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FINALLY AFTER 17 YEARS...the murderer -Annupong Sutthani- of Dutch businessman JULES ODEKERKEN has been arrested.
I can't find any news on Thaivisa though ?
Old link, also in English, created by the family of Jules Odekerken:
to be followed
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16 hours ago, balo said:
The biggest mistake of his life was to use a Thai bank account for his business. It doesnt matter if he sells legal drugs in Holland , or if he sell cars. The money from customers was transfered to Thailand. Millions of baht. A BIG mistake. If he had kept the money in Holland and paid his taxes, he would still be a wealthy man.
This is greed, and he ssked for it.
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Do you have a source for what you wrote? HOW did he transfer the money? With bags and suitcases full of cash to the bank and said: "hey can you transfer this to Thailand for me...?" not a chance..maybe via shady banks in Belgium, Luxembourg or Germany but not in Holland.
He went to Thailand already since 2008....that's 11 years ago. The prosecutor started to write to Thailand in 2014...
But I agree with you that he should have paid his taxes to the last penny....GREED took over like many other people who're so smart not to pay taxes.
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19 hours ago, ukrules said:
You're forgetting about the 20 million Euro that he is being paid by his own government.
Nothing has been paid by the Dutch authorities yet and IF they will compensate him, whatever the amount, the money will likely not be handed to Van Laarhoven but used to pay his taxes he owes to the Taxman still...the story hasn't ended yet.
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5 hours ago, Thaifriends said:
Dutch drug dealer. What else should get?
Astonished to read sympathetic comments
IMO a drugs dealer is someone who deals, buys and sells illegal (soft) or hard drugs from one source to another in large quantities.
But Van Laarhoven had 4 official and legalized, so called "coffeeshops" in Holland. Every coffeeshop is entitled to keep 500grams of cannabis/marihuana/hash per day behind the counter to sell to individuals at a max of 5gr/person/per day.
THAT IS LEGAL !
The authorities know exactly who those individuals are and who own the coffeeshops.
Nothing illegal and no drug dealers.
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53 minutes ago, smedly said:
when you hide money from the tax authority in your home country then move it to a foreign country you are breaking the law in both countries - there are international agreements across the world put in place to prevent money laundering
If he had paid his taxes then he wouldn't have a problem although I do think the correct action for Thailand would have been to deport him back to the Netherlands - what Thailand is doing is excessive and rather suspect considering the amount of money involved
He lived in Thailand since 2008 and the whole case started in 2011 with the Prosecutor sending false info to Thailand in 2014.
There were negotiations going on between the Dutch tax boys and Van Laarhoven but so far he was not convicted as of yet. He was just a suspect, owing money to the Tax boys, so they say.
To speed up the process the fraudulent Prosecutor sent false (Drugs related) info to Thailand.
I personally know of a case where the Justice Department, by means of an almost "criminal" Prosecutor, sent also FALSE info to the bank and justice department in another country, and even in their own language (!) informing these local authorities (in Europe) that they wanted specific info and described the person as dangerous and that he was seriously involved in the drugs business....THAT WAS 100% FALSE AND UNTRUE INFO since that individual was a normal business man without any drugs involvement or connections whatsoever.
Result? The bank and justice department believed the Prosecutor and sent ALL information which they normally NEVER would have done WITHOUT letting the individual know on forehand or asking him about his situation and explanation of sources and assets.
The word "DRUGS" did all the damage as it did in Thailand...
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2 hours ago, Paul944 said:
He just made the mistake to transfer all his money to Thailand. The reason was simple he feared a huge fine from the Dutch tax office because most the money was probably not taxed yet.
The second mistake was also using his wives bank account. So this was an easy score for the Thai. Every money transfer was considered as a money laundry action and so they could seize it all.
So trying to outsmart the Dutch tax office he has lost everything. It is not easy to bribe your way out if they simply have seized all your assets. So I think his bank account in the Netherlands must be empty.
Most probable outcome is that he will be allowed to return to the Netherlands where he will be free because according Dutch law the penalty will be much less. But instead retiring in Thailand with his millions he will be poor in the Netherlands.
