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Thaksin Shinawatra and his neo-moralist regime would have banned Facebook from Thailand on lesser grounds than this. All because Thai teachers are too embarrassed to teach about contraceptives. Something tells me they have a few things to learn about scientific method and research ethics as well.

Yip... that was really lewd. Never thought such things could happen in Thailand.

Why do these young blokes come here ? When I first arrived here in 1995 I was considered young at 42. You rarely saw a foreigner under 30 . However, now they come in hordes WHY ?? When I was in my 20's I could always get a bird back home. I can't get one anymore.... well.... one that I would want, so I come here......... But then I am faced with these young <deleted>, what are they doing here ? Go back home and wait until you are 50+ and then return.

That is what Pattaya is for, so the old sods can get a reasonable looking bird. You young <deleted> are spoiling Pattaya and the birds here. The good looking ones are no longer interested in 50+ men and why???? because of these young tossers coming here thinking they are something special and spoiling it.

You want a good looking bird without being good looking yourself, and if you don't get one, it means the "birds" have been spoiled? Well, boohoo! With such an attitude, even Brad Pitt would look like a pathetic loser.

THX JCB, you made my day AND you are so correct in everything you said here

biggest prob is the young lads these days have only skills in front of their computers and not in talking to a REAL girl in REAL Life anymore

I bet my grandparents' generation said something like "young people of today only talk on the telephone instead of having a REAL conversation in REAL life. "

You young <deleted> are spoiling Pattaya and the birds here. The good looking ones are no longer interested in 50+ men and why???? because of these young tossers coming here thinking they are something special and spoiling it.

Oh boohoo, "I can't get a nice looking bird", what kind of girl would want a guy who calls her a bird anyway? With such an attitude, even Brad Pitt would appear as a pathetic loser.

Birds have needs too, and the bird sanctuary of Pattaya didn't really impress me. You can still get good looking "birds" to your home, it's just that you have to put more efforts into it when you're not good looking yourself.

:-)

"Extortionate prices"? It's a free market, isn't it?

This has nothing to do with "free market". It´s pure criminality and should be puniched.

By the way wellcome to the forum.

Thank you, Skywalker69

At least, it should be a crime to take such advantage. However, I'm not familiar with Thailand's usury laws, and can therefore not take such laws into consideration.

"Free market" means freedom to form cartels and freedom to charge whatever you want... and freedom for the others to not use services which they can't afford. Oh, and it also means freedom for the government to subsidize such cartels and give them tax cuts. If the banks can do this, then so can the boat operators.

It's just plain greed and while the thai's don't have a monopoly on greed they are right up there with the best of them; or is that the worst?

In a free market economy and from a libertarian point of view (not that I'm one), the appropriate term is 'best'. The only difference to how it works in the United States is that in the U.S, the boat operators would get tax cuts and subsidies as well.

"Extortionate prices"? It's a free market, isn't it?

You better switch on your brain first, what a stupid and unqualified comment!

I wished that you were concerned when in a necessity of transport after loosing everything from the floods.

Switch on my brain? It seems to me like you're the one who needs to switch on yours. Or maybe you just need to open your eyes for how this world works, so you can perceive mankind as it really is. I think that could be very useful for you. You may not like what you see, but hey - that's the price one has to pay (no pun intended).

If I were in the boat operators' shoes, I'd probably do the same as them. It's just that I'm not them.

For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away

"Extortionate prices"? It's a free market, isn't it?

Narathiwat 88 points - that's what happens when you're targeting schools and teachers in the battle against the infidels.

but knowing what Thai jurisdiction is like (for Thai's benefitting at the expense of a farang) he will probably get a slapped wrist and be told not to do it again as this was just plain 'naughty'!!!!

It's in the middle of their national anthem, even - something in the direction of "all Thais intend to gang up together"

I advice the OP to get a female friend (sic!) who can tell him what he's doing wrong.

Copied from Wikipedia:

In logic, an argument is a set of one or more meaningful declarative sentences (or "propositions") known as the premises along with another meaningful declarative sentence (or "proposition") known as the conclusion. A deductive argument asserts that the truth of the conclusion is a logical consequence of the premises; an inductive argument asserts that the truth of the conclusion is supported by the premises. Deductive arguments are valid or invalid, and sound or not sound. An argument is valid if and only if the truth of the conclusion is a logical consequence of the premises and (consequently) its corresponding conditional is a necessary truth. A sound argument is a valid argument with true premises.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument

Good luck having a debate, discussion, etc without an argument.

Wasting food is totally unheard of in my thai family. Rice is never free of charge, and wasting it keeps the food prices high.

Wow, Karma does work. RIP

This is about cause and effect. Apart from substance abuse and unwholesome thoughts, it's blatantly stupid to take a highly venomous snake out of its cage to play with it while being drunk. It's not a dog.

all the happily married Farang/Thai couples I know each and everyone has the solid support of their Thai in-laws and non are being bled dry by money grubbing wasters.

You're right to warn the OP, those you know; but sometime the exception proves the rule. I've never had to give one satang to my in laws. Wealthy bangkokians I have to confess.

Are they Chinese-Thai?

It is my considered opinion ... If I loan money, I never expect it back. That way I am never disappointed. And, if I get it back, I am well satisfied. I don't loan unless I can afford to lose that amount

Sounds good. I partly second that, as I didn't expect to get the 20k back either. It just p!sses me off that instead of spending it on something that could be good for the family, she spent it on herself instead - so as to finance an extravagant lifestyle although she's unemployed. It also turns out now that she has also maxed out a credit card of 30k baht which belongs to someone else in the family. And this is not a scamming-peter-to-pay-paul-scheme. She now owes money to Peter and to Paul.

