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There's no law in this country, not in the "western" sense. If you have to deal with the police you might get lucky and get all cooperation, or you might get a cold shoulder and "it's your problem, not mine" attitude.
People, including the police, will not stand for what is right, they will stand for WHO is right. Everyone should be aware of this.
Very well said and a point worth keeping in mind.
Westerners instinctively believe in rule of law and the fairness of law enforcement authorities even if they've never thought about it much. Part of the foreigner's exposure here in Thailand is that, should something untoward happen, the foreigner will not be treated by authorities in an even handed manner. Of course, the New York cops can treat visitors differently, too, but as a rule, everyone is treated more or less equally badly. That's just not true in Thailand. As a foreigner, if you are involved in any incident, you're on your own. And good luck to you.
I regret to say it, but this is just b.s. Full of prejudice and whatever worse. Police I've met in different circumstances, even trying to help some stupid drunken farangs (in Pattaya some years ago), were polite and decent. But I try not to loose control when I are out having some beers. -
There are really so many vicious attacks against foriegners on the streets of Bangkok recently. One is that another foriegn student at Bangkok University International Division has been stabbed and beat to death on the street. It happened on last Saturday night at Ratchada and Rama 9 intersection. The victim and another foriegn student who was ridding a motorbike was stopping at the red light. All the sudden hords of motorbike kiddy gangs came from behind and stopped at the red light as well and some got off the started stabbing the victim for fun who was a passenger with machetes and knives and beat him with bats on the ground. The survivor who was ridding the bike suffered some injuries said the whole attack last only seconds and the gangs sped away.
The victim died in hospital. And survivor said he is so surprised that the Thai police did not contact him about the murder at all and show absolutely no interest in this case. He said he will try to make the case publicly somehow since police show no interest to solve this kind of motor bike random killing cases because a police told him they see this every night and used to it.
Another case happened right in front of my eyes. It happened in the back of Kao San Road last week or so. A place called Bangkok Bar. I was drinking with 2 friends next to the bar then suddenly saw all the securities were beating the ###### out of a foreign guy. He was covered with blood and lied unconscious on the street and these bar securities still no stop and continued to kick him on the face and his head. From what I saw the guy's face is disfigured by all the kicking. No one help and no police came for another 1 hour or so. And finally a rescue truck came and took the motionless body. I observed the police did not even do anything and did not even question these bar securities who involved in the street lynching that may have take his life or very close to it.
Later I asked a foriegn guy who was in the pub what happened. He told me this poor guy was so drunk and have no money in his pocket to pay for his bill. So one security guy started to hit his head and face and then all of them followed and hit and kick this poor man's face and head for next 30 minutes as he lied motionless on the street without stopping. No police came during all that time.
I hope this poor guy survived but I really doubt he will survive as normal human being again. These Thai guys do not have much individual or independent consciousness or thinking ability, when one of their pals started to pound on one man, and rest of the hord will follow without knowing why. I have seen so many senseless viscious bar fights among Thai guys and all happen like this.
The other case is that a friend of my good friend. He just came to Thailand from Sweden on his second trip to Bangkok. He was taking out money at a ATM near On Nut about 8 PM. Suddenly some thugs smacked his head from behind. He dropped his withdrawn money and his ATM card but was able to run dizzily away to the street and got a taxi and ran away. He suffered massive blow to the head and went to hospital to get a scan. But luckily did not suffer internal bleeding. And rested in his hotel for almost all week before flying back to Stockholm.
Bangkok crime is getting more vicious recent years. Years ago most foriegners only involved in shopping scams or pick pockets, but recently the violent crimes againt foriegners have escalated to a viscious level and almost on a everyday basis. And police do not care at all for some beating of foreigners on the street or in a pub or even get killed randomly by motorcycle gangs on the major public street like Ratchada.
Because of the police and goverment inability and empathy, these street thugs including these low scum bar securities will strike again anywhere anytime against any foreigner.
As I recall there was a article in Bangkok Post 'bout the killing incident (foreign passenger on the motorbike stabbed to death). The police investigated the case and arrested a couple of young gangsters. There is a clear government policy in Thailand that tourists shall feel safe when they are here. I have lived in Bangkok only a month (have lived in Isan a half year), but I have visited the metropol a number of times. I have NEVER experienced trouble!
Last month I was in a bar in Soi Cowboy (Toy Bar). After some hours I discovered I had lost my VISA card. The cash-hostess got irritated and called a security guy. He just smiled to me (he was about my age, 50) and asked if I could call someone to take the bill. I couldn't. Instead I offered my passport and the case was solved. After the weekend I went to VISA and got a new VISA-card, took out money and went to the bar and payed the bill. They even reduced the bill with almost 1000 bath because they'd discovered the total was wrong!I agree with most of the writers here. When you live in a big town anything can happen! Just don't be drunk & stupid and NEVER insult a thai male. There is a culture here for "not loosing face" and that you have to take VERY seriously.
In Isan each saturday there are several clashes between youngsters from different villages. A young friend of mine had to spend a month in jail for beating up another young guy. The judicial system works in Thailand as elsewhere in the world, but of course, if you visit Patpong in the night you must expect everything. Many of the security guys down there are former policemen with VERY good contacts within the force.
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Life is dangerous.
What is your solution to that?
Stay unborned or kill u-self might be a solution. But what the ######, life is mostly nice and then sometimes like shit. What can we do about it?
