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An update. We applied for wife and daughter in April, 2015. Wife under marriage visa and daughter under dependent visa.

It dragged out until mid April this year with no reply. My step daughters situation changed. She got engaged and left uni. I told the embassy about the change in circumstances and 2 days later my wife was granted a subclass 100 permanent residency visa. It took over 1 year and surprisingly she does not need a new medial or police certificate.

We are currently living in PNG. Wife has just gone back to Thailand to settle our business over there and will meet me in Australia in June to buy an investment property.

She will then move back to PNG with me. At least now she can travel in and out of Australia for the first 5 years at which time she will apply for a reentry visa.

We are currently in comms with our accountants in Australia who are doing a private tax ruling so the govt are not only aware my wife will live in PNG with me, but she will not pay tax on our Thai investment properties in Khon Kaen.

I am sure the Blue Sky station will amend their programing to conform to the rules and regulations set out by the NTBC. They will respect the laws and authority even if they do not agree with it. As they insisted "staff at the station were willing to improve and adjust content that may be inappropriate".

​Respect for the law is what differentiates upstanding citizens and common criminals. They will not break the law and then complain to the UN, the courts just to get exposure.

And if they do then they should be taken off air as well. There is no room for hate propaganda on Australian TV and that should also be the case in Thailand as well.

Zugzwang!

Any move the Junta makes here is a losing move.

A referendum means the charter gets rejected by the people.

No referendum means the charter is illegitimate and thus it will be rejected by the people.

And, using the rejection of the charter as justification to start whole process all over again only leads to accusations that this was the plan all along.

Very, very soon.....checkmate.

Why a losing move my friend?

Why do you predict the referendum will be rejected?…The previous referendum was not rejected and in fact passed by the majority of Thai's, but predictably the voice of that majority were ignored because the majority did not suit the Shin agenda.

No referendum is agreed nor a conducive outcome for the opposing political parties and that has been echoed by the the RIght Honorable Abhisit and the terrorist leader Jatuporn.

I remember the words "checkmate" being used in 2010 when the Abhisit govt agreed to early elections..Checkmate never happened and politics went on.

"The end is neigh" is used by cults my friend and with the UDD being your cult of choice I must resign myself to the fact that to you "the end is always neigh". Why? It keeps the brainwashed on their tows and creates fear. Cults feed of fear.

No referendum is agreed nor a conducive outcome for the opposing political parties and that has been echoed by the the RIght Honorable Abhisit and the terrorist leader Jatuporn.

This sentence makes absolutely no sense.

What are you trying to say?

My guess is that you are referring to the recent articles where both Democrat and PTP politicians agreed that the current charter is so bad that the country would be better off for the military to remain in power long enough to achieve their main "unmentionable" goal so that the nation can then have an acceptable democratic charter. If so, you're kind of arguing against yourself here my gifted friend.

(BTW - the 2007 referendum was gerrymandered, but nonetheless, that charter was enacted and the PTP played and won by its rules only to then be twice illegally tossed out of office by the other side who completely ignored their new charters rules. Worse, the anti democrats then went on to throw their own compromised, biased charter in the bin and slap the current military abomination of an interim charter down on the nation to buy themselves time to author an even worse charter which, having exhausted the gerrymandered referendum option they expect the nation to idly sit back and accept on good faith- how many steps backwards must these clowns take before your blinkers come off?)

To reiterate;

Why do you predict the referendum will be rejected? I then went on to say "The previous referendum was not rejected and in fact passed by the majority of Thai's, but predictably the voice of that majority were ignored because the majority did not suit the Shin agenda." That is a fact my friend. It was voted in by the majority. FACT, not beliefs or "gut feelings" That referendum was predicted to be rejected by the shin supporters just as you predict this one would be if it went to referendum.

No referendum is agreed nor a conducive outcome for the opposing political parties and that has been echoed by the the RIght Honorable Abhisit and the terrorist leader Jatuporn. So to extrapolate the opposing political parties may well disagree, but does it mean it will be rejected by the majority? Of course not. the Junta through facts (not gut feelings) have shown they are popular. Why wouldn't they be they brought peace and stability to Thailand while stopping terrorism without a single bullet fired. It is a no brainer they people support them. Human Rights Watch which is funded and supported by the UDD and Shins have even admitted it.