It is a good reminder never to transfer all your assets to a country like Thailand. And yes, this could also happen to offshore workers if their home country tax office would ask the Thai office for some information. And maybe next time at the immigration office people also has to show the origin of their 800,000 baht
I don't think so; the Thai authorities won't let him go unless they get guaranteed promises that Van Laarhoven+wife will still have to go to jail for an agreed period of time by the two Justice teams from Thailand and Holland who will discuss this in due course. I'm very curious what will happen to all the assets Thailand confiscated...
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8 hours ago, NanLaew said:
That's probably why his sentence has gotten progressively lighter. If he does only (another) 5 years which I consider highly likely, that's probably what he would have got for tax evasion anyway, no?
Anyhow, if he had a net worth in Thailand of at least 100 million baht, you would have thought some extraordinary private payments would have made this go away. I can't understand that it is only after 5 years of jail during trial and the final sentencing that the Dutch government comes over all apologetic and only after sentencing that this is making the front pages. Why the previous silence? Had he no relatives or friends?
That was because the Official Dutch OMBUDSMAN sent his report about the Van Laarhoven case only some time ago to the Dutch Government upon which it HAD to be decided to sent personal apologies to Thailand by the Dutch Mnister of Justice, a step he'd rather would have preferred NOT to do but he HAD TO DO it.
The case can be brought back to perspective since the Dutch Prosecutor (now removed to a lower level) sent FALSE info to Thailand upon which the Thai smelled a big fish....bad luck for Van Laarhoven and wife.
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8 hours ago, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said:
i wonder why this guy transfered to thailand so much money, from
an organised civillised country like holland.
it just does not make sense, propably also to thai courts, which made
them even more suspicious that he is trying to launder money.
having all this wealth in thailand makes you a direct target of both
criminal and authorities, corrupt or not.
i know some foreigners who run succesfull businesses here in thailand,
but move all their profits, legally, to other countries, just to stay safe.
they do it according to their thai wives advices, who tell them
they better not have "too much money" in thai bank.
this is true not only to thailand but to any corrupt third world country.
this dutch man was too naive...or under educated about how this
world works...or maybe too in love with his thai wife...???
I agree with you...where it not that Van Laarhoven probably didn't have much choice.
He couldn't have the weeds money income put in a Dutch bank since Dutch banks do NOT accept bankaccounts from individuals, when they know they're in the weed/hash business, whether it was/is legal or not.
That probably caused problems for him and he had to find other sources to stash his money.
If you're not financially educated abroad or don't know the financial specialists and accountants he was probably blind for eventual problems in Thailand. He should have hired the very best off-shore financial specialist who know how to deal with such kind of money.
I assume he did not and took most or all of the money to Thailand.
BIG MISTAKE
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10 hours ago, Boatfreak said:
Please be a good journalist and report the correct facts. He is sentenced for money laundering crime in the Netherlands. The soft drugs business was in the Netherlands and fully legal. A big f..ck up of the Dutch government.
That's incorrect! Thailand cannot sentence an individual for money laundering, Van Laarhoven did NOT commit in The Netherlands. THAT was not what the case was about. The prosecutor sent FALSE info the Thailand and Thailand considered the false info as truth and sentenced him for money laundering INSIDE Thailand; which was a farce since he did not launder money in Thailand. It was sent over legally from Holland to Thailand.
Avoiding, or not paying taxes abroad, is not a crime in Thailand and it was also NOT a crime in Holland....yet.
Remember, someone is innocent until prover guilty in HOLLAND!
What I heard, he was taxed in Holland for some Euro 20million, (Baht 680million) but these figures are not confirmed and I highly doubt that it's correct.
IMO, taxes due by Van Laarhoven, will be settled for a lot less...if he can still pay after the confiscation of all assets and money he had in Thailand. Who knows but Van Laarhoven and his brother...
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11 hours ago, domdom said:
Hello
Some posters here give the right info..
Big business of high level coffee shops in NL (legal business).. Sold his company and came to live here..
NL claimed there was tax issues.. His lawyers in NL were in contact with NL authorities and courts and he was supposed to go to NL to answer all questions beginning of August but was suddenly arrested end of july after a letter from the NL prosecutor was sent by somebody of the NL embassy to thai authorities.. speaking about drug.
All their properties have been seized immediately and apparently everything is already sold..
