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One family discovered they were being moved to east Germany, to Heidenau near Dresden. They didn’t want to go, but they didn’t want to try and play the system in their new home.

Too early to try and play the system in their new home country, but just wait a little longer till the GUESTS will up the DEMANDS.

Lets all go to Syria and start demanding free housing and social security.

Go ahead, give it a try. Let us know how that works out for you.

Not big on sarcasm are you!!

unhappy with their new home?? guess they could always return to Syria, I'm sure 90% of the Germans wouldn't mind if they did.

life is never easy and I'm not sure what these people expected when they arrived in Europe but some of them will be in for a real shock as not everyone will make them welcome that's for sure. the world should have help sorted the problem in Syria first and not let refugees spread across Europe, as all they have done is created another problem in Europe now.

Maybe that was Putin's plan all along when he threw a spanner in the works.

You mean the military build up he started last week?

I think know the migrant problem has been going on much longer than that.

Seriously, the middle east is such a F**ked up situation, the Russian military build up in Syria actually makes us ALLIES! Since we are not at war with Syria, and we are infact at war (of sorts) with Syria's enemies (or at least the ruler of Syrias' enemies, ISIS, for the official score cards) that makes Syrias' allies, our allies. Strange bedfellows indeed!!

To save you time typing, I realize we are not Assad's friend, and we are helping any of his enemies we can find that don't want to kill us MORE than they want to kill Assad, AND that WE can stomach helping (since, like, you know, they were ALL dancing in the streets when the planes struck the WTC).

Addiction will make people do the most irrational things.

If the spanner you referred to was Putin's agreeing to remove the chemical weapons from Syria a few years ago, then you are playing the long game, and I don't have the brain power to keep up, I just don't see the connection. Realistically I know they are related, none of the major players has changed, so we are still in the same chess game, but if Putin agreed to remove and dispose of Chemical weapons from Syria, I don't see how that was a play to inundate Europe with refugees today.

I see a lot of people on the fence here... if you don't know if this rises to the level of Paedophilia or not, let me just ask... if a 30 something guy that was your daughters teacher, was <deleted> your 15 year old daughter, would you be so pedantic about the labels?

Personally, I would break every bone in his body. Let the courts figure out if its assault or self defense.

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This is another gum bashing event, the way forward is not with 6 instructions and it is not with pressure from the military, the terrorist couldn't give a toss about what the Army Chief say's , it is time that Thailand bit the bullet in this crises and started some meaningful ways to move forward, not the failed bossy attitude that has prevailed so far, whether the terrorists are interested in any meaningful dialog after the treatment of Muslims by the Thaksin Shinawatra Government is a problematic point. Verdict: More of the same. width=32 alt=coffee1.gif>

The Thaksin Shinawatra Government's policy towards Southern Thailand was supportive of the Thai Military suppression against the Muslims in order to preserve the santity of Thailand's sovereignty and Buddhist faith. But the Yingluck took a more circumspective view of the issue, removed the military from negotiations with the insurgents, and offered dialog for autonomy. That did get the insurgent's attention and their attacks dropped dramatically.

But then followed the anti-government protest movement and suspected vilification by the military against the Yingluck regime from losing its ability to control the autonomy issue (never give in to loss of sovereignty), the Yingluck regime tabled negotiations to cope with its own survival. Now the Thailand nation is essentially back to where it was before Yingluck: the military and Thailand government (now under the military control) oppose any loss of sovereignty in negotiaions and look to only a military solution to the Muslim issues. The Philippines government was able to get off this same kind of merry-go-round and after 40 years of armed confllict with their Muslim insurgents to achieve peace through autonomy.

Unfortunately the Thai military has no truly new solutions and continues to employ officers who carry no credibility in negotiations from the insurgent's perspective. The solution is political and Thailand has a regime that follows military doctrine (you win or you lose-you do not retreat from the enemy) that is imcompatible with political doctrine (the best solution is where both sides lose).

