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I don't need some idiot to tell me what my eyes see . Now did you look at the Bangkok slums ?

You need to move to a nicer area if that's what you're seeing.

Nothing could catch the CBR, absolutely nothing And it wasn't for lack of triers either. Many attempted, all failed I have to assume you are racing Fino's again since any sportsbike would leave you floundering at the 150 kph mark (easily achieved in second gear on many bikes). Any car around the Civic level would cruise past you while the driver was adjusting the aircon.

Fraid not.

Not when there's traffic lights, roadworks detours etc etc every 5-10km.

By the time you're touching 150kph there still struggling in double digits. They might end up doing much faster but if they don't have long empty straights they aren't going to catch you. And my word do they try.

BTW, the only 2 bikes I saw were 2 new ninja250's that were struggling up a hill in Khao Yai.

goodbye to all Hilux', Fortuners and minivans at 150kph I've been tailgated up to 190kph on the GSXr by Fortuners, even by the odd 3.0 Hilux. Once again you're in Dreamland.

How long did it take them to get there?

The fastest I went on this ride was 155kph. Not one vehicle passed me. All types tried. Sure if they had 10km of straight road it would have been different. The odd heavy truck and bit of traffic, you're straight through, they're back down to 90kph for a minute and km's more behind before they get to put the foot back down.

We're not on about straight out top speed races, but realistic speeds on those highways, the advantage of the agile bike far outweighs the what the big boys can sustain. Two or three cars can slow them right down for minutes, with the CBR it's maybe a drop to 120 for a few seconds then straight back up 150 again and gone.

And then we have the all too predictable Ninja price reference.

My predictable price reference to the ninja650r??

my original plan of keeping it for 2 yrs and upgrading to the Ninja650R is out the window I'd say.

It will end up with whole new exhaust system and airfilter, with the programmable FI set to keep the stock combustion ratio, what a little animal it will be then. Ninja money then spent on top class suspension

How many dead there so far?

< or > than 50?

2 days of fun.

My word what a bike.

Just back from two days of highway racing along the 305 and 33, with a nice detour through Khao Yai on the way back, and nothing could catch the CBR, absolutely nothing. And it wasn’t for lack of triers either. Many attempted, all failed.

Went down yesterday and the roads were dead, it was virtually 3 empty lanes of highway the entire way. Conditions were great so it was throttle wide open and goodbye to all Hilux’, Fortuners and minivans at 150kph cruising speed. I’m not a speedfreak and don’t go for gung-ho racing and lying on the tank. I did duck down once and it sped upto 155kph rather easily, but a comfortable 150kph is nice enough. And the bike feels completely stable and sturdy at such speeds, and wind wasn’t exactly weak. Even the engine at only 9000rpm seems to lap up 150kph endlessly and without stress or strain.

One massive Mitsubishi 4WD did make up ground on one of the very long straights and was just drawing level when a bend came up and he had to let off. In 800km over the two days on basically free highways not one vehicle passed the little CBR. And at least one vehicle of every kind had a go. After 4 yrs of being bossed and bullied around the road I think it’s a fair call to get it out of the system and spend a few days humiliating and destroying the ‘big boys’ in their ‘big toys’. A few of them will be tossing and turning tonight for sure, they don’t seem to like a youngish farang on a little bike leaving them for absolute dead.

Anyway, the bike just laps it up endlessly, my original plan of keeping it for 2 yrs and upgrading to the Ninja650R is out the window I’d say. The little CBR is more than capable of everything needed, worries of it holding it’s own on the highway have been utterly destroyed with it downright humiliating anything and everything on there.

And that’s only stock form. It will end up with whole new exhaust system and airfilter, with the programmable FI set to keep the stock combustion ratio, what a little animal it will be then. Ninja money then spent on top class suspension, and it will be perfect.

8,500km in, and what a machine it is.

Anyone notice how massive a difference cleaning the chain (even just giving it a good wiping with WD-40 & cloth) and a good lubing (even with only the lithium grease from homepro) makes, even after a few hundred km?

Great improvement in smoothness, feel and sound/noise (lack of).

Is this your first motorcycle?!

Nope, must be my 9th. The difference is larger on the CBR than all the others I've had.

Pity when people need to try and look down on someone, says quite a lot about them.

One thing my many years in Thailand has taught me is that a person never gets beat up by a bunch of bar girls and a bouncer for doing nothing, sad that people thing that's not the case.

Doing nothing in reference to their culture, perhaps. Doing nothing in reference to Thai culture, not likely.

Inadvertent, yeah right.

And I'm paul daniels about to pull a rabbit outta my ass.

If he's some newbee I'd guess he used the word 'fuc_k' during a minor confrontation. They don't like that word when they think it's in reference to them.

Again, you are interpreting an English translation of a Thai law and it is ONLY a theory on your part.

Again, I'm not.

I've asked for what interpretations others seem to draw on it and all I get back when proving them to be incorrect is 'go and do it then'.

If you want to talk about childish, please feel free to look at how you ended your last post. You are making a statement of FACT that is truthfully just your opinion.

