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FINALLY AFTER 17 YEARS...the murderer -Annupong Sutthani- of Dutch businessman JULES ODEKERKEN has been arrested.
I can't find any news on Thaivisa though ?
Old link, also in English, created by the family of Jules Odekerken:
to be followed
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1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:
Wow, an answer 11 years later!
That must be a record.
I was surprised also; very curious how that relationship went on and how many kids they have now ???? ????
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Thanks a lot Gents!
I'm curious why the Embassy asked for a written travel plan* after entering and leaving Thailand.
As a matter of fact I wrote such a plan myself already before applying but it was rejected and we were sent back home to do it again on a form to be downloaded from the website of the Embassy....:-(
Totally absurd if you ask me.
* for our Non-Immigrant "O" year multiple entry Visa
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I'm puzzled.
My wife and I have a Non-Immigrant "O" year multiple entry Visa, each 90 days based on 50+ retirement.
A single friend of mine from Holland (50+ also) claims a Visa agent can arrange the same for him at the Embassy in The Hague and says a return ticket is not necessary.
Showing a ONE-WAY ticket to Thailand next to a simple signed form, declaring he will buy a return ticket within Thailand is enough, so the agent says.
Is that possible ?
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2 minutes ago, romain22 said:
you must be joking, right? ----But maybe your point of view reflects the French Embassy's.
Of course I'm not joking andI've nothing to do with the French Embassy
You look bitter in your battle for your own family since it's not your friend but you, being the father; don't deny it!
You have NO idea how many hundreds (!!) of millions of children in Asia grow up with aunties, uncles, grandparents etc when their parents, deadly poor, travel long distances to work in factories to try and make an income to pay for the education of their children.
And do you think these kids don't miss nor love their parents anymore? Of course they do, but they will grow up and create families of their own still adoring and loving their parents and accepting their situation.
But they WILL grow up and be mature but YOU..?
YOU are behaving yourself as a child.
Shame
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5 minutes ago, romain22 said:
Both children are declared at the French embassy and are therefore French by birth. I dont think it would be such a big deal if that French guy and his wife did not have any children.. they would just go separate ways for a short/long time. The problem is that to take one's father or one's mother away from the children is just not acceptable. That is just not right. White or black, French or not, Muslim or Christian... no children should suffer from not being with both parents. There are indeed immigration laws but they are also moral laws and laws that protect and prevent children from being separated from their own parents.
Have you any idea how many orphan* children there are in the world, without any parent at all?
You talk about morality all the time but that's not what this case is about.
It's about (French) immigration laws and NOT about moral laws since there aren't any moral laws, protecting and preventing children from being separated from their mom; the only one to be blamed here is the father himself since he did NOT prepare for the repatriating of his family to France himself.
You should stop complaining and feel happy that the French father has 2 French kids and he can settle in France, leaving tomorrow, and start preparing to arrange for his wife in the next few months, instead bashing Thailand and France.
Oh, let me tell you that the kids will forget about missing their mom in a few months to a year when they grow up.
Children are more adaptable than you and the father seem to be but the problem is that you/father can't stand to be critized.
The losers are the kids who will be missing their mom but it's the father problem who didn't prepare for the situation and should have started studying the case or hire a professional immigration lawyer in France what, how and when to handle and organise..
They're the best to handle cases like you're talking about.
Oh, and BTW, I think you write in the 3rd person (as romain22) and are the father himself...aren't you?
* http://hopeeffect.com/153-million-orphans/
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24 minutes ago, romain22 said:
""""And did you have children too?"""
Please do not write within my post; it's not allowed and confusing.
No, there were no children in our case but that has nothing to do with "your" situation; also you never wrote about the nationality of the 2 children; if they are French with a French passport, the father can travel tomorrow to France but not with the spouse.
It's a completely different route and that the French father has 2 children, born in Thailand, is not a guarantee that France will allow the 2 to enter France if they're Thai; if they're French it's no problem.
YOU speak about family values but in this case it's about immigration laws.
It all depends on French immigration laws.
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2 hours ago, oldgent said:
can I ask the Moderator to close this meaningless post as the true story is
running in another thread
The OP Romain22 answered that this topic is NOT about the other French/Thai couple who committed suicide.
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10 minutes ago, romain22 said:
It seems everyone has its own definition about family : my definition is that father, mother and children should never be separated.
I think most of us here would agree with you but if one falls in love with a citizen from another foreign non-EU, or other western country, than we run into immigration laws from both sides.
And those laws apply to every one, including "your" Frenchman.