A very well-written reply, thanks for making the effort ;-)

As if this wasn't enough, my sister-in-law has asked us for another 20.000 to start up a similar project in Pattaya. I got furious when my wife told me about the proposal. Her older sister's behaviour was downright foolish from the start, but if I lend them more money, I will of course be the foolish one. I do not resent my sister-in-law for what she did - this is more than a useful lesson.

It may prove to be. But of course, that will depend on your ability to learn the lesson. So far, you have shown little that suggests you are capable of learning the lesson. I say this based on your comments below:

Until paid, I can keep the figurative IOU as an ace up my sleeve. But how dare they come with business funding "proposals" after this? Although my wife is on my side in this now, nobody knows how long it will take until she starts believing her sister's lies again. I just said to her: "Sure, your sister can borrow 20K. But first she has to return the initial 20K she borrowed from us, then she can borrow another 20K" She thought it was unkind to say that, but I couldn't really care less.

You have no Ace up your sleeve.

They 'dare' because you aren't nearly as intelligent as they are. Yes, they.

I have actually never been cheated by them before. Of course that didn't mean it would never happen - after all, one time must be the first. But if the first one will also be the last is all up to me. I can say that for all coming "proposals", I will use the card which has "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me" printed on it. If that's an Ace or not, depends on the situation. In my opinion, it is. That's the card which the villagers used to not save the boy who cried "wolf", so of course it's powerful. Only that the villagers actually did get fooled twice, whilst I on the contrary won't let the in-laws get any second chance in the first place.

A 'dee' is the feminine side of a Thai lesbian couple the other half being a 'Tom' or 'butch' as in the USA ... It is well acknowledged that these days some of the most attractive young women in Thailand are 'dees' sometimes openly but very often totally discreet and unknown to those Thais closest to them...

Thank you for the explanation

over the past 15 years in Thailand it's quite obvious what women get the most attention and how they work it. ... In Thailand nothing is obvious until someone takes out the cash. There are DEES in Thailand that are stealthy enough to fool their families, certain of their friends, their teachers and/or their employers and to a farang they most certainly would not be 'obvious'.

Excuse me, but I'm not familiar with the term 'DEES'. It looks like an acronym or something, but I couldn't find anything on Google about it. Care to explain what it means?

I'm quite sure it means she is willing to give her virginity to you.

I feel a bit embarrassed for knowing that actually.

When life gives you a bowl of cherries, you're _supposed_ to pop'em. Don't be ashamed of yourself, boy! ;-)

The marrying in the neighboring country is something that was thought of however we had just assumed Thailand would not recognize it. Does anyone know if they went to Cambodia get married would Thailand be forced to respect it even if she was not yet 20?

Also for the trolls that think this story is not true and are giving response based on their own personal experiences in Thailand can I please remind you that the point of this thread was to find out information about how one could get married if they are under 20 with out the consent of the parents. Just assume the story is 100% made up if that will help you focus on answering the question at hand. Thanks you for your understanding and kindness.

You have provided enough information to cause an infinite thread of unnecessary speculations (deliberately or not), I'll give you that. The real question at hand is if the other members will be able to stick to what you call "the question at hand" or if they'll be led into the temptation of advising your friend to take a cold shower and an icy bath.

Funny that you're mentioning trolls. I do suspect there is a bridge nearby, because something really stinks here.

It's all a misunderstanding. She meant she has a FEE for a guy like you.

ROTFLMAO!!!!

So the image of Paradise is fading away... this is why the Thais don't want you to know too much about Thailand. Not that I see the Thais as a homogenic group of people with one common mentality, I'm just saying that this is what the saying "farang roo mak mai dee" obviously stems from. Oh, and by the way, I'm terribly sorry to hear that you found out the truth about Thailand and had your lovely illusions blown away.

The way that rich Thai parents can sob about how hard it is to bribe the headmasters of the best schools to let their stupid son enter - on the cost of a brighter kid of course - is an example of how shamelessly the rich people in Thailand always have kicked down at the poor. It's only a century since slavery was abolished there.

Thailand was never Paradise. What I just mentioned above would never have happened in something even close to Paradise - unless Paradise is only for the rich. However, Thailand is great at making itself look wonderful to the un-trained eyes and ignorant mind. In Asia, it's of vital importance to always make everything look perfect to the outside world - keeping up appearances, so to speak (I nearly used the 'f-word' right now, but 'keeping face' is such a cliché). As the high-educated people we are, we have a desire to research more of the country, getting to know the locals, learn the language, etc., some of which comes by itself as we settle down there - and we get to see the darker and less beautiful sides of the country, characteristics which the travel agencies from natural reasons wouldn't mention.

You cannot lose something you never had in the first place, so Thailand is obviously not a "Paradise Lost". But your perception of Thailand as a Paradise might wither and die, which of course is completely natural that it does after a while. Like I said, Thailand was never Paradise. When living there and spending time with the locals, why would you want to perceive Thailand as something which it isn't?

Death of a nation? Sounds dramatic - it better not happen. But the political consciousness among people in the countryside will make it harder to keep Thailand together as one country. It might even take a revolution and a change of government to some kind of "democratic people's republic" to keep political stability in a country with such vast social differences and oppression of the poor. The way I see it, there is only one person whom the unity of Thailand depends on under these circumstances - and today is his birthday.