(the best solution is where both sides lose)

No damn wonder everybody hates politicians! Aside from being complelely worthless that is.

A little less crying over trafficking as a criminal justice issue and more understanding of trafficking as a migration / population issue will be better in the long run. The real problem is a world population that will reach 8 billion by 2020 - and fewer unskilled jobs than ever before. Some families survive based on whomever can find some work will work. These workers under 18 might be orphans or have escaped - yes escaped - from a refugee camp. The factory owners / managers may have been kind in their own way by supplying some food and not expected a lot of physical labor. We don't know. We have to be careful to fully understand what is happening in each case. In the future we all face there will likely be many unusual arrangements that may appear horrible or look like slavery to the kind hearted suburban do gooders who have never missed a meal. But what looks horrible to some might be the best people can find for themselves in the poorest outposts around the world. While first world suburban housewives pitch in to save "victims" though NGOs and American demands, a rich history already exists of poor people being sent back to situations far worse than they were "rescued" from. The real story of trafficking is highly exaggerated and even distorted. Trafficking laws, like visas and fences, are used as a way to control people. Those people could some day be us!

Wow, I would really like to know what the hell alternate universe you live in! I have not ever, EVER, run across "owners / managers may have been kind in their own way... supplying food, and not expecting... physical labor." &lt;deleted&gt;!!!! When have you EVER come across this?!@?!?! Even the &lt;deleted&gt; POPE thinks people need to sacrifice for what they recieve, let alone some nameless, avaricious, unsuperviesed sack of shit!

"In the future we all face there will likely be many unusual arrangements that may appear horrible or look like slavery to the kind hearted suburban do gooders who have never missed a meal."

Well, if they appear horrible, or look like slavery... guess what... they are horible and or are slavery! Just because some housewife doesn't have to perform those tasks, does not make her incapable of judging horror / slavery.

You are an idiot and an appologist.

I have heard this argument many times before. You or any of us,do not know the extent of this mans,problems or suffering,and indeed his state of mind,or his state of health,

I guess you are at the stage of life of a young man,not too experienced, but still think they know it all! who deserves the respect is debatable,there was no one

there to help him,so no prizes or bunches of flowers are necessary, personally I don't think it's cowardly to commit suicide,but you or I wouldn't know that ,unless

you tried it! at that point cowardice may take on a whole new meaning.

And there are also some justifications,i.e incurable illness,a slow painful death,nothing or nobody left to live for, and finally would a person being tortured: also be

a coward for choosing suicide? life is more complex than forming macho opinions!

I must admit my level of vitriol is usually reserved for PARENTS who commit suicide prior to completing their commitments. However, that still does not completely absolve individuals without commitments. I acknowledge those with chronic conditions, and/or painfull paths to an assured grave, and indeed I am in favor of euthenasia laws.

But without mitigating circumstances, suicide is a cowardly path.

I will not avail myself of your proffered path of absolution, I am not a young man unknowing of lifes complexities. Alas I am also not a wizened geriatirac with the patience of Job. I am left to navigate the unknown, with what I have been taught, and what I can learn, but these are not "Macho Opinions", these are the results of the surety that 'you only live once'! Those that insult that trueism, by killing themselfs, inspire reaction.

Hmmm! "and indeed I am in favor of euthenasia laws" so in your view assisted suicide is alright then,but not suicide unassisted! how strange!

Not strange at all. Euthenasia laws require you to convince at least one other person (perhaps even a court) that you should die. If you do not see that as enough distinction between the two situations so be it. I am not here to persuade you, and indeed I do not care if you agree.

Lets face it, paying what you owe IF you are caught is no disincentive, its window dressing. Even the paltry 200k OR year in jail (maybe, if you can't buy your way out for much less) is no impediment.