As an example: I also ran into the immigration laws, long ago and it was a long, very long and painful process whereby my wife also wasn't allowed into my country of origin straight away but had to go to the "tourist" visa process first and after that had to "walk" throughout the entire integration process of my country: learning the language etc.
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6 minutes ago, oldgent said:
No mention of the children as far as i can see
Yes, I'm reading the other topic where it said that a French/Thai couple sadly took their own lives but I also don't see any report about 2 children.
Maybe the OP -Romain22- can give some more info IF it's about the same couple ?
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A handwritten suicide letter in both Thai and English signed by the couple was found on their computer desk inside the bedroom.
The letter was dated September 5.
In Thai, it stated: “I decided to kill myself with Khun David, [signed by] Saifon”.
In English, it stated: "Today, I decided to die with my wife Saifon because [neither] my mother [nor] my father want to help us. David Guffroy”.
Relatives said the woman saw a psychiatrist regularly while the Frenchman had developed depression as he had no job and his passport had expired. – The Nation/Asia News Network""
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oldgent: I'm sorry to read this sad news; is this running topic about the same French/Thai couple?
Are you sure oldgent?
I don't understand this situation....2 children left alone if this is the same couple and they took their own lives ?
SAD NEWS and may they R.I.P.
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1 hour ago, romain22 said:
So here is the full story:
All of this started few years back when he had to find a school for his children. This father knew of Thai private schools and Public ones so he made his mind up and decided to never send his children to such schools where there were no critical thinking, no empathy, no real grading systems and where there was nothing but obedience and marching.
He therefore decided to take a lower paid job in a very good school (Montessori) far away from his dwelling. Did not renew his contract,got a full month paid from his previous school, got a good amount of money for working there 3 years and moved to that new location. Moving out costed about 30,000 Baht, Rent was 13,000 Baht a month, his car 5,050 Baht a month and everything was good as long as the savings were. Money was good until until he was asked to pay almost the full amount of the tuition for his first child in -that is about 70,000 baht. But believing it was worth it, he took the job and paid the tuition.. after all that was certainly the best school for young children in Thailand: playtime, love, care, beautiful garden, nice teachers, open-minded community, and more. The dream school for a father.
Savings were almost gone and the second child had to go to school the next year. Hoping for a good discount he renewed his contract but nothing amazing : for two children, there were still about 100,000 baht to be paid. Not having enough money he asked his school to withdraw a monthly amount from his salary in order to enroll both his children in this programme. So his salary went down again to about 26,000 baht/month.
Rent was 13,000 baht a month ; car 5000 baht a month electricity 2000 baht a month, diapers and formula, food, dentist, doctor, three month back to back immigration stuff, yearly renewal visa in Laos (will get back to that later on).... The family could just no longer afford to live in Thailand. So why they decided to return to France where he would easily find a job (BA, MA and 11 years as a teacher). Was the family totally in distress ? No! But it did not take a genius to know that there will be only limited time before they reach that level of precarity when they would not be able to keep living like that. Passed March --the date the father had to renew his visa, he would have to make a choice : invest his money in that trip to Laos and continue like that and spend his last chance to return to his country ; or get the hell outta here before financial resources get to low to pay for 4 plane tickets, three months rent in France and enough for food and utilities once over there.
Planning on reaching a financial critical point around March 2018, he contacted the embassy in order to plan his return to France where he could make more money and will not have to worry about having his children in French public schools. He eventually asked for some help and advice in order to leave before his savings gone.
He explained them how tight was his budget but because he got married the American Way (that is he got married in Thailand first), they asked him to legalized his marriage with French authorities by getting his marriage certificate stamped by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Thailand and translated by an authorized translator. They knew about it when they got married (the French embassy had immediately been notified three days after getting married) so they had already made this paper. So far no problems whatsoever. The problem arose when they asked for his wife's ID card, Passport, House Book and so on to be legalized by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and translated by a legal translator. All these documents to prove the identity of his wife had all been previously given in hands at the embassy when they had to declare their children and when they received a Family Book (some kind of French Family Passport). All together, the embassy asked them to spend an extra 9 000 baht! Not a lot you would say! Well, when you've got nothing left at the end of each month it's still 9000 times more than what you can afford. He therefore asked for a waiver and told them he will send copies of his children's birth certificates as well as Family Book onto which an Embassy Officer of the French Embassy of Bangkok had recorded the names of each single family member few years back.