Recently the ombudsman in NL said the acting of NL government was totally wrong and things seem to be moving..
After they had no news from the NL embassy for years, they begin now to visit and follow the case..
His hope is to be sent back to NL ASAP.. but everything was blocked till after supreme court decision, so things may begin to move now
Nobody will give them back the years spent in jail, neither will the kids get back the years spent without the parents..
Have a nice day
There are speculations and rumors that Van Laarhoven+wife will be sent back to Holland before the so called "Prinsjesdag", which is on the third Tuesday of September 2019, September 18th, the day the Government presents their new plans for the coming fiscal year, presented by His Majesty The King Willem-Alexander of The Netherlands.
Let's see if this becomes fact.
Two special Juristic teams from both Thailand and The Netherlands will negotiate in Bangkok the return of Van Laarhoven+wife which will cause NO loss of face for Thailand which is very important as everybody knows.
It depends on these negotiations how many years he still has to spend in Dutch prison.
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14 hours ago, smedly said:
I was referring to money laundering -
There was no money laundering. His money was made legally in 4 coffeeshops in the Netherlands. That he had issues with the tax authorities (after he move to Thailand) is not money laundering but the Dutch Prosecutor sent false info to Thailand and from that point the Thai considered it money laundering, based on the false info from Holland's side.
and THAT's why the Dutch Minister specially flew to Thailand to meet the Thai PM Prayuth and apologized for the DUTCH mistakes. Such a move, by a Minister of Justice, for an individual prisoner abroad, has NEVER DONE BEFORE. That implements the magnitude of the case.
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27 minutes ago, dimitriv said:The real story is different. He owned several coffeeshops in The Netherlands where they sold not only coffee but also marijuana. I have been to one of them ???? This is completely legal in my country.
He made a lot of money, but didn't pay tax on all of that. And that is where the problem started. In The Netherlands it is ok to sell drugs, but you will get problems when you do not pay tax. He stopped his business and moved to Thailand with his money.
It is strange that you can get convicted in Thailand for something you did in The Netherlands and also was allowed to do that in that country.
The money-laundering part is of course a joke. A lot of people have money they didn't pay tax on. And a lot of people use that money to buy things. I once read somewhere that only 7% of Thai people pay income tax ?
In The Netherlands this is now a bit of a scandal. Police wanted to catch him, but he was gone to Thailand. They informed the Thai police that a marijuana dealer moved to Thailand with a lot of money.
For the Thai police this was low hanging fruit. And it confirms once again that foreigners are dangerous and that they really do their job very well <sarcasm>.
You're partly correct and partly incorrect.
It was not the DUTCH police who were after him. It were the DUTCH tax authorities who sent the Dutch Justice Department on Van Laarhoven's tail and it was there that the Dutch Prosecutor went totally wrong by informing the Thai authorities that he was a drugs dealer...he was not, according to Dutch laws.
Besides, Van Laarhoven lived in Thailand already since 2008 and the Prosecutor was after him in 2014 when he sent all the fraudulent info to Thailand upon which info Van Laarhoven and wife were arrested.
There are 2 major things we have to put apart:
Van Laarhoven was in a LEGALLY accepted business, selling marihuana and hash to private clients in OFFICIAL shops. As you know the Dutch laws are bizarre en twisted about soft drugs since it is NOT legal to BUY or OWN a larger quantity than 500grams (for selling in shops) but it is allowed ONCE they're inside the shops but not more than 500grams. Per client they're allowed to sell 5grams/per person/per day. See link in Dutch*
The profits for the coffeeshop-owner are legal although it's very difficult for a shopowner to open a bankaccount with major banks; They simply refuse him to own/open a bankaccount.
Of course he has to declare his sales and profits and has to pay his taxes, where it DID go wrong for and with him!
He took the money he made with him to Thailand but "forgot" to pay all of his taxes in Holland. That's a case between the DUTCH Tax authorities and Van Laarhoven, not the police.
He should have been a good boy and pay all of his taxes which he did NOT.
That's where the problem for Van Laarhoven started and he paid a major prize since the Thai tax guys prosecuted him for tax evasion and laundering of drugs money brought into Thailand, made abroad, and selling drugs OUTSIDE Holland...who knows where to?