The end is neigh. The world is coming to an end. The sky is falling. This is the narrative the UDD want us to believe. Fear and chaos is what they thrive on. Death and despair keep them relevant.

The future is bright my friend and the bitter and twisted views need to be left in the bloody shadows of the past.

Zugzwang!

Any move the Junta makes here is a losing move.

A referendum means the charter gets rejected by the people.

No referendum means the charter is illegitimate and thus it will be rejected by the people.

And, using the rejection of the charter as justification to start whole process all over again only leads to accusations that this was the plan all along.

Very, very soon.....checkmate.

Why a losing move my friend?

Why do you predict the referendum will be rejected?…The previous referendum was not rejected and in fact passed by the majority of Thai's, but predictably the voice of that majority were ignored because the majority did not suit the Shin agenda.

No referendum is agreed nor a conducive outcome for the opposing political parties and that has been echoed by the the RIght Honorable Abhisit and the terrorist leader Jatuporn.

I remember the words "checkmate" being used in 2010 when the Abhisit govt agreed to early elections..Checkmate never happened and politics went on.

"The end is neigh" is used by cults my friend and with the UDD being your cult of choice I must resign myself to the fact that to you "the end is always neigh". Why? It keeps the brainwashed on their tows and creates fear. Cults feed of fear.

and white South Africans prefer apartheid - just because they prefer something doesn't make either group right.

and Americans still prefer a male boss

Wrong again rubl.

Hillary 2016!

WOW . Sounds like Fyslan bope the time traveller. Back to the future!

Hillary as already won heay?

Not saying she won't, but "beliefs" is a UDD trait and you are displaying it in spades…

It reminds me of Suropong telling the citizens to ignore export figures because it did not suit his agenda and to believe his quant story that everything was OK….Turned out facts overrided his beliefs.

I don't give it out much anymore, but with the new wave of TVF members that have only joined in the last 48 hours I have the pleasure of presenting you with the pigeon award.

Congratulations my friend.

This is an absolute lie and is completely incorrect. There was a crackdown. Without a doubt a crackdown did occur and it was witnessed by the country and the world. To say there was no crackdown dismisses the fact a brutal terrorist uprising took place.

With that said, Abhisit should be held responsible somewhat for the deaths during this crackdown. He was too tolerant and showed too much patience with the terrorists thus they became more and more brazen and confident. Had he cracked down earlier the deaths would have been reduced. He warned protestors to leave the poorest sire with 24 hours notice, but they refused. A crackdown was not only necessary but a duty of care to the majority of innocent peace loving citizens.

April 9th, 2010 was the first use of force by the military and it was with rubber bullets and water cannons.

The protests began on the 12th of March. So between then and the 9th of April when the red terrorists threatened to blow up an LPG truck, grenade attacks at Thai banks, attacked Thai charity with grenades, stormed parliament, attacked NPP and TPI buildings with M16 and grenades the military did nothing. NOTHING! To reiterate. Nothing…No one can present evidence to suggest otherwise. Not even make believe UDD evidence.

In any country in the world the leader would not be able to get away with allowing the capital to be violently savaged without taking any action for 1 month.

The only saving grace is the Right Honorable Abhisit's heart was in the right place. His hesitation was because he wanted to try to settle this protest peacefully. Unfortunately the red shirts were having none of that.

In Brisbane, Australia a man with a knife enters the Queen Street Mall while everyone is trying to go about there business and THAT IS WHEN the police come in and used live fire. It took 1 hour, not 1 month to react to the violence.

In Bangkok, Thailand brutal terrorists threaten to blow up LPG truck, perform grenade attacks at Thai banks, attacked Thai charity with grenades, stormed parliament, attacked NPP and TPI buildings with M16 and grenades, (this was around the time tear gas and rubber bullets were fired by the soldiers), stormed police hospital, stormed TV station (people started questioning Ahbisits control of the soldiers after the lack of resistance they offered the terrorists on this occasion), bomb attacks on electricity pylons, 2 police taken hostage, destroyed CCTV cameras and dumped tyres on sky train tracks and THAT IS WHEN the army came in and used live fire.

