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Got it! PR from the 2006 batch.

The process was quite easy in 3 steps: PR from the Chaengwattana Immigration Office. Then to the local police station (in my case Lam Luk Ka) to obtain the brown/red Alien Certificate, and finally to the municipal office to be inscribed in the Tabien Baan. One day for each - so in total I spent three days.

Now, I have to go back to Chaengwattana for the stamps, and hope everything is in order.

May those poor souls RIP, and the killers BURN.

Agree

Valium is probably one of the most successful medicines invented, with curative effects and few side effects. See http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?...amp;name=VALIUM - the average patient's rating is 4.2 which is very high. A common cholesterol drug as Crestor has a rating of only 1.8 by patients who use it (plenty of side effects).

As the child seems to be intellectually sound, at least there is nothing to the contrary reported, how is he going to feel as he gets older? "Of course, had we found out in time that you were abnormal, we would have aborted you and had a normal son later. As it was, we have to make do with the 12 million baht 'freak show' money".

I agree with you.

I guess there are only two choices. One is to get yourself put on a friend's tabien baan and the other is to buy a condo.

Thanks. So there is no problem using a friend's TB?

Can I or he face any difficulties?

My neighbour told me that our landlord refuses to issue her a tabien baan, so I think I will face the same problem if I get the PR. I am in the 2006 application group.

I am sure I'm not the first person facing this problem. What to do?

Yes, it may be true.

It can be viewed as he outsmarted the fugitive, or backstabbed.....

Is it true that the BBC bank/Saxena lent out lots of money to politicians without collateral?

Good posting! Get it out in the open. No need to cover up anything.

Any updates where we can buy dehumidifiers? I can't use an airconditioner since I will use it to keep valuables dry and free of mold. If you use an airconditioner, and then turn it off, water will condense as droplets on surfaces and make the objects wet and this actually makes the mold problem worse.

Toluene - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluene" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluene</a>

Pyridine - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyridine" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyridine</a>

Methyl Chloride (Chloromethane) - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloromethane" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloromethane</a>

Acetylene - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetylene" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetylene</a>

All of these chemicals mentioned are simple organic compounds. If they were found together, it is most likely that they are break-down products from more complex compounds - pesticides perhaps.

It is very unlikely that they were purposefully used as individual compounds or together as a mix in a room.

It is not enough to eradicate illiteracy among children. You also have to eradicate illiteracy among adults. This is especially important since a literate adult is more likely to support the education of his/her offspring. And, the adult has a right to literacy himself/herself.

Also, basic literacy (able to read, write, calculate) is not enough. Functional literacy is needed where individuals (children and adults) learn skills so as to function adequately in the society.

I thought the murderer was likely Thai, not Saudi

I have seen the website of phiphiislanddeaths, and it seems the owner of Laleena guest house has something to hide. Why else is she non-cooperative and showing no empathy for the victims. It doesn't take Poirot to figure out that her conscience is not clean.

Any innocent person involved with two unexplained deaths would be devastated and sad. Since she is non-cooperative, there is little chance getting to the bottom of the case (such as probable fumigation without proper ventilation).

The Thailand autopsy report is a joke. It was about three pages long and most of it was margin space and emblems. I believe here in the states an autopsy report starts at around 20 pages, and for something like what happened to Jill would be much longer.

It did verify that there were NO drugs or alcohol in her system, so those bogus rogue Thailand reports from "Government officials" can be put to rest. The only bit of information we got out of it was a low level of the enzyme Acetylcholinesterase. Please take a look at this Wiki page about what could cause this enzyme to be lowered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetylcholinesterase_inhibitor

Yes, this fits well with the earlier conclusion - namely pesticide poisoning. Probably because the rooms were fumigated (a chemical smell was detected), and these two rooms with aircon had their windows shut, unlike the other rooms with no aircon where windows must have been open to let the fumes out.

Pesticides (organophosphates) are all powerful acetylcholinesterase inhibitors. It has nothing to do with cholera!

Obviously the guesthouse owner is not prepared to admit to fumigation - so it will be hard to prove.

There are thousands of chemicals that can cause poisoning and the symptoms mentioned. So, I think it is not fruitful to speculate on individual compounds until we have more evidence on hand.

