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7 minutes ago, James105 said:

So your position is that a nutcase with a hammer can kill as many kids as a nutcase with a high powered semi automatic rifle with thousands of bullets?  I can only presume this is parody at this point?  

nah.. my position is its a tool and this nutcase would have used whatever was available to do his bidding.. have a nice day.

12 minutes ago, James105 said:

This was your question:

 

"So your position is if the nutcase didn't have access to guns none of this would happen?"

 

I clearly answered it by saying:

 

"It seems that he could not obtain any gun until the law allowed him to.   So yeah I think if he was not allowed to buy the gun there would be 19 kids and 2 teachers alive today.    What do you think?"

 

Ok so now you have moved onto hammers (somewhat ridiculously) but let's go with that.   If the nutcase could only obtain a hammer to carry out his killing spree how many kids do you think he would have killed?   The police did not confront the nutcase for an hour as they were scared of getting shot by his high powered rifle, even wearing body armour.  Do you think they would have been equally scared if he only had a hammer or do you think the reason they were so scared of the gunman is because he was in possession of a legally obtained semi automatic rifle?

Well he had 60 minutes before the police entered the building, my guess would be all of them.

10 minutes ago, JCauto said:

"God-given rights" - you have none. You have rights that were codifed under the constitution. It was written by men, not God. Many of the men were explicitly not religious and this was one of the major attractions of their starting their new country. This is why the separation of church and state was written into that document.

The evidence is clear, the assault gun ban worked. Here it is, not a BS source, University of Tennessee, just published. 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0002961022002057

You do not have constitutional rights, you just have rights.  We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.  Unalienable: not capable of being repudiated.

Come and take it!

23 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Gun owners don't have God given rights. When you provide evidence to the contrary on the links I've supplied feel free to get back to me

Come and take it.  /Texas

1 minute ago, James105 said:

I didn't realise that God himself wrote the second amendment.   This changes everything.   

Just to clarify, the 2nd amended is a restriction on the US government not an individuals rights.  Maybe you should give it a read.

20 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I think that those people are dead is a tragedy.

 

Many more kids are killed by teenaged drivers than by mass shootings, why not raise the age of driving to 21? 

I like to use another good example, many many more children are killed by drunk drivers.  I don't hear anyone suggesting we ban cars or alcohol.  

14 minutes ago, James105 said:

Indeed it is a tragedy, but you chose to answer an unrelated question that you presumably asked yourself rather than the one I posed.   Let's try again.   Do you think those 19 kids and 2 adults would be dead today if that nutcase could not "legally" obtain his semi automatic rifle?  

So your position is if the nutcase didn't have access to guns none of this would happen?

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Stricter gun laws will save lives. Those are the facts not opinions:

 

Mass shootings tripled when the assault weapon ban ended in 2004.

 

States with weaker gun laws have higher rates of firearm related homicides and suicides, study finds

 

Common sense gun safety laws bring down gun crime by 40 percent.

 

Instead of bringing up a new generation of kids normalised to their teachers carrying weapons and reinforcing the gun culture from an early age then you've not only gone down a slippery road you've just fallen off the cliff.

 

 

How many lives will be lost when the left attempts to take away gun owners god given rights?  How many is too many?  Will you participate in the gun round up?  

2 minutes ago, heybruce said:

The present Republican Party in now way represents the historical Republican Party.  If you don't know that, then you don't know what the traditional Republican Party was until very recently.  Which is probably why you don't know what a Republican In Name Only is.

Absolute nonsense but you are welcome to you opinion.  Have a nice day!

3 minutes ago, heybruce said:

That highly unusual event does not disprove my post.

LOL.. its actually much more common than you think but since you have already made up your mind..  How many times have you been proven correct in this "theory"?

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The system's already broken if you expect teachers to carry guns. Most teachers do not want this, thats not why they joined the profession, they also do not want to take the blame if there is a mass shooting and they were unable to prevent it. 

No one is expected to carry a gun, the program is completely voluntary.  So you speak for most teachers?

14 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Why bring up examples over 100 years old?  You could point out that ten years ago the Republican Party supported free trade, a tough on Russia policy, and minimal government interference with business (none of the current Ron DeSantis-Mickey Mouse stuff).

 

That Republican Party has changed completely, hasn't it?  I consider Trump Republicans to be major RINO's.

History is history no matter how much you hate it.. RINO's.. you obviously don't know the definition.