The Officer coldly replied that the waiver would be denied ; that they had to send all these documents again because this was the procedure for getting married. There are two issues here. First of, they were already married and secondly all these documents had already been provided to the French embassy and stored in their archives! The only thing they had to do was to move their big fat butts to the basements and check whether the given documents, birth certificates and Family Book matched. I guess it was too much work to check. Who cares about one single family, right? We have already seen similar attitude during the government of Vichy and we know what it lead to.
Anyway, for the moment, the only way for him to get enough money to return to France would be to sell his car. The only way for him to spend that extra 9000 baht would be to sell his car.. No car, no job. No job, can't afford paying rent, no electricity, no internet, no diapers, no school etc…
(I forgot to mention that when he left his previous job for another he lost his work permit because of some bureaucratic incompetence from immigration offices which seemed not to have agreed on the required documents needed when reapplying for a second work permit. So he had to work on a family visa since then). All of this, of course, the French embassy was notified. Yet, do they care one of their citizens is working illegally?
Thailand, as a father, is not a good country to live in and definitively not when working on a family visa. Education is crap, Teaching jobs don't pay as much as before (it's exactly the same pay as 15 years ago but life is 10 times more expensive!); school fees are huge; visa fees and everything related to it end up costing between 15,000 to 30,000 Baht a year and immigration laws and work permit have become ridiculously costly and cleverless.
This father is not working legally here, is no longer happy and just want to educate his children where he thinks it will be much better and affordable. And to do so, the only thing that the father wants is a bit of common sense from the French Embassy and being able to return home with his family (at his costs not at theirs).
But hey! The law is the law right? I guess the French embassy is missing the olden days when French had real thoughtful laws such as this one found in Drancy Camp : “Taking a Shower After 10pm is Forbidden”.
Common! It’s 2017, it's time to show critical thinking and common sense. If a Father had already been declaring all his children at the embassy, if the embassy had already checked all sort of ID s of his wife previously, if a father had already notified his situation to the embassy for a year already, if he is working illegally and just want to go home : can't they just demonstrate common sense and acknowledge that the ID of the mother had already been given, legalized and translated many times? This father has already found a job in France… he just need to bring his whole family along.
What are they waiting for? To push their citizens to a situation of precarity and reach a point where everything seems meaningless such as David Guffroy and his wife who just decided to end their lives yesterday due to a similar situation?
You also wrote:
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The problem arose when they asked for his wife's ID card, Passport, House Book and so on to be legalized by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and translated by a legal translator. All these documents to prove the identity of his wife had all been previously given in hands at the embassy when they had to declare their children and when they received a Family Book (some kind of French Family Passport).
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Does that mean ALL original papers of the wife like: ID card, Passport, House Book were given to the French Embassy for legalisation by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs?
That's hard to believe since a Ministry or Embassy normally doesn't handle these kind of translations; they ask the holder to have it officially translated.
Further you wrote:
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...they were already married ...
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That's not an officially legal marriage within Thailand; it's a Thai ceremony but to be officially legalized yet in France as far as I know.
Next:
Maybe I didn't understand correctly but what Nationality do the children have? I didn't read that they are French...?
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43 minutes ago, romain22 said:
So here is the full story:
All of this started few years back when he had to find a school for his children. This father knew of Thai private schools and Public ones so he made his mind up and decided to never send his children to such schools where there were no critical thinking, no empathy, no real grading systems and where there was nothing but obedience and marching.
He therefore decided to take a lower paid job in a very good school (Montessori) far away from his dwelling. Did not renew his contract,got a full month paid from his previous school, got a good amount of money for working there 3 years and moved to that new location. Moving out costed about 30,000 Baht, Rent was 13,000 Baht a month, his car 5,050 Baht a month and everything was good as long as the savings were. Money was good until until he was asked to pay almost the full amount of the tuition for his first child in -that is about 70,000 baht. But believing it was worth it, he took the job and paid the tuition.. after all that was certainly the best school for young children in Thailand: playtime, love, care, beautiful garden, nice teachers, open-minded community, and more. The dream school for a father.
Savings were almost gone and the second child had to go to school the next year. Hoping for a good discount he renewed his contract but nothing amazing : for two children, there were still about 100,000 baht to be paid. Not having enough money he asked his school to withdraw a monthly amount from his salary in order to enroll both his children in this programme. So his salary went down again to about 26,000 baht/month.
