Steve2UK

7 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

For 10+ years I received an affidavit from the US Embassy for 65K+ income either at the embassy in Bangkok or on counselor outreach. And for all those years I then received the one-year extension with me physically present in the Immigration office.

 

Neither the US Embassy counselor officials nor any IMM officer in 2 different locations ever suggested there was any Thailand tax obligations related to my stated or proved foreign-sourced income.

This pretty much matches my experience/practice for many years from 2006. For most of those years, I was a] receiving rental income from a property in the UK and b] annually supplying the property agent's rental statements to the (up-country) British Consulate - who duly (for a fat fee) gave me a consul-stamped affidavit showing 65K+ baht income for presentation to Immigration to facilitate retirement visa extensions (in person, natch). In all those years I never exited Thailand. No mention from anyone of tax return filing obligations. Eventually, the British Consulate ditched this 'service' and announced that all future such affidavits could only be issued from the Bangkok embassy -  applied for by/supplied to me in person. As we Brits say "F**k that for a game of soldiers" - and I switched to the 800k baht on deposit route....and still no mention of tax returns from anyone. The years passed and I eventually sold the UK property - wiring the x baht millions of much of the sale proceeds to my Thai bank account and used some to buy a Thai property. Still no mention of filing a Thai tax return........from anyone.

I doubt that my retirement experience is particularly exceptional. Granted - those from other countries (and likely still 'trading' stocks etc) may have different mileage.

21 hours ago, eyeman said:

 

Sadly (3) I've actually observed, I think it was the half A4 overstay disclaimer you're forced to sign - on the flip side was someone's passport, shocking disregard for data privacy

For a couple of years a while back, my local Imm office was in the habit of using half A4 'backsides' of other people's photocopies on which to print my 90-day address report certification. Several times, the other side showed someone else's passport picture page. Fortunately, that practice eventually stopped - but it should never have started.

38 minutes ago, Mike Lister said:

Laugh all you want but here's a partial list of some of the reports that BOT requires the banks to submit.

 

https://www.bot.or.th/content/dam/bot/fipcs/documents/FPG/2561/EngPDF/25610096.pdf

Mike, not wanting to argue, but it does read (as implied in the intro) like it's standard Central Bank monitoring of total flows by period and method & operator - with no identifying of individuals/amounts within those totals? - i.e. part of monitoring the overall flow/shape of the formal national economy?

16 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Do you think Revenue would just be saying to Immigration: Please?

Nope - if it came to the point, laws etc would be passed. OTOH Immigration are a division of RTP who are a potent force with a variety of levers to pull and pressure points to apply - not all of them in the open.....

Given the notorious widespread Thai inter-departmental rivalries/turf wars - maybe not so hard to foresee ('your issue, not ours') resistance..... at least until they 'got something out of it'.

6 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

If the revenue folks really wanted a tax filing every year for the past 10 years they could have stationed an RD investigator at every decent size immigration office to buttonhole farangs as to whether they have submitted their annual tax form.

I've been here (retirement visa) since 2006, consider myself fairly well-informed (since before arriving) on Thai bureaucracy and the first I knew anything of farang being (much) the same as Thai citizens taxwise was when this latest Paw161/Paw162 hoo-ha started......

At very least RD could have provided immigration offices with leaflets stating that retiree farang 'tax residents' are obliged to file a tax return (including a link to RD's website?) - ready for the officer (or even just an intern?) dealing with the annual visa extension to slip into the returned passport (it's not like immigration are paper-averse ). Too logical/joined-up? Does make one wonder how readily immigration would cooperate with a new "No tax return = no visa extension" policy