A significant disincentive must be put in place:

First offence, you must pay an auditor full salary (as a percentage of revenue) to oversee your operation for 10 years. The auditor may be either the person that reported the violation, or if it was just a random police enforcement action, the auditor can be appointed by the court/police. The business owner may NOT be his own auditor, anyone finding this situation is immediately installed as business owner.

Second offence, Whomever reports the child labor is awarded ownership of the company employing the child labor. do not pass go, do not collect 200B, again the owner can not be the reporter, if he is, a new owner is selected by the courts.

I'm sure there are ways to corrupt what I have set out here, but the bigger idea is to put in place massive losses for violating the law, while at the same time putting in place incentives to report and enforce the law.

Sorry for the late reply, but there is another way to skin this cat. You can cascade two routers. The main advantage as I see it is flexibility, since the second device is just a standard wi-fi router if you don't need this configuration anymore (or your main router dies) you have a standard router you can put into service until the broken one is replaced. The second way this is more flexible is the network configuration. You can decide between two distinct wi-fi networks or one continuous network. With the first, you would have a 192.168.1.0 network in the house, and a 192.168.2.0 network in the backyard. In the second config you would just have a 192.168.1.0 network broadcast from both routers, so that you can take your tablet or phone and walk from inside to outside, and the switch between routers is seamless. You also get ethernet ports so you can use wired ethernet in the backyard if you like.

I am not familiar with range extenders or access points, so they may be able to do the same things, at least an access point might I don't think range extenders can. The network numbers are just for example, you can configure anyway you decide.

If you want a proper guide on this look here:

http://www.wikihow.com/Cascade-Routers

and a clearer, easier to follow write up from linksys here:

http://kb.linksys.com/Linksys/ukp.aspx?pid=80&vw=1&articleid=3733

If it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features!

Thanks for the replies thus far. I've done a little research. I'll be in Los Angeles. T-Mobile offers prepaid service. They will ship the SIM card to Thailand so it can be used upon arrival. I need to determine the type of SIM card; i.e. SIM, micro SIM, or nano SIM after buying the mobile.

All 3 mobiles I'm interested in have 900 and 1800 MHz frequencies. One of them also supports 850 and 1900 MHz.

I copied this from T-Mobile website where it talks about EDGE @ 1700 MHz.

• T-Mobile’s network currently only supports GSM-compatible phones.
• Only 3G phones that support the 1700-MHz band are compatible (not all 3G phones support it). If you own a 3G phone that does not support the 1700-MHz band, it will operate at 2G (EDGE) speeds on our network.

Are the 3 Nokias "GSM compatible"?

It also talks about 3G/2G, 1700 MHZ, etc.

What does all this mean? Can I use one of the 3 Nokias I'm interested in?

Thanks again for all the help.

Of the three phones you are looking at, only the one that "also supports 850 and 1900 MHz" will work in both Thailand and North America.

All three phones will be GSM phones, and as such will need a SIM card (CDMA does not use a SIM card, but you probably won't find any CDMA phones for sale here in Thailand, and if you buy one in the US it will be unuseable here) but as I said, only the one that supports all 4 frequencies will work in both locations.

As far as pre paid SIM cards go, I usually buy ATT because I'll be damned if I'm going to pay $10 to T-mobile for a piece of plastic that costs .000001cents to make (Take note, T-mobile has upped the price to $15). Just for the privilege of buying air time on their network! Sorry, I get pissed off about it everytime I think about cell service in the US. I have long thought of buying a sim from e-bay... they are available for a more reasonable 2-3 bucks, sometimes with airtime loaded.

BTW, this is straight off the ATT website about what your phone must support for use with them:

Phone Requirements: AT&T Multi-band GSM, UMTS, or LTE Phone or unlocked Multi-band GSM Phone (850/1900 MHz), UMTS Phone (850/1900 MHz), or LTE Phone (Band 2 1900 MHz / Band 4 1700 MHz / Band 5 800 MHz / Band 17 700 MHz).