Rent was 13,000 baht a month ; car 5000 baht a month electricity 2000 baht a month, diapers and formula, food, dentist, doctor, three month back to back immigration stuff, yearly renewal visa in Laos (will get back to that later on).... The family could just no longer afford to live in Thailand. So why they decided to return to France where he would easily find a job (BA, MA and 11 years as a teacher). Was the family totally in distress ? No! But it did not take a genius to know that there will be only limited time before they reach that level of precarity when they would not be able to keep living like that. Passed March --the date the father had to renew his visa, he would have to make a choice : invest his money in that trip to Laos and continue like that and spend his last chance to return to his country ; or get the hell outta here before financial resources get to low to pay for 4 plane tickets, three months rent in France and enough for food and utilities once over there.
Planning on reaching a financial critical point around March 2018, he contacted the embassy in order to plan his return to France where he could make more money and will not have to worry about having his children in French public schools. He eventually asked for some help and advice in order to leave before his savings gone.
He explained them how tight was his budget but because he got married the American Way (that is he got married in Thailand first), they asked him to legalized his marriage with French authorities by getting his marriage certificate stamped by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Thailand and translated by an authorized translator. They knew about it when they got married (the French embassy had immediately been notified three days after getting married) so they had already made this paper. So far no problems whatsoever. The problem arose when they asked for his wife's ID card, Passport, House Book and so on to be legalized by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and translated by a legal translator. All these documents to prove the identity of his wife had all been previously given in hands at the embassy when they had to declare their children and when they received a Family Book (some kind of French Family Passport). All together, the embassy asked them to spend an extra 9 000 baht! Not a lot you would say! Well, when you've got nothing left at the end of each month it's still 9000 times more than what you can afford. He therefore asked for a waiver and told them he will send copies of his children's birth certificates as well as Family Book onto which an Embassy Officer of the French Embassy of Bangkok had recorded the names of each single family member few years back.
The Officer coldly replied that the waiver would be denied ; that they had to send all these documents again because this was the procedure for getting married. There are two issues here. First of, they were already married and secondly all these documents had already been provided to the French embassy and stored in their archives! The only thing they had to do was to move their big fat butts to the basements and check whether the given documents, birth certificates and Family Book matched. I guess it was too much work to check. Who cares about one single family, right? We have already seen similar attitude during the government of Vichy and we know what it lead to.
Anyway, for the moment, the only way for him to get enough money to return to France would be to sell his car. The only way for him to spend that extra 9000 baht would be to sell his car.. No car, no job. No job, can't afford paying rent, no electricity, no internet, no diapers, no school etc…
(I forgot to mention that when he left his previous job for another he lost his work permit because of some bureaucratic incompetence from immigration offices which seemed not to have agreed on the required documents needed when reapplying for a second work permit. So he had to work on a family visa since then). All of this, of course, the French embassy was notified. Yet, do they care one of their citizens is working illegally?
Thailand, as a father, is not a good country to live in and definitively not when working on a family visa. Education is crap, Teaching jobs don't pay as much as before (it's exactly the same pay as 15 years ago but life is 10 times more expensive!); school fees are huge; visa fees and everything related to it end up costing between 15,000 to 30,000 Baht a year and immigration laws and work permit have become ridiculously costly and cleverless.
This father is not working legally here, is no longer happy and just want to educate his children where he thinks it will be much better and affordable. And to do so, the only thing that the father wants is a bit of common sense from the French Embassy and being able to return home with his family (at his costs not at theirs).
But hey! The law is the law right? I guess the French embassy is missing the olden days when French had real thoughtful laws such as this one found in Drancy Camp : “Taking a Shower After 10pm is Forbidden”.
Common! It’s 2017, it's time to show critical thinking and common sense. If a Father had already been declaring all his children at the embassy, if the embassy had already checked all sort of ID s of his wife previously, if a father had already notified his situation to the embassy for a year already, if he is working illegally and just want to go home : can't they just demonstrate common sense and acknowledge that the ID of the mother had already been given, legalized and translated many times? This father has already found a job in France… he just need to bring his whole family along.
What are they waiting for? To push their citizens to a situation of precarity and reach a point where everything seems meaningless such as David Guffroy and his wife who just decided to end their lives yesterday due to a similar situation?
It looks like you blame everybody, except the father and his family, trying to go back to France. You're even blaming and bashing Thailand, unbelievable!
The French Embassy is following the rules and their own immigration laws IN France and they're strict and right they are.
I wrote before that there are many thousands of examples of EU citizens, falling in love outside the EU, maybe marry in the other 3rd world country, have children or not and want to go back to their home country at a certain point...WITH their loved one (and kids)
That's FINE!