But then, how did the insecticide, which we don't even know if it exists anywhere on the island and aren't aware that its ever been used, kill 2 people and injured 2 more.... yet had no effect in the slightest on the people occupying rooms beside and above those mortally effected?

That's easy to explain. Insecticides/pesticides are available everywhere and used everywhere in Thailand, and surely available on Phi Phi as well. The two rooms where the deaths occured were the only air con rooms. Obviously, the other rooms with no aircon were left with open windows to get the fumes out while the aircon rooms did not 'need to' open the windows, just turn the aircon on. But, then the air would be circulated inside rather than ventilated out of the room.

It is quite evident at this point that gas from fumigation is the likely cause. It can be any of a wide variety of pesticides as mentioned earlier (paraquat, organic phosphorous compounds, etc - they act in similar ways).

My opinion is pesticide/insecticide poisoning.

Fits with the symptoms.

"When people eat spoiled food , they get diarrhea and if they have it long enough or are in bad health to begin with, maybe they die from dehydration and complications thereof - BUT NOT within 12 hours"

Yes, I agree.

Pufferfish, called pakpao, are also consumed in Thailand, usually by mistake, at times these fish are eaten because they are cheaper to buy, and there is little awareness or monitoring of the situation. Patients are regularly hospitalized or die as there are no specific preparations to remove the toxin before eating.

They did not eat fish, see previous posts.

Another source of poisoning must be found.

If sewage gases came up through the pipes, I think this would easily have been recognized as 'sewage odour'. I am more likely to think of pesticides. Many Thai homes (mine included) and businesses are sprayed with pesticides to keep pests at bay. Pesticides not used in US and Europe anymore, but cheap. These have a 'chemical' smell that was noticed by the guests.

And the owners are likely not acknowledge it, since they will be blamed.

Yes, I agree with the above post that since they stayed in rooms next to each other, the problem may lie in the guesthouse. The bf of the American girl who died mentioned a strong, chemical smell in the room when they checked in. Perhaps the guest house had sprayed with pesticides? It is common in Thailand to use pesticides that have been banned in the West.

Anyway, if the guesthouse is responsible in any way, they are likely to conceal any guilt and not admit it.

Legionella is a disease caused by bacteria. You don't die from any (I think?) bacterial disease so fast, in a few hours. All bacteria need time to multiply and cause death. Therefore, some kind of poison, e.g. from the water purification plant perhaps, is much more likely.

I have translated the latest news from the Norwegian newspaper VG . (Sorry about any misspellings)

Thank you very much for your news post, balo... (which you did very well, btw)

This is a perplexing situation on Phi Phi now with four recent deaths there (including the unidentified man in the other current thread) with some of them possibly related, but at the same time, perhaps none of them are.

Hopefully today's autopsy can shed some light on at least the American's cause of death.

Please continue to update us all as you find additional Norwegian news and thank you again.

Is there any information anywhere as to how the surviving Norwegian woman was medically treated being that she is now in good shape and survived ??

How did they know what to treat her with ...? What medication did they give her as they stated that she was also in very bad shape when admitted ....???

My understanding, if it is correct, is that she might have died from dehydration due to the violent vomiting. What caused the vomiting is the question. The surviving girl was probably treated for dehydration in time.

Actually, in the Norwegian newspapers, they mention that no cyanide has been found in the victim.

It may be a possibility that there is some fault with the aircon as mentioned above, but it is probably too early to say. We have to wait for the autopsy reports.

now cyanide - extremely mysterious!

heard it from the grapevine that there is a custom to "fish" with arsenic....

but cyanide from the a/c...?

Not correct. Arsenic acts much too slowly to catch fish. Cyanide is used for illegal fishing around coral reefs, yes.

Thanks for correcting this!

as I wrote... hearsay - however the much better - it only came to mind with the mentioning of poisoning

I always wondered how the cyanide - if it kills the fish, after wards effects the diner!?

But now the news tell us that there was no cyanide...

We'll see - terrible for everyone involved!

Cyanide kills animals, including humans, in seconds or minutes. That's why it can be used to paralyze or kill the fish fast. It is normally ejected from some kind of pump directly onto the coral reefs to kill the fish. At the same time though, it kills the corals and other life on it!!

This practice is illegal, of course.

Most of the cyanide is probably washed away before the fish is cooked and served.....