Nope. By legal definition that would constitute work, as WPs aren't available for those positions, and they aren't on the exemption list it is a sound comment.

Your statement of FACT could lead to people being blacklisted from Thailand, as has happened to teachers working without a WP.

I would appreciate a link to any teachers being blacklisted for working without a WP, where other charges (fake degrees etc.) aren't included. Thanks. The internet's a big place I'm sure they'd be on there. One at least... go on.

The reply to this was also a child like 'well go and do it then'. Can you answer the questions and back up your points or not?

Working (as a teacher) does not equals performing a mission or duty.

Teaching isn't a duty for the benefit of education?

How do you work that out?

What does a teacher perform then? other than a duty for the benefit of education, which apparently you say they don't.

Being a teacher isn't a duty (for the benefit of education), sorry mate, but that's a classic!

You haven't proven anything to be incorrect, appropriate, you have only made a point about your interpretation of what the Thai law translated into English means. If you would like to PROVE it, it would take a test case. I understand that you may not be committed enough to your opinion to volunteer yourself to be the test case, but that is something that should be considered as well! You wouldn't have to be a teacher long! A day or two would suffice probably. Just get someone to let you teach, even as a volunteer for a little while and have someone else report you to MoL and Immigration, You could even make the report yourself.

Again with the immature and unrealistic retorts. Did you not read point 2 in my post above, or just ignoring it?

You are presenting a "theory" on your interpretation of the meaning of the Thai law written into English.

No, I am highlighting that the Thai government, by way of their English BoI website which lists the Alien Occupation Act 1973 declare that 'professionals performing any duty for the benefit of eduction is exempt from work permit requirements'.

Some posters have tried to say this doesn't include teachers, when I have shown that it does, they have ignored it and retorted with childish nonsense.

Your theory could cause people to not only get in trouble, but potentially blacklisted from Thailand

Just as much as washing the windows in your wife's house or driving her in her car.

And btw for this:

You haven't proven anything to be incorrect

You need to look at the responses in post 71.

Which you have ignored and since reverted to 5 yr old child-esque 'well go and do it then' which indicates that you can't reply to it sensibly.

Idiots.

It has to be said.

No, it screams that I do not agree with your interpretation of a Thai Law translated into English

You have highlighted your points which I have proven to be incorrect.

In return you have reverted to childlike 'well go and do it then' retorts.

To use your type of argument against you : If you do not believe in your argument enough to test it, you must not have any faith that your interpretation of the law is correct. (rather loudly)

Well, no.

1) becoming a teacher, umm, no thanks.

2) I don't believe many officials in Thailand actually know their own laws themselves. The legal system included.

Appropriate --- then feel free to work without a WP, get arrested, and fight YOUR interpretation of what they mean in court The consequences if you are wrong might be dire .. but as they say "up to you!"

Sorry, this and others are offhand comments that add nothing but the poster's inability to answer the questions, and reply sensibly to the topic.

I find no need for childish 'well do this then if that;s what you think' comments when asked to give information on your statements.

If you cannot reply reasonably to the questioning of your points, that screams rather loudly that your points aren't valid.

Thanks.

No .. your interpretation of what is on the BOI page is the issue,

Nope. It's right there in black and white.

Your assumption that teachers in normal schools where they apply for a job and work for pay in Thailand are covered by the BOI statement is flawed.

Their statement clearly states 'exemptions' and 'any duty for the benefit of education...'. Performing such duties therefore fall under such. It is also accredited to: 'The Alien Occupation Law', not a BoI law.

So sorry, your claim of it being only a BoI statement is flawed. The exemptions act was an updated version of the Alien Occupation Law, adopted in 1978..

It isn't your duty or mission to teach under those circumstances, it is your privilege/job to work in that profession and thus not covered under the intent.

Incorrect.

A contract will clearly state: Employee's Duties. The duties the employees are contracted to uphold. (Not employee's privileges). These are your legal duties under such a contract, and as teacher they will presumably include teaching.

So sorry, you're incorrect.

because it is on Thaivisa

nope, it's on the Thai government's BoI information page.

Working (as a teacher) does not equals performing a mission or duty.

Teaching isn't a duty for the benefit of education?

How do you work that out?

What does a teacher perform then? other than a duty for the benefit of education, which apparently you say they don't.

Being a teacher isn't a duty (for the benefit of education), sorry mate, but that's a classic!

Sunbelt mearly states the rules, as given by the Thai government.

Yup. Perhaps Thaivisa need to contact the BoI.

Perhaps the OP forgets that being on mission (to teach) is not the same as performing a mission or duty.

Please explain how you feel 'occupying a profession which is performing any duty as a benefit to education' doesn't include being a teacher?

And btw, you need to read the point again, there is no mention of being 'on a mission' with this point. You're looking at the one above it.

Persons who enter the Kingdom for the performance of any duty or mission for the benefit of education, culture, arts, or sports

No mention of being on a mission there I'm afraid.

curious if you noted Sunbelt's above answer or bothered to look at their link???

Yup. Under the Thai government's board of investment declaration those who hold a profession that is the performance of any duty for the benefit of education are exempt from the WP requirements.