But you have to follow the laws and this time the Frenchman has to do so also; let him go back to France, if possible with his kids and his wife can follow later according to French laws.
It's been done many many times before and MANY members on Thaivisa had to follow these rules also according to the rules of their home country and Thailand.
STOP blaming everybody else, except the French guy.
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10 minutes ago, tonray said:
How about this...French dad gets his butt back to France, gets a job and supports his Thai family until such time as wife can legally gain access to France ?
Makes it sound like the first person whose ever been in this situation. My own grandfather came to America from Italy (legally) , worked for 5 years before accumulating enough status and money to send for his family.
Money vanishes only if you spend it without working to replace it.
Fully agree.
It looks like the French guy and wife are trying to influence the (international) press to find support for them which the French Embassy lawfully didn't.
There's also no info abut HIS situation on visa-situation living within Thailand. Looks to me that he stayed here quite some time, having 2 kids.
There hundreds of thousands EU (and other Western countries) citizens falling in love outside Europe, facing the hurdles of immigration laws in their own country when they want to return with their new love.
They have to follow the correct immigration laws, set by their own country for their new "love" spouse/wife/husband.
Thailand also has their own immigration laws and WE have to follow these rules also.
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6 hours ago, stevenl said:
Easiest way would be to move to another Schengen country first, and in due course to France.
That is (was?) a possibility, but I'm not sure of these escape routes still exist.
There was one via Denmark and another one via Belgium but it takes a long time and is also costly (understand that the French guy is running out of funds). One has to have an address to rent and show income....difficult route in this case I'm afraid.
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8 hours ago, BritTim said:
You can ignore this if either (i) living in Bangkok; or (ii) will not need any services from your local immigration office.
Good luck!
Thank you so much
We will NOT stay any longer than the allowed 90 days period per stay (I have a Multiple Non-Immigrant -O- visa, valid for one year until Oct 2018 - and my wife until mid June 2018)
We stay in Mae Hong Son province.
So, if I understand you correctly, we don't have to do anything since we will act within the immigration laws and do not require any services (extension) by an immigration office.
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1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:
Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia
To best of my knowledge they don't allow thousands of aliens to just come in and make themselves at home will nilly as the Euro countries do.
I wrote:
""Imagine any other country in Asia (Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia) where the biological mother would have given birth to 1, 2 or 5 children (to the EU father) and the outcome would be the same; the EU Embassy would NOT allow her into the EU country immediately.
Step by step and follow the rules.""
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I don't think it has to do with (just) the French Embassy in Thailand.
It has probably more to do with common accepted EU Schengen laws and Visa with the 28 member countries.
Other EU countries wouldn't just allow the spouse to come with the biological parent (and born Thai children) also.
Better don't make comparisons with refugees' situation since they're "allowed" into the EU with totally different laws which is painful enough.
(Asian and other countries') partners have to follow the rules of the Schengen country where the EU parent comes from, no matter if he/she is from France, Spain, Italy or Holland for that matter.
Those countries wouldn't allow the biological mother (or father) also, just like that.
There are rules like studying the language first going through the visa process laws etcetera, first.
The biological mother will probably have a better chance, applying for a Tourist visa for a maximum period of 3 months, after which she has to return to Thailand and wait for another 3 months for a new tourist visa.
Better play by the rules and she will be allowed to settle in France a little later, rather than immediately.
Again, it has nothing to do with Thailand or the French Embassy; they're just following the laws.
Imagine any other country in Asia (Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia) where the biological mother would have given birth to 1, 2 or 5 children (to the EU father) and the outcome would be the same; the EU Embassy would NOT allow her into the EU country immediately.
Step by step and follow the rules.
Good luck for the family
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I'm confused...
Situation:
we rent a house from a friend but travel in and out of Thailand by air a few times during the next 5 or 6 months since the first arrival in LOS, end Oct 2017.
I have a Multiple Non-Immigrant -O- visa, valid for one year until Oct 2018 (each entry maximum 90 days) and wife until mid June 2018 (passport no longer valid after that) but we plan to leave around March/April 2018 and not "consume" the Visa any further in 2018 until maybe 2nd half of 2018 (with new visa for wife and myself)
It is required to show a T28 or even a T30 when we leave each time and later return back to Thailand?
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20 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:
Maybe because you need the demand in the Chinese market, which is a bit easier when you are from China.
Creating demand is another story. How do you think people all over the world started drinking Coke when they never ever heard of it before? They did not have a demand, it was created for them.
The same with KFC, Hamburgers, and so on.
The same with latex products from rubber plantations from Thailand.