9 minutes ago, heybruce said:

A teacher with a hand gun might have been able to stop someone with a semi-automatic assault rifle, but it's unlikely.  If the assault rifle had not been available this definitely wouldn't have happened.

And you would be wrong.. ????Armed female bystander kills man firing at party in West Virginia - BBC News

On 5/26/2022 at 3:23 AM, jvs said:

Maybe a little bit of topic but i am going to ask it anyway,to the Americans here.

If,just if,the law was changed and you are no longer allowed to own a gun,would you comply and hand in your gun?

How would it change your life?

Remember if.

My guess would be civil war.

On 5/26/2022 at 11:39 PM, JCauto said:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/may/25/joe-biden/joe-biden-said-mass-shootings-tripled-when-assault/

Once the assault rifle ban between 1994-2004 ended, mass shootings more than tripled. While it is impossible to scientifically demonstrate the link, the evidence is overwhelming both within and outside of the USA. Access to more guns and more destructive guns leads to exponentially more deaths.

That entire article is BS.  The fact is prior to all these so called "fact checkers" rewriting history there was no discernable difference between before and after the law.  I remember law well.. it was absolutely a farce.  It banned flash suppressors, certain stocks, etc.. it simply required you to modify the gun so it looked different.... manufacturers simply made a modification to their weapons to comply with the new law... hear this.  It was the EXACT same weapon only slightly modified.

On 5/25/2022 at 8:49 PM, Walker88 said:

We have a Party in the US that hates democracy and the entire Constitution, except for one single Amendment. That party would destroy everything the country could and should be, so long as they retain power and control. That party calls guns and gun ownership 'patriotic', when that party is the polar opposite of patriotism. They are jingoists, not patriots who believe in real democracy and freedom.

 

Some members of that Party actually sent out Christmas cards and Easter greetings where their entire family, including kids, stood in front of symbols of those holidays while brandishing the same style of weapons this latest killer used ripping apart children's bodies.

 

I have my doubts there is a cure or a vaccine for that kind of sickness.

Funny, the party you say hates democracy voted to free slaves, give them votes, give women the right to vote.  Your party voted against all these freedoms and yet here you are saying that "your" party was on the right side of history.

On 5/26/2022 at 1:43 PM, ozimoron said:

They came close, they want to arm teachers.

 

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/02/590308832/who-wants-to-arm-teachers-republican-men

Its already legal for teachers to be armed in Texas as well as many other states.  If we would have had an armed teacher in Uvalde then this might not have happened.

On 5/26/2022 at 3:01 PM, jvs said:

The real blame imo goes to every US citizen who is not willing to change this ridiculous

law.

Many more innocent children will be shot before things change,if they ever will.

Blood on the hands of every one who is pro the 2nd amemdment.

 

That's because we consider it a god given right.. if you want to change it you will have to do so by force.

On 5/25/2022 at 6:07 PM, wombat said:

Tweak the social media algorithm to pick up on guns rifles & ammo.

Red flag them to local law for a chat and a confiscation.

With the countries south of the border those that want weapons will get them.

The protagonist in these shootings are all ratbags who advertise on social media.

Guns don't kill people...people kill people 

From what I have been reading this kid was already on law enforcements radar but no one did a thing.

On 5/28/2022 at 7:47 AM, Jingthing said:

If there had been effective red flag laws in effect this guy would have been blocked.

There is a lot of information coming out that this kid has been previously arrested.. there were plenty of red flags, no new law was needed.  If law enforcement had done its job we probably wouldn't be in this situation today.

On 5/25/2022 at 7:07 AM, Phoenix Rising said:

The 2nd amendment must be removed from the US constitution and semi-automatic weapons must be banned. All banned weapons must be handed in against compensation from the government.

That, as a minimum, should be the first step in weaning the US public off weapons of war.

Never going to happen without a civil war.

19 hours ago, bannork said:

You say guns don't kill people, people kill people but you're omitting the blindingly obvious- a gun kills a lot quicker than a knife.

The shooter in the school in Texas, how many could he have killed using a knife before he was overpowered? Probably none because killing with a knife is harder and much more personal.

Guns are lethal anonymous weapons, if you  continue to grant the general population easy access to them, then mass shootings will continue in the land of the 'free'. 

 

Does being killed by a knife make you any less dead?

Me as well.. what years were you living in Singapore?  I lived there from 2006 to 2011.

Kurt

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Go with the latest surgery they offer.. I want to say I paid 3500 in 2013 for the procedure with lifetime corrections if needed.

Kurt