It's better to leave your country with all taxes and other debts paid, or face eventual very serious consequences. Many criminals and tax evaders "think" they can get away with (legal or not) crimes, once they settle in Thailand, but they would be much better off in their own country...
* https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/drugs/gedoogbeleid-softdrugs-en-coffeeshops
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5 minutes ago, tgw said:
sounds like a case of revenge
Why do you consider this as a case of revenge? By whom?
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Maybe some people haven't heard about this case.
Van Laarhoven+wife were set up by a fraudulent DUTCH Prosecutor who sent false information to Thailand in order to try and get Van Laarhoven for tax purposes.
He falsely accused Van Laarhoven for crimes he did NOT commit in Holland nor Thailand. He was also NOT wanted by the Dutch criminal justice department.
Because of these false accusations the Thai authorities arrested Van Laarhoven+wife.
The officially appointed Dutch Ombudsman reported about this case and blamed the Dutch Justice Prosecutor and his Justice department. It was a big shame for Holland (and loss of face) and last week, the Dutch Minister of the Justice Department flew especially to Thailand for this case (NEVER DONE BEFORE for an individual prisoner abroad) and met with the Thai Prime Minister Prayuth and the Thai Minister of Justice to pay respect and offer the Dutch apologies in this case.
They confirmed to the PM and his Minister that The Netherlands Justice Department made a huge mistake but they would pay full respect to Thai laws for which Van Laarhoven would be sentenced, eventually, by the Thai Supreme Court (which happened today, August 27, 2019).
Both the Thai PM + his Minister of Justice and the Dutch Minister of Justice agreed to have a legal team from both sides look at this case in due course without any promises, made from either side.
The Netherlands will (probably) ask Thailand to have Van Laarhoven spent the rest of his mutually agreed upon prison time, in The Netherlands. The same for his wife if I'm correct.
That, in short, is about the case and what I wrote are my own observations from press reports in Holland, without any specific legal knowledge in detail about this case. I also never met with anybody linked to this case.
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8 hours ago, bangrak said:
Amazing, indeed, for a wet-behind-the-ears, totally unknown (admittedly, not his family, 'linked' to a 'traditional' party...), no experience at all, showed no thing yet, ...and very telling at the same time about how lost, unprepared, clueless the Thai population may be, ...also how desperate the absence of credible, experienced, ...not too corrupt, politicians, is. NOBODY worth voting for, that's the whole drama!
History and politics,..ALSO in Thailand have to change somewhere, sometime and with someone powerful and intelligent who can start making that difference in politics and the military ruled country and the so called fake "democracy" and hopefully, people like Thanathorn Juangroongruangkit* are able to contribute to that change.
Coming to Thailand for decades I think he seems to be a man that could bring that change; let's hope so and not be negative about newcomers. But we all know: It takes time...
He's quite an impressive man although he admits himself that the junta could put him in prison because he could be a threat to the present rulers...well, let's see if they would do so.
I think the world (Asia, U.S., EU and Oceania) would not be pleased.
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanathorn_Juangroongruangkit
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1 hour ago, robblok said:
You are right I was wrong.. but what i meant was enough votes to make a difference. 10% is indeed huge for a new party its half of what the democrats got in the survey.
But 10% is not enough to make a change. I really hope this guy gets more votes as i prefer him above all others. I might be totally wrong (again) but i like to hope for a future with less corruption (less corruption means less money to be made when in power means less violence to get in power)
In the article from Bloomberg* is also said:
""Future Forward’s goal is to win 25 seats, said Thanathorn, who placed third in a poll for preferred prime minister released Sunday by the National Institute of Development Administration. Senior Pheu Thai official Sudarat Keyuraphan topped the survey, with Prayuth second.""
That is pretty amazing....to be selected as 3rd choice for PM for a party, just born.
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On 10/3/2018 at 2:44 AM, robblok said:
I agree for a large part with your assessment, i too think that he wont get much votes as he is not yet established. I disagree where you say its charisma, (that is needed for a politician and a reason why Prayut will always fail)
I always thought it was about canvassers (at least that is what it looks to be about in the fight between PTP and Prayut with the stealing of MP's anyway will see if I am right or wrong about that in the next election)
I too hope he gets enough seats to prove his worth, maybe just maybe there is hope for Thailand.