BTW, this in no way should be taken as an endorsement of ATT... I hate them with a passion. But both t-mob and att are piss poor value in my opinion, but the att sim is 'only' $5. Both companies minutes "expire", even though they are prepaid, and as such are much more expensive on a per minute basis than what is advertised. The advertised per minute price, is only the lowest price it could possibly cost.

Download Linux Tails and make a bootable USB stick. Boot ANY computer from that, and do your banking. When you shut down there will be no hint of your presence on the computer you used, and Tails is about as secure as you are going to find for the actual connection.

Read further here...

https://tails.boum.org/

and act accordingly.

Interesting but doesn't seem good for banking. Bank sites notice when you change computers. They expect the same "home computer" every time and if they don't see it, they demand additional authentication each time.

Well, I'm not sure if its geared towards the homosexual community or not (not from your post I realize, but...) but additional verification should really not be viewed as a 'bad thing' should it?

Now for the longer reply. I am not sure I agree banks notice when you change computers, ISP's, especially cable providers oftent do by monitoring the MAC addr, but it is not my experience that banks do. I do know for a fact that they look at the geolocation of your IP, which, since this uses the TOR network, will likely change a lot, possibly prompting additional security questions.

But again, how is that a bad thing? If you do not remember your 'additional' security questions it could be quite the PITA, but all that takes is a phone call to the 800 number to sort it (been there done that) It is a less convinient thing, but usually the more security the less convinience.

Again, the OP is willing to set up a new computer to do his banking, this is a "New" computer on a USB stick, designed for security.

Download Linux Tails and make a bootable USB stick. Boot ANY computer from that, and do your banking. When you shut down there will be no hint of your presence on the computer you used, and Tails is about as secure as you are going to find for the actual connection.

Read further here...

https://tails.boum.org/

and act accordingly.

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Please show a little respect and sensitivity when posting. A man has died and deserves a little respect as I hope you would show for any person.

Do not use this as an opportunity for petty snipes and sarcastic comment aimed at the RTP.

11) You will not post slurs, degrading or overly negative comments directed towards Thailand, specific locations, Thai institutions such as the judicial or law enforcement system, Thai culture, Thai people or any other group on the basis of race, nationality, religion, gender or sexual orientation.

NO. A man has not died and is deserving of respect. A man killed himself and deserves no respect. He has abandoned all who knew him, and he is a coward. he deserves no respect. His Family, and those who knew him deserve the respect.

I have heard this argument many times before. You or any of us,do not know the extent of this mans,problems or suffering,and indeed his state of mind,or his state of health,

I guess you are at the stage of life of a young man,not too experienced, but still think they know it all! who deserves the respect is debatable,there was no one

there to help him,so no prizes or bunches of flowers are necessary, personally I don't think it's cowardly to commit suicide,but you or I wouldn't know that ,unless

you tried it! at that point cowardice may take on a whole new meaning.

And there are also some justifications,i.e incurable illness,a slow painful death,nothing or nobody left to live for, and finally would a person being tortured: also be

a coward for choosing suicide? life is more complex than forming macho opinions!

I must admit my level of vitriol is usually reserved for PARENTS who commit suicide prior to completing their commitments. However, that still does not completely absolve individuals without commitments. I acknowledge those with chronic conditions, and/or painfull paths to an assured grave, and indeed I am in favor of euthenasia laws.

But without mitigating circumstances, suicide is a cowardly path.

I will not avail myself of your proffered path of absolution, I am not a young man unknowing of lifes complexities. Alas I am also not a wizened geriatirac with the patience of Job. I am left to navigate the unknown, with what I have been taught, and what I can learn, but these are not "Macho Opinions", these are the results of the surety that 'you only live once'! Those that insult that trueism, by killing themselfs, inspire reaction.

That's an interesting question for me because I was in the epicenter of the PC industry from the start. I guess I missed Window 1.0 as I was using a Radio Shack TRS-80 ("Trash 80") with TRS-DOS operating system at that time. I think so anyway. Perhaps starting with Windows 2.0? But not sure ... the fog of computer wars.