No other points given by the BoI are tied into it.

Thus those who possess a teaching duty, as a profession for the benefit of education in Thailand are exempt.

You don't agree, with that analysis?

Sunbelt Asia simply took their wording directly from the Thai government, found here:

http://www.boi.go.th...n_investors.asp

2.1. Exemptions

The Act grants exemptions from the work permit requirement to persons occupying the following professions:

– Members of the diplomatic corps

– Members of consular missions

– Representatives of member countries and officials of the United Nations and its specialized agencies

– Personal servants coming from abroad to work exclusively for persons listed under the above items

– Persons who perform duties on missions in the Kingdom under an agreement between the government of Thailand and a foreign government or international organization

– Persons who enter the Kingdom for the performance of any duty or mission for the benefit of education, culture, arts, or sports

– Persons who are specially permitted by the Thai Government to enter and perform any duty or mission in the Kingdom

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Thanks.

No difference to the info given in the OP.

The Act grants exemptions from the work permit requirement to persons occupying the following professions:

Persons who enter the Kingdom for the performance of any duty or mission for the benefit of education

This point (subsection) has no written connection to the other points (subsections) including the subsection referring to being invited by the government , only to the main section heading - The Act grants exemptions from the work permit requirement to persons occupying the following professions

Thus written as such, declare that those with a profession that is the performance of any duty for the benefit of education, whether invited or not, are exempt from the WP requirements. So given the info stated, it doesn't matter if one is invited or not.

Unless of course one has to fall under all the subsections - they're a member of the diplomatic corps, and on a consular mission, and a member of the UN, and invited by the gov. etc.

Sunbelt is not declaring anything, it is a translation of what the law says (and that is not that a teacher doesn't need a work permit). But the law remains silence on what can be understood as performing a duty.

They are declaring the info in the OP.

They neither mention that the info is a translation (which it obviously is) or may not be correct.

Again, 'a duty' is used, sunbelt declare 'any duty', as a 'profession'. Not as some visiting soccer player or whatever.

They declare that.

Exemptions from the Work Permit requirement are granted to persons occupying the following professions

Persons who enter the Kingdom for the performance of any duty or mission for the benefit of education,

That is what they declare on their website.

I agree, if I know better and usually I do having researched prior, I never take "mai me" or "mai dai" for an answer just pointing out the difficulties in doing so...

Completely agree, with most things here, not only government officials. You have to research what you're doing, and not accept the lazy 'cannot' or 'not have' that the inept, incompetent and lazy say to get out of actually doing their job.

Of course we should just say 'mai pen rai' and smile in order to keep social harmony.

Honestly I think you're interpretation is spot on but sadly it's getting the authors and enforcers to understand, that is the major obstacle. Take for example the visa reporting and how it varies from office to office no uniformity whatsoever, it seems that the powers that be can write their own interpretations and try to inform otherwise runs up against that loss of face thing so a loss all around I'm afraid..

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sorry, just to comment on this.

Yes, I went to immigration last year (this thread topic has nothing to do with my situation btw) I was informed at the desk that the extension I wanted was impossible. Doesn't exist.

I showed them a previous one.

Oh, they said, surprised.

In to the immigration booth and the nice officer said the exact same thing, impossible, cannot. Until I showed her the previous extension she herself had given 60 days before.

Oh... these documents okay (without looking at them first), can. She said.

Amazing I said to the wife, I have to inform two separate immigration officers of their own immigration policy.

Point of the story, anyone who listens to what a local official tells them and takes it as the truth is well, I better not say.

Just because an official at some ministry tells you something, it certainly doesn't make it correct or truthful.

Edit: To edit in an other story a friend in Isahn was told that as a foreigner he could not get a 5 yr driving license after his 1 year one. Simply cannot. No way would they listen or contact any head office over it. Refused blindly that it was anyway possible. Had to go to BKK and get it there and actually got them to phone the district office to inform them. Went back in when he got back to show his 5 yr license, and demand answers as to why they wouldn't give him one, well, the show made many low ranking buffaloes officers lose substantial face. The problem was that the fax informing them of such a law was never received, farang made fax machines not good, many problems apparently.

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Anyone notice how massive a difference cleaning the chain (even just giving it a good wiping with WD-40 & cloth) and a good lubing (even with only the lithium grease from homepro) makes, even after a few hundred km?

Great improvement in smoothness, feel and sound/noise (lack of).

Your right , now that you mention "Clueless" I see your point Right Guys :jerk::hit-the-fan:great argument.... All Thais are Clueless and only you have the right interpretation..

I suggest you read Forum Rule number 7 & 8 before you're given a little holiday.

It seems that OP has resorted mainly to hairsplitting to continue this discussion. In the absence of actual evidence of his claim or any other pertinent real material, I think this thread should wind up pretty soon.

Sunbelt explaining themselves would help wrap it up. George has emailed them. Should be replying soon.

And no hairspliting, simply reading what SB states.

I personally will stay out of the thread until then, unless they forget to reply.

In the interpretation of statute or regulation 'context' is always valid ...

Not with reference to the statement, which is all.