Nice that the statistics (mentioned on 1. page) shows that Norway wasn't even included in the top 25 murder list. I don't think we really know much about knives and weapon and stuff in this country.
Surprised to see los as no. 14. Well, myself I've been "fooling" around in Bangkok several times. Never saw an incident, neither did I look for it. Some drunk englishmen though, but if you don't mention how fast they were thrown out of the European Championship everything is ok. No, that's a joke. All the englishmen I've met i Thailand have been utterly nice - and did a lot of fun, too !
I suppose that when you're in Thailand you do like the thais, smile and try act as polite as you can (even if you're pissed).
cheers
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Beware of John Tinic !
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Hello,
im am from Germany ! FGor one week i have met a girl from udon thani living in Germany for 4 years now !
I have never had a relationship with a girl from Thailand !
Can someone tell me how a Thai girl show her love ! Sniff kissing /homme etc.etc ??
She tells she loves me ! I have spoken with girlfriends of her and they all say she really loves me !!
Thanks
if you got the assurance from her friends why bother to ask??? and beside how can we know it we dont know her anyway ... but if you got $$$ they the chance is that she must love you
Bad, Vanessa, real bad.
Unicultural exhange of feelings isn't an easy one. It takes time, understanding of differences, patience and, not the least, courage to show feelings.
What is the purpose of this: "but if you got $$$ they the chance is that she must love you ", apart from beeing an ######? Do you know any thai women, at all?
Definitely a bad attitude towards other people; and possibly other races, too.
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Why do you bother to answer them, those provocative <deleted>..., GS? Is it maybe true that you are a troll, after all?
Oh, the old reverse phsycology trick eh?
That won't work with me evind, go and rub Thaiflyers chin.
No psychology trick here, GS, mere an effort to stop this neverending talks about who you are or not...
Cool it man, maybe I'm not following the discussion threads here (being norwegian and all) but do you recon' what it all started with. Interesting questions (the 10.000 bath thing) though. Who knows how to react to women's extremely interest in cash, VISA's, nice life and so on.
Let's have a couple of beers together when in los?
Bytheway..., what the f... do you mean by: "go and rub Thaiflyers chin".
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It's still a complete mystery why the finger is pointed at me when people sniff a troll. I have yet to troll and to be honest, I don't think I ever will.
You've got previous form Scampi
No Stocky I do not f***ing well have previous form.
Why do you bother to answer them, those provocative <deleted>..., GS? Is it maybe true that you are a troll, after all?
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Now listen here
How much money I have or don't have is not the issue. In fact, she has little idea of my financial standing and that was very deliberate. I think the reason for that is obvious but for those of you without an imagination, I keep my money secret so that I can be reasonably sure of a relationship based on love and mutual understanding rather that one based on money... is that too difficult to grasp?
Ive through this same crap many timesWell I'm sorry Mr Falong, don't let me waste any more of your time
Around 3 yearsBTW how long have you been with this girl??Dashing Chap.........wouldnt like to be in your shoes if you dont give her the money and then turn up at the village in your BMW!So, in having a Thai wife/girlfriend, I have to forefeit any dreams/plans/adventures... sell my car and give it all to the family... become a prisoner in the village and hand complete control of my finances to someone with the fiscal skills of a monkey.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. I'm sorry I don't have time in my busy life to sift through all the 'crap' that Mr Falong speaks of. Mods, please close, I came here for advice, not to exchange personal insults with strangers.
Why did ye post the question anyway if ye didn't want any answers? After all a forum is a forum. Everybody may want to contribute...
I think you came up with the answer yourself. You don't want to give her more money! OK, say No then...
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how about you tell her how you feel?
How about you tell HIM how you feel (about his ex...)?
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It is measured in $$$ so just keep plenty and you will be loved forever.
When she has more than you, you will be loved a little less and may be replaced with a up scale model.
Sad, sad, sad, Khun. have some bad experiences?
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Hello,
im am from Germany ! FGor one week i have met a girl from udon thani living in Germany for 4 years now !
I have never had a relationship with a girl from Thailand !
Can someone tell me how a Thai girl show her love ! Sniff kissing /homme etc.etc ??
She tells she loves me ! I have spoken with girlfriends of her and they all say she really loves me !!
Thanks
Don't be afraid, HugoBoss. (kein angst, mein freund).
My wife's in Norway now (with me), but has lived in Ubon Ratchathani after our marriage in Norway 2 years ago. She is the most honest care-taking woman I've ever met! But she don't like to kiss, mysteriously... She's 34 and consider herself to be "an old woman". I'll be 50 (Feb. 2005) and wondered, when I met her 3,5 years ago, if I maybe was to old for her...
But look out for the typical warnings: "want money all the time" (always someone in the family sick), "want to buy land". family members asking for small/large payment for something you don't know about, etc.
You figure it out, HugoBoss. Use your inuition and always be firm, but polite! After all it isn't easy to be couples from two far distant cultures.
Another thing. I think a thai woman mean different for us north-europeans when saying "I love you". North-Europe may have a stronger commitment to the words.
eivind
(former anthropologist)
I regret to say it, but this is just b.s. Full of prejudice and whatever worse. Police I've met in different circumstances, even trying to help some stupid drunken farangs (in Pattaya some years ago), were polite and decent. But I try not to loose control when I are out having some beers.
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What's this? I signed in with my username and password. Got an error saying that the user (eivind) doesn't exist...
Nice you doing this for the members, though.