​A crackdown…You bet ya there was and the majority thank the military to this day that there lives and businesses had finally stabilized and life went back to normal.

His majesty's name should not even be mentioned. Just acknowledging the criminal element of Thai society is below his majesty.

It was not long ago the UDD openly and publicly pushed for sedition whereby Northern Thailand would be a separate state ergo they would have no king albeit a criminal fugitive as its leader.

Put these criminals in jail and never allow them to even mention his majesty again.

Can overthrow the elected government in an illegal military coup but can't hold a referendum on the new constitution?

Funny boy.

Why on earth do you think it was an illegal military coup ? and do you know the difference between a legal military coup and an illegal one ? This coup had the backing of the Big man...... So , nothing was illegal... jamesjohnson, go look in your mirror and tell that fool looking back at you better to keep your mouth shut and let people Think you are stupid, than to open it and prove them right..!

The coup was illegal but he gave himself amnesty. Brave warrior.

Via ouija board

WOW. Your post count is going up quicker than a rock climber on yaba.

I wonder what your name was before you were banned last time?

A "controlled democracy" is not a democracy.

Of course, Thais don't understand that.

And has been proven an "uncontrolled democracy" in Thailand is even less democratic that a controlled one.

Do I need to list the 50 examples again?

Thai's understand that.

Have a great day my dear friend.

Fair enough.

Nothing outlandish here and a token to what a respectable and tolerant democracy should adhere to.

Respect for the law and no interruption of of everyday life if protests do occur is paramount to a functioning society.

It only the PTP respected this law. Don't see the Junta calling protestors garbage and threatening them with violence.

What a democratically refreshing change we are witnessing here.

Lets hope they learnt that;

It is wrong to pass an amnesty bill that the majority did not want, but one unelected, accused mass murderer, accused terrorist, convicted criminal fugitive did want

It is wrong to disallow the opposition to debate constitutional amendments that an unelected fugitive did wan

It is wrong to tell voters they will get what they want when they vote PTP and if they don't they will get nothing.

It is wrong to allow a convicted criminal to run the country under the guise of democracy

It is wrong to intimidate families in Khon Kaen at the university that wanted to hear the Right Honorable Abhisit speak, but had to take their crying children home because of the fear that was installed in them

It is wrong to force the majority (at the barrel of a gun mind you) to stop protesting because the voice of THAT majority did not suit the governments agenda.

It is wrong to lie to the public and when found out tell them white lies don’t count because it is installing confidence.

It is wrong to tell protestors that they are garbage.

It is wrong to threaten protesters with threats of violence under the guise of democracy.

It is wrong to foster confidence in flood management even though the flood management control centre flooded

It is wrong to get away with an unelected criminal pining the insignia on a police chief that is supposed to arrest unelected criminals

It is wrong to silence the opposition by telling the media "The driver did it

It is wrong to threaten to behead themselves if an unelected leader of a government is not back in Thailand by the 1st of January 2013.

It is wrong to run a country with only a 40% parliamentary attendance rate

It is wrong to chair a rice scheme with a 0% attendance rate

​It is wrong to dissolve parliament with no plan to pay rice farmers

It is wrong to disrespect elections and then scapegoat the Junta for the coup when the defense minister refused to defend polling stations with her very own military. Not one command. Not one order. Not one promise. Not even anyone ordering the army on her behalf! She was not in the Maldives at that stage.

It is wrong to blame the tax payer, the rural doctors, the rice farmers,the corn farmers, the woman's league, the first car buyers that defaulted on loans, the environmentalists (garbage), the rubber farmers, academics, unions, businesses, students, teachers, academics, public servants, consumer advocates, economists, scientists, businessmen, judges, lawyers, professors and soldiers for all the faults of the PTP.

It is wrong to set up red villages to intimidate opposition that live in those very villages and ostracize people that hold a different view.

It is wrong to set up red schools to "teach" a form of democracy that would make the Maosit teachers of China blush. Heay Dr Weng!

It is wrong to let terrorist act with impunity arresting 0% of government terrorists while 100% of opposition terrorists ARE arrested.

