees in the UK.

Does SergieY get out of the wrong side of bed everyday? Always seems to have a bee in his bonnet but a little light comedy is always good.

What is your point?

Please address the issue and not the person. That is something what you can learn at these mickey mouse courses at a good university. never to late to get some education.

The bluffing tactic does not, however, answer the major question of the human-rights situation, democracy and governance in Thailand. As long as the suppression of the red shirts continues, questions over the 91 deaths in April and May remain unsolved, media censorship continues, enforcement of emergency law in the capital is still in place and violence in the deep South has not been contained, Thaksin will never be lacking in points to make to any forum.

If he really wanted to make Thaksin go quiet, Abhisit should fix all these outstanding problems concerning his own governance.

Bingo!

Just out of curiouslity, how much does university cost in the UK anyway? I'm sure it's a tiny fraction of the cost in the USA so it would be interesting to know just what is getting these people worked up enough to riot.

They probably give a shit about what it cost in the USA nor have any interest to become like the USA.

Time to realise that outside the USA the world is quite different from inside the USA and that the USA isn't a standard everyone has to follow.

That's a nonsensical response. Maybe it's not too late to get a refund on your education.

Growing numbers of American students are opting to study at UK universities because of the 'cheap' fees.

Ermm, these American Students are not protesting in the UK, it are British students who protest and it is not about what it cost in the USA.

You know that the UK isn't the USA, right? And the British students will still give a shit about what it cost in the USA.

Did you get your education on an athletic scholarship or on a military 'academy'?

lol

Yeah LOL.

At least, I tried but the severity of the topic and the total deceitfulness of that snake in woman’s clothes made me choke on my laugh and I puked instead.

Tiger

It isn't Hillary or the gender of the Secretary of State - it is the system this person is standing for and represents that made you choke on your laugh and puke instead.

I had no clue what kind of product that might be so i used google and found out that Rolaids Ultra Strength SoftChews plus Gas Relief are actually called Rolaids Ultra Strength Plus Gas Relief Soft Chews

And they furthermore inthe USA also recall all lots of ROLAIDS Extra Strength plus Gas Softchews and ROLAIDS Multi-Symptom plus Anti-Gas Softchews

so be careful with any Ultra and Extra Strenght and Plus Gas and plus Anti-Gas softchew and probably any other Rolaids softchew too.

Is this one of the civil wars that Viktor Bout supplied arms to?

edit: allegedly ...

Viktor Bout did contract work for the UN in Sudan. And Bouts prosecutor, the United States, is NOT a member of the International Criminal Court (ICC).

And the big news is not that millions of kids from backgrounds like I come from will now not have the opportunities I got.

The tuition increases will act to ensure that future generations will have the opportunities. Tuition costs have not kept pace with the rise in wages and operating costs. The universities will still be heavily subsidized. Qualified students will still be able to obtain bursaries and scholarships. If it means that someone will not be able to study gender issues as a means to empowerment, or the politics of uppers slobastan and its impact upon the sorghum crop or hip hop as a means of communication too bad. too many people attend university who do not belong, taking a few classes a week and screwing around in mickey mouse courses.

What you call mickey mouse courses is the great great plus universities have since the age of enlightenment.

The one people that have, in fact, maintained its historic connection with the area called “Palestine,” over a period of 2,000 years, is the Jews. Of course, the Bible never uses the term “Palestine”, but prefers to call this land “Judah” or “Israel”. Indeed, the Jewish right to the land of Israel is not based only on history, but is claimed by the physical process of work invested in transforming it into an area capable of supporting life. It is the fruits of this work that motivate mythological Arab claims to the territory.

http://actionforisrael.org/never_arab.html

Ohh yes, the Bible. What a brilliant argument.

You forgot to add, "but only if you are stupid enough to declare war on us for the umpteenth time".

Israel has taken 1/100000th of the land that other countries - such as Russia - have taken by force without even being attacked. The US at least bought most of their territory (Manhattan, Louisiana Purchase, Alaska). Yes, Indians were living there before but where'd they get it from?

btw - isn't Argentina where many of the Nazis went to after WWII?

What have Russia, the Nazis and the Indians in Manhattan to do with Palestine?

lol

under US law maybe but Australian citizens are not bound by US laws if they did not comit an offence in the US. The yanks and thier so called little laws have no jurisdiction in Australia even tho most Americans may think they do.

Sounds like a fairly valid & interesting argument to me!

It didn't help Bout.

As far as the US is concerned, you don't have to be in the US to break their laws.

Not that Assange has broken any US laws inside or outside the US.

Do you know that Thailand is not Australia?

I didn't sign up on your petition but I might answer this one, from the same site.

http://civoc.com/romarybt

It certainly adds a degree of seriousness to your petition.

Nothing wrong with your taste Chuck ...Holy Moly...but likely a "fake" and also quite white for a Ghana girl.

LaoPo

What kind of scam is this page? most of the profiles there seems to be fake. fake member profiles to create the illusion of some web community. the photos probably stolen somewhere else on the net or from a collection of emails from nigeria. I doubt that many of the members there are real people.

And, I'm aware that it's not always comforting to hear an unbiased view by a fellow American...

You think that he is "unbiased' because he agrees with you. People who do not agree with his opinion would not say he is 'unbiased" in any way.

Oh no....he doesn't agree with me since he is probably unware of my existence but I do agree of what he writes.

But I realize very well that it hurts to see, read the very truth, written by an esteemed American Professor which (hopefully) opens the eyes of millions of Americans because they're not used to read such comments.

LaoPo

I guess I missed something. You are not talking about Noam Chomsky are you?

Yes, you missed something and he is not talking about Chomsky.

Btw. last time you totally spoiled your anti Chomsky rant. Not that i am much a pro Chomsky type but he deserved better critics.