...Not many votes..?
It's truly amazing that Thanathorn received already 10% of the votes in a survey* last month among "9,000 people surveyed across Thailand"...realizing it's only a short while ago the party has been registered this year.
If he/party can win a majority is of course unlikely but not impossible.
Look what happened in France where the newcomer Macron won the elections but I know, Thailand is not France but basically there's a common deep-rooted problem in both France and Thailand, the silent majority, unhappy with the present situation.
Surprises in politics are common around the world: look what happened in Taiwan...and 2 years ago with Trump.
exciting times ahead for Thailand.
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1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:
Wow, an answer 11 years later!
That must be a record.
I was surprised also; very curious how that relationship went on and how many kids they have now ???? ????
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10 hours ago, Brunolem said:
Here is a link...the beach is called Ban Amphur Beach.
The condo I am talking about is not the one you can see on the first photo, but would be located on the left side of the photo...right on the beach and low rise, very nice...
https://www.pattayaunlimited.com/ban-amphur-beach/
Thanks a lot!
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On 9/24/2018 at 11:10 AM, Brunolem said:
Have you been to Na Jomtien, a few km after Jomtien.
A short and easy drive from Pattaya, but without the hassle.
Right on the beach there is a nice residence with a big pool and garden...the best of both worlds...
Any link or name available if you have?
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3 minutes ago, tifino said:
I wasn't actually on about the 'coming down' of Orders (from home)
- but that these tourists are flagrantly ignoring Orders from foreigners (Thai) in authority
do you speak Thai and Chinese? Most Chinese don't speak Thai and most Farang do not speak Chinese and Thai.
It's quite a nice puzzle how all these tourists still survive from these dangerous holidays and make it back home, their wallets almost empty
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6 minutes ago, tifino said:
But the Chinese only respect Orders that come from the Premier
And how many other Obersturmbahnfuehrers are there in Asia...?..in
Thailand
Laos
Birma
Cambodia
Phillipines
Vietnam
Malaysia
and even in
Singapore
Indonesia
telling their citizens what's allowed and what not?
If I look at the beach today, its not allowed to put up parasols and sunbeds....only on Wednesdays
Tomorrow tourists, who bring a lot of money to Thailand, are allowed to lie down in the shade again..today it's burning time.
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1 minute ago, robblok said:
Yes, that is what i mean, as an accountant i am mainly involved with the tax part of it. As I havent owned a house or had much to do with health insurance (got my own here) I only knew from my business dealings it was about taxes. But that is exactly what I was thinking about. Its a good system and should not be ridiculed if Thailand goes for a similar system.
Indeed.
But many citizens in Holland still do not use or even know about the DigiD system.
It will take many more years before everybody uses it and that will be the same in other countries like Thailand.
That's a pity really since this system really can help people (not to forget about taxes and other important stuff)
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8 minutes ago, robblok said:
We got something similar in Holland the goverment just sends its mail to a client portal that every citizen can access (mainly for taxes). Its not email its just a digital postoffice from the goverment. The problem with email is that you can't check if email adresses are correct and need updating. A system where you have one digital page for goverment post is different as its always sure to get there.
Do you mean DigiD* ? (or "Mijn Overheid")
It's for messages from many authorities, not just taxes; for yearly car checks for instance but also messages from your health insurance, your house registration messages etc.
It's very handy since one forgets about all the things in life.
You can also access DigiD from abroad (Thailand** for instance)
** https://www.nederlandwereldwijd.nl/wonen-werken/digid-aanvragen-in-het-buitenland/thailand
do you speak Thai and Chinese? Most Chinese don't speak Thai and most Farang do not speak Chinese and Thai.
Killer of Dutch expat arrested after 13 years on the run - he conspired with Thai wife/brother to get their hands on 100 million baht
in Thailand News
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HERE is the topic I started in 2007 about the JULES ODEKERKEN murder case:
This is the website/blog, created by the Odekerken family:
http://www.julesodekerken.nl/
NOTE: I had contact with the Odekerken family and they are "happy" that the main killer is now finally behind bars.
They wish no further contact with the press but they expressed their gratitude for the enormous support and help they received by many sources in Thailand and The Netherlands.