You just create a demand and people start buying.
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3 hours ago, Peterw42 said:
Why would the Thai guy, in Thailand, benefit from speaking English? The example you give is 2 Chinese guys setting up a business and doing well, i presume speaking Thai at this end and mandarin at the other end.
Your analogy works if dealing with an English speaking country but wouldn't Mandarin be a better common trade language for dealing with China.
Benefitting speaking English, in case he doesn't speak Thai?
There are only a few large companies in Thailand, making latex products like cushions, toppers and mattresses, big enough to produce at competitive prices and they have English speaking staff for exports.
Not sure if they have staff, speaking Mandarin.
The point I was making is that there are always opportunities, not just in IT and new technologies but also in the "old" economics and why wouldn't smart Thai young guys have jumped in, in cooperation with Chinese or by themselves ?
It's attitude and being smart I think.
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35 minutes ago, JackThompson said:
The key factors to learn basic English are access to a native speaker's accent and command of basic English, a teacher's genuine desire to impart the language, and the student's earnest-interest in learning the subject. Little that is learned to obtain an "English degree," as required in Thailand (though a waiver for other majors allows a temporary exception), would come into play teaching the basics. Those I have spoken with to who teach in Cambodia, but have taught in Thailand in the past (left when it became more difficult to qualify) say the primary difference is Cambodian students' eagerness to learn English.
To be competitive in modern international fields, and given an apparent shortage, Thailand should expedite visas for native English speaking teachers. Passing a standardized test and TEFL course should be sufficient, subject to class-performance reviews. The goal should be to encourage English teaching and learning in every way possible. Instead, we have the inverse - a process considered such a hassle, that most schools are reported (by other posters) to insist that English teachers teach illegally for months before they can receive the required stack of paperwork for a proper visa and work-permit. Then, a pointless trip to a consulate in another country for the initial Non-B Visa is required. This is counterproductive.
If the concern is pushing qualified Thai applicants out of English teaching jobs, require each native-English speaker's classes to be open to a Thai uni-student trainee (should be required for all foreigner-occupied occupations across-the-board), who can take over the job when they are sufficiently fluent in English to do so.
You bring good ideas in a kind and positive way.
The big Q is: does "BKK" want what you suggest?
I think not.
I'm visiting Thailand for more than 35 years, both for holidays and business, now mainly for holidays but with a sense and excitement for business (my wife's)
I don't see nor experience much progress in English abilities by the majority of Thai people and a majority still speak very poor or no English at all which is a big disadvantage versus other nations and countries in the region.
Example:
WHO produces rubber/latex products in enormous quantities?
Right: Thailand!
What do the Thai do with this fabulous product range other than the well known products, exported to other countries?
Not much.
Niche market:
2 briljant young Chinese guys, just 18 and 19 years old and Uni friends started a new business a few months ago.
One is based in China (18 years old) and the other (19) is based in Bangkok.
They initially were planning to buy and sell head cushions from pure latex onto the Chinese market.
They were immediately successful and sold way above their own expectations an were selling around 1 million Yuan per month (BAHT 5 MILLION) which is of course staggering;
The demand expanded onto latex toppers and mattresses which are basically quite an expensive product but apparently in huge demand.
My wife talked to the 19 year old chap a few days ago...
They sold over 1 million Yuan in 30 hours during the Singles Day on 11-11 !!
That's an equivalent of around Baht 5 million in 30 hours, next to their "normal" sales of 1 million yuan/month.
They pack (vacuum packed) everything in BKK and ship within 36 hours to every destination in China.
WHY ON EARTH couldn't 2 brilliant Thai students (speaking Mandarin and English) have launched this idea and started this business, selling a native Thai product onto the Chinese market but left the opportunity to 2 smart Chinese guys ?
You tell me.
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8 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:
Actually I have no issues obtaining shipment to Thailand using Ebay and PayPal with a US Credit Card having my Thai Address. There is no need for a Thai bank account for PayPal payment.
Correct
Killer of Dutch expat arrested after 13 years on the run - he conspired with Thai wife/brother to get their hands on 100 million baht
in Thailand News
Posted
HERE is the topic I started in 2007 about the JULES ODEKERKEN murder case:
This is the website/blog, created by the Odekerken family:
http://www.julesodekerken.nl/
NOTE: I had contact with the Odekerken family and they are "happy" that the main killer is now finally behind bars.
They wish no further contact with the press but they expressed their gratitude for the enormous support and help they received by many sources in Thailand and The Netherlands.