Lets hope these fine examples of the future of Thailand understand what has been wrong with democracy in Thailand instead of putting their head in the sand and ignoring it while bleating the only principle they adhere too. Elections. Then after the elections the democratic system is abused and we go full circle and the same people scream "elections" again completely ignoring the fact that there is one day of democracy in Thailand (election day) while everyday in between is an abuse of democracy.

The educated and wise don't need to send their message forth as the majority have made in abundantly clear that they understand they have been victims of a false democracy (the ones that have not committed suicide or been violently threatened by the regime previously for protesting).

Great article and the bitter and twisted must hate it. They prefer the above form of democracy where 1/15th is the only one respected while the majority stay victims of the party they brought to power. Luckily those poisonous undemocratic days are over.

You never miss a chance for a paranoid anti-red rant, do you? You also once again express your contempt for elections and allude to your secret 15 principles. Any comment about the OP? Care to explain where how child democracy tutors are going to learn the subject themselves?

Paranoid? So you think the above examples are acceptable under a democracy? You cannot even address one of my examples of blatant disrespect of democracy the PTP have abused while simply ignoring their it and falling back on the elections which is my whole point of the above comment. You don't care about democracy. If you did you would address the above. You ignore it thus ignore the majority. You ignore 14 principles for 1. I respect 14 principles with 1 principle (elections) as the gateway to democracy.

Elected or otherwise the Junta were never elected yet they never abused the principles the PTP did.

Paranoid. You bet I am. When democracy is practiced 1 day ever 4 years then I am very worried about the democratic process in Thailand. Very worried.

All you have done is highlight that you have no respect for democracy yet harp on 1. You don't care if the democratic process is abused as long as 1 principle is adhered to.

Contempt for election…I love elections. I embrace them. I want the people to vote. I also want the govt that hare voted in to represent the people…They didn't before. They represented a criminal fugitive…I want elections to represent the people. I want those people to be able to protest without being threatened with violence or called garbage if they do protest. I love elections as long as democracy is practiced after them.

Any comment on the OP? You bet ya…Inform the population that democracy does not involve the above abuses of it that I have highlighted. Remember all the "it is wrong to" comments I made….? Remember or is that blinded out with the word "elections"?

Where will the Thai youth learn about democracy? They won't leant it in UDD schools up north that are held in red villages that ostracize anyone or intimidate anyone holding a differing viewpoint. The schools that have no international standing or structured academic framework. Schools whose curriculum is based on the teaching of Dr Weng and Jatuporn whose teachings come from the Maoist teachings of Vietnam. This school run by the UDD don;t even respect their own principles yet they teach democracy. They applaud terrorism yet they teach democracy. They ignore criminal activity yet they teach democracy. The leaders hide like cowards when bail hearings are held and come out when a favorable response is received yet they teach democracy. They threaten and abuse protestors when those protestors don't suit their agenda, but the teach democracy.

The students of democracy will learn it in the echelons of society that the UDD most fear. Universities and high schools. Places of education that the UDD fear to tread. Places that are academically recognized around the world. Not just in in Issan.

AGain for you to ignore every abuse of democracy that I have highlighted to harp on about 1 tiny part of democracy (elections) shows the students could teach you a thing or 14 about democracy too. Shame on you my friend that you ignore the abuses of a regime you blindly defend.

The majority deserve better and you have shown through your comment you have no regard for the majority. Just the majority being used as a tool to further an agenda.

What car bomb? you know 100% more than the Police it was the UDD behind this?

Gimme the lottery numbers for next week mate

Dejavu.

I remember reading these same comments when I said the reds were behind burning down the government buildings up North in 2010. I remember reading these same comments when I said the rice scheme would fail and would be full of corruption. I remember reading these comments when I said the UDD were behind the grenade attacks on the PDRC. I remember reading these same comments when I said the UDD will threaten the farmers if they came out to protest in 2013…

All turned out true yet the same comments and the desperate denial still permeates the forum.

Have a lovely evening my friend and stay safe.

Shame on these red shirts.

Previously they used farmers as tools for political gain. Not paying them, threatening them if they protested, ignoring their calls for a forum to discuss the situation and then blaming the PDRC for it.

Today they were taken off air and given a warning to work within certain guidelines and then allowed to go to air again. Then they do exactly the same thing that took them off air last time and are banned from broadcasting. Reconciliation is not spewing hate and creating division in society while describing anyone that disagrees with your view point in terms that would be banned from any TV station around the world.