Talking to "kids today" about the early days of personal computing is pretty hilarious. Sure makes me feel old but they're gonna have the same experience later themselves ... with their ancient smartphone memories.

Speaking of memories ... remember when computers didn't connect to the internet? Forget the web ... no connection at all!

You're as old as I am if you remember this.....

Ahhh, the heady days of dialing into the WOPR for a nice game of "Global Thermonuclear War"!!! :-)

Lemme guess your phone made the dialing noises like the dial was spinning, even though you pressed one button right!! :-)

Hell I remember we had to walk to school and back home... up hill... both ways!

But seriously, I remember the phone! (never used a sonic coupler type modem though!)

Trafficking does not exist in Thailand. Everybody is now happy <<< c.f. Gen. Prayuth 11/11/2014

The place was busted on Gen. Prayuth's watch.. I wonder how long it had been operating under Shinawatra watch? There were reports then of the police taking them BACK to receive a payment!

Who knows... but we know it was operating for 6 MONTHS under the generals watch. And they only busted it when a few of the slaves escaped. So what was your point again?

Does anyone sell/install proper skylights in Bangkok?

Maybe even more important, does anyone PROPERLY install skylights!!! (in BKK)

You're obviously pretty slow, so I will use small words for you.

The bold text above, is a quote from you.

The bold text above, clearly indicates an opinion about the legal situation.

So the conversation you were involved in WAS about the crime.

Either you don't understand the words that are coming out of your own keyboard, or you're taking the piss.

If you think "... died from some medical complication" constitutes "discussing the nature of the medical condition" you are dumber than you sound.

You appear to have personal issues and a problem controlling your emotions, based on threat of violence against the attackers rather than caring for the child as you indicated in an another post.

Your out-of-control emotions and hostility appears to be clouding whatever reasoning you were born with.

I can't make this any clearer for you. Of course you can't, you're not very bright, and you are wrong.

My question was of a medical nature, it concerned the time frame involved between the assault and when swelling finally started over a day later and when she died two days later. It was a question as to why the first hospital exam and x-ray did not identify a serious issue. It was a question about the 2nd hospital's practice of placing numerous tubes which filled her mouth (and which possibly went into her throat) and the description of her throat swelling while those tubes were in situ. It was a question about medical practices that may or may not have contributed to her death. It was not a post suggesting the attackers were guilty or innocent.

I typically do not make such assumptions of guilt or innocence based on the sketchy and one-sided details we have available in one news article. Unlike yourself who is ready to kill based on same news article.

Since you appear to only want to start problems and you are not wanting to discuss the medical aspects of her assault, there is really no reason for you to waste any more of my time. Run along will ya?

Well, I guess you are even dumber than you sound. You question my comprehension, and yet you think I said I was ready to kill over this?? I said if this happened to ME I would kill. Very big difference, lost on the stupid.

I quoted you not discussing the irrelevant medical complications you think you were "discussing". I don't see anywhere in your previous posts where you mention these issues. I will generously give you one more chance to cite them or you are lying, and as I said, dumber than you sound thinking that these issues are encapsulated within your short comment.

You are right about one thing though. I do not want to discuss the medical aspects of the assault. First and foremost, this article is not about her medical treatment. Her medical treatment is also completely irrelevant. It has no bearing on the crimes outlined, which, by the way, for the slow like you, IS what this article is about. Even if the Dr. that treated her had strangled her in the ER, the guy that hit her with the bamboo stick is still guilty of her murder.

If you can not grasp these concepts, you really should leave these discussions to the adults. Children should be seen and not heard, in your case.

Nothing in my post suggested the assumption you have made.

My post had nothing to do with the legalities of the assailants guilt or innocence.

My post was of a medical nature and wondered about the victims onset of death.

I did not mean to offend you by calling you American. However, it is not much of an assumption since you have, in this very thread, as much as said you are.

Your post had nothing to do with legalities... really? "This poor man watched his wife assaulted in front of his very eyes. (I will refrain from saying murdered since the description of events seems to leave open the possibility she died from some medical complication)."

The conversation you involved yourself in seems to be above your comprehension level.

I will state this one last time. The conversation I was involved in was not about the crime, it was a discussion of the nature of the medical condition the victim of the violent assault succumbed to.

I can't make it any more clear.

You're obviously pretty slow, so I will use small words for you.

The bold text above, is a quote from you.

The bold text above, clearly indicates an opinion about the legal situation.

So the conversation you were involved in WAS about the crime.

Either you don't understand the words that are coming out of your own keyboard, or you're taking the piss.

If you think "... died from some medical complication" constitutes "discussing the nature of the medical condition" you are dumber than you sound.

Bold words. Bold thoughts. Do you have the bottle?

I must admit I am unfamiliar with this particular turn of phrase. If you mean can I walk the talk, the only thing I can say is... you never know until you are actually faced with the situation. However, in my past experience I have both won and lost against long odds (and for smaller stakes to boot!)

I can say for dead certain, that would be my reaction. I am quite sure I would carry it to conclusion. One thing I did not say, this is all in leu of a proper police investigation and prosecution. I am not for barbarism nor chaos. But justice should be served one way or the other.

Really? CC you seem to be from the USA, so you should be well aware that if someone dies while you are committing a crime (say an old timer has a heart attack when you stick up the local bank) you are gulty of murder. Its not premeditated, but that person would be alive if you did not hold up that bank. THEREFORE YOU killed them. SAME SAME with the wife. There is no indication she would be dead if she had not been hit with a wooden stick, therefore the blow killed her. Therefore the person who struck her murdered her. Furthermore, you can not claim that bringing a wooden club to a confrontation and using it on someones head is not premeditated. Therefore this person is guilty of premeditated murder... take your hand wringing "oh, we don't know WHAT caused her to die..." BS and <deleted>.

Now as for this case. I am not a parent, and I am having a great deal of difficulty trying to account for the son. That being said, my first reaction would be to wipe out the entire family. Unless they help me find and kill the father and older brother. They aided them in the assault by hindering the falang, as far as I would care they are dead. I would use all my money to find them... but I would want to kill them myself.

I'm with you man. Can't believe some of the cowardly advice being dished out here: Sure, just run back to the home country, tail between legs. After some cretin raped your wife and then brought around his father to kill her right in front of your eyes? I'd be after blood. First I'd make sure my son was In a safe place, then go for some justice. First within the law. If that failed then outside it.

Some men think they can rape and, if confronted, just kill the victim. These scum count on their victims family getting scared & running away. Which only emboldens them in the future. A stand must be taken against this sense of impunity or it will never die out.

Most posters here recognize their first priority is to be there as their son grows up and provide guidance and love--rather than to exact vengeance on the kilers and leave an orphan to the world.

It has nothing to do with the level of anger anyone feels about this injustice.

Yes, I do as well, that is what I meant by having a great deal of difficulty accounting for the son. I know that is the overriding priority, but I can not feel it.

"I'd return it (still new enough) but don't have the receipt."

What country did you buy it in... because even if you had the reciept, you wouldn't be returning it in Thailand!

caveat emptor!

What's white and flies through the air?

The coming of the Lord!

Rushing to close OFF the gas valves?

So these things drive around with open valves, containing LPG.

And when driving with bald tires, which we all know they do.

Heaven forbid.

Happy Loy Kratong everybody.

BUT what surprises me more: no one smoked close by

would not have mattered... Thai LPG is highly INflammable!! Not sure why they were concerned about an explosion in the first place!!

INflammable is the same thing as flammable so those little avatars are laughing AT you.

Whats far more interesting is the reason for the gas leak and how it is connected to a flat tire.

DOH!!! Son of a Mo7h3r$$Q{Ping female dog in heat!!!!