UDD follow a template and this example is not different. They have become so irrelevant they are really reaching to gain attention now and it seems to be working. Knowing full well that spewing hate on the airwaves would have them banned and after being given a warning and not changing any programming style or delivery they, predictably, were banned again. One would think that they would do something different so as not to be banned, but that was not their plan. So now they have a platform to work off to be seen as relevant again and back in the spotlight while trying to make the Junta look bad. SO instead of the farmers this time as the expendable pawns it is the 100 or so workers of the TV station that are cast aside for this weak political maneuvering.

As if the car bomb was not enough.

Expect a lot more of this from the death throws of a dying desperate UDD.

Amazing Thailand.

The previous govt brought in the first car buyers scheme to encourage people to use cars which saw record numbers of cars purchased and traffic jams increase.

3 years later the new govt (and rightly so) encourage people to stop using cars and encourage alternate "green" forms of transport.

Well done on the BMA to encourage this and I hope it gains traction and is embraced by Bangkokians.

With no transparency, who knows employment figures? All i ever see are Burmese workers!

The official unemployment rate is below.

Bloomberg has done a piece here explaining why the unemployment rate is so low as well.

When you add to the employment equation the thousands of young men conscripted into military service and retail store employees where one out of three is actually contributing revenues, a 1% unemployed would equate to 5%.

So you agree then that the official unemployment rate that is recognized globally by economists is 0.82% then?

Lets hope who ever did it is caught and punished to the full extent of the law.

I would not go so far as to torture him. That would make me just as bad as him and show I have no respect for the law.

Poor kid though. At least he is young enough to not remember it later in life.

Lets hope they learnt that;

It is wrong to pass an amnesty bill that the majority did not want, but one unelected, accused mass murderer, accused terrorist, convicted criminal fugitive did want

It is wrong to disallow the opposition to debate constitutional amendments that an unelected fugitive did wan

It is wrong to tell voters they will get what they want when they vote PTP and if they don't they will get nothing.

It is wrong to allow a convicted criminal to run the country under the guise of democracy

It is wrong to intimidate families in Khon Kaen at the university that wanted to hear the Right Honorable Abhisit speak, but had to take their crying children home because of the fear that was installed in them

It is wrong to force the majority (at the barrel of a gun mind you) to stop protesting because the voice of THAT majority did not suit the governments agenda.

It is wrong to lie to the public and when found out tell them white lies don’t count because it is installing confidence.

It is wrong to tell protestors that they are garbage.

It is wrong to threaten protesters with threats of violence under the guise of democracy.

It is wrong to foster confidence in flood management even though the flood management control centre flooded

It is wrong to get away with an unelected criminal pining the insignia on a police chief that is supposed to arrest unelected criminals

It is wrong to silence the opposition by telling the media "The driver did it

It is wrong to threaten to behead themselves if an unelected leader of a government is not back in Thailand by the 1st of January 2013.

It is wrong to run a country with only a 40% parliamentary attendance rate

It is wrong to chair a rice scheme with a 0% attendance rate

​It is wrong to dissolve parliament with no plan to pay rice farmers

It is wrong to disrespect elections and then scapegoat the Junta for the coup when the defense minister refused to defend polling stations with her very own military. Not one command. Not one order. Not one promise. Not even anyone ordering the army on her behalf! She was not in the Maldives at that stage.

It is wrong to blame the tax payer, the rural doctors, the rice farmers,the corn farmers, the woman's league, the first car buyers that defaulted on loans, the environmentalists (garbage), the rubber farmers, academics, unions, businesses, students, teachers, academics, public servants, consumer advocates, economists, scientists, businessmen, judges, lawyers, professors and soldiers for all the faults of the PTP.

It is wrong to set up red villages to intimidate opposition that live in those very villages and ostracize people that hold a different view.

It is wrong to set up red schools to "teach" a form of democracy that would make the Maosit teachers of China blush. Heay Dr Weng!

It is wrong to let terrorist act with impunity arresting 0% of government terrorists while 100% of opposition terrorists ARE arrested.

Lets hope these fine examples of the future of Thailand understand what has been wrong with democracy in Thailand instead of putting their head in the sand and ignoring it while bleating the only principle they adhere too. Elections. Then after the elections the democratic system is abused and we go full circle and the same people scream "elections" again completely ignoring the fact that there is one day of democracy in Thailand (election day) while everyday in between is an abuse of democracy.

The educated and wise don't need to send their message forth as the majority have made in abundantly clear that they understand they have been victims of a false democracy (the ones that have not committed suicide or been violently threatened by the regime previously for protesting).

Great article and the bitter and twisted must hate it. They prefer the above form of democracy where 1/15th is the only one respected while the majority stay victims of the party they brought to power. Luckily those poisonous undemocratic days are over.

I hope they don't get bail.

(I hope this comment doesn't break any forum rules)

Hey guys

I heard of someone getting the visa. They applied 28th May 2014, got the visa 16th april 2015.

Got the visa yet?

I have been reading on other forums that the average time is 9 months. Some have been getting them in 8 months, but I have not seen one that is over 11 months.

I read that when it gets to about 11 months and depending on circumstances the embassy will ask you if 1 month will be enough time to travel to Australia. If so then no issues. If not then the wife needs to get another medical and police check done to extend the entry time past 12 months.

For me 1 month certainly would not be enough time as we have to sell the house, all assets etc before we can move over.

Good luck anyway and let us know when it is granted.

With no transparency, who knows employment figures? All i ever see are Burmese workers!

The official unemployment rate is below.

Bloomberg has done a piece here explaining why the unemployment rate is so low as well.

Thawil and a few kool aid drinkers obviously didn't look up the definitions of the word crackdown,

Noun 1. crackdown - severely repressive actions

crushing, quelling, stifling, suppression - forceful prevention; putting down by power or authority; "the suppression of heresy"; "the quelling of the rebellion"; "the stifling of all dissent"

Whilst the Reds were out of control, the setting up of live fire zones isn't a normal practice and the comment about if western Military had done this there would have been more deaths is completely false.

I have personally stood on a riot line in Londonderry, Northern Ireland back in the 1980's and faces 10,000 rioting republicans throwing everything they could at us. And we used baton rounds and sound tactics to disperse them, not a single protestor was left dead, but lots of squaddies were injured!!

Typically western militaries DONT get involved in internal security issues so it's a moot point, the military in most western countries are rarely involved in such issues.

Crackdown is quite apt, if it wasn't one, what else would you call it ? A domestic disturbance? If it wasn't a crackdown then it coup easily be said it wasn't a riot but hey, what's in a name? 90 people mostly civilians were left dead, due to actions on both sides.

You truly have no idea or simply ignore every response presented to you.

I cannot believe you are a self confessed DEM supporter. You said it, not me. That shows the confusion in the rank and file of the UDD supporters and explains your confusion in your above comment.

Apparently the red where not out of control…They were peaceful protestors? That has changed now heay?

Stood in front of a line heay? Throwing everything they could heay? Grenades, M79's, stolen military weapons? B8llsh*t. If they threw that at you you would not stand there and take the injuries.

Typical military don't get involved……Well they do when the police are aligned with a criminal element of the opposition and when commanded to not let anyone through official government lines continue to do so then they are not worthy of overseeing security lest more innocent people be killed.

A crackdown? You bet ya….6 weeks of anarchy on the streets with soldiers dead, police kidnapped, hospitals stormed, grande attacks on banks and government building with the govt doing nothing in return. You bet there was a crackdown…It came to late though. ˇoo many died due to the red terrorists emboldened confidence due to the govt's lethargy.

When do you reckon a crackdown should occur…After Jatuporn's terrorists set fire to Central Plaza!!!

But being a self confessed DEM supporter you agree with me right….

I would have thought that to establish the direction from where the bullets were fired from is a fairly basic exercise in forensics today>??

Did they not recover the bullets? If so then this was a very high velocity bullet, possibly a solid nose, and usually the type fired by the army.

Despite witnesses hearing the direction of the firing and the very unlikely scenario of the protesters murdering their own.....this whole thing stinks.

Are we at all surprised?? Did anyone seriously beleive that a Thai court with Thai "Judges" would want to get to the truth and point the finger at the army??

Not entirely true, using sounds to gauge where the fatal shit came from, but witness statements of where he was standing and the direction he was facing and then doing basic line of sight appreciation would give you decent idea of the firers position.

Alm they are saying as well is that it was a "high velocity" that doesn't really help as it could be any calibre between .22 and 7.62 and even larger up to .50 inch. I'm pretty sure an autopsy is quite thorough enough to be able to determine the calibre these days too.

Should it have revealed that the cause of death was a .308/.338 that kind of narrows the weapons down.....considerably and really only points to one source.

The sad part here is the family are still none the closer to finding out the truth in his death and the finger pointing will continue, even more so here!!

The one source being the Army? That conveniently over looks the reality that Thai Army weapons and munitions regularly go missing even from supposed secure Army sites. And also that Thaksins chief in arms of his treason attacks on Bangkok (Sah Dueang) was also high ranking renegade Army and would have been probably able to secure the same munitions. It also conveniently overlooks that Thaksins Men in Black were also armed with heavy modern weaponry.

Remarkably some in this thread have already concluded it is the Army without the knowledge of even knowing what the calibres were or considering all the options. But then that is common for a lot on this site.

Remarkably some in this thread have already concluded it was the red shirts without the knowledge of even knowing what the calibre a were or considering all the options, But then again the is common for a lot on this site.

Are you familiar with what weapons use .308/.338 rounds?

I am and I can assure you if the redshirts had these weapons especially the with claims of the MIB, as a highly trained "military" type of unit there would have been a lot more Army fatalities, which thankfully there wasn't.

The claims they were highly trained where made by the UDD leaders and then the denying they said it commenced after they found it did not suit their agenda…Sigh…...

Love the logic though. Because the MIB did not kill many soldiers they did not exist or were common untrained street thugs or were unarmed. The lack of fatalities on the soldiers side shows the military were correct in coming in and shutting down the terrorists when they did and Suthep and Ahbisit are to be commended for potentially saving a lot of innocent soldiers lives.

It is a sad ending to the court case though with the only light at the end of the tunnel being Tida as a representative of the 7%'ers actually respecting a court verdict instead of allowing her supporters to burn effigies of the judges or throw sh*t at the court houses. That fact alone justifies article 44.

But then, will see the court house bombed in the coming weeks.

He certainly has a lot riding on the success of the economy, country and stability. With the failure of any of them is a sign he has failed and will create a united front by previously political foes. The reds have stated as such political observers are watching to see how it develops.

That is what the red shirts are counting on and why the instability brought on by bombings has hit Thailand in the not so distant past.

Lets hope the government news permeates through society so the population can see where the government that they so overwhelmingly support are being productive.

Of course if the government didn't release news updates they would be described as a "non transparent government" and when they do the updates are dismissed as "this is just propaganda". The bitter and twister ethos of no matter what the govt do we have to denounce them however illogical because we desperately want the country to fail so the PTP can look good. Forget the majority casualties in the process.

I say good luck to this and a wonderful initiative that the DEMS actually used when they had a website dedicated to transparency which reflected budgets, projects, progress reports etc. Of course that was very quickly taken down as the next govt did not want to follow suit.

They don't like the truth or criticism of their manufactured truth.

Closing down TV stations because they challenge the Governments version of events is not a good sign for the future and the people of this country

They don't like the truth or criticism?

So you have a breakdown of what was said on "Peace TV" then? Can you please share this because as you know I rely on FACTS and opposed to BELIEFS.

Being a red shirt station if history is anything to go by it was shut down due to trying to divide society through hate, promote sedition, organize violence and simply spew an evil propaganda that propagated and fostered the violence and death the reds made famous in 2013/14. Their ethos in a petri dish would explode into a blood red fungus that only 7% of the population agree with while they use this TV station as a front to desperately stay relevant while the majority of Thai's have already simply turned their back on them. (with the exception of course of a few TVF farangs)

Financially crippling newspapers that didn't toe the shin party line was not a good sign for the future of the people of the country either yet they where an apparent democratic government…The Junta never purported to be democratic!!!

So you complain when an undemocratic Junta is undemocratic, but you have no qualms with a 1/15th democratic government being undemocratic.

Speaking of beliefs. Have you been on holiday lately? I am eager to know the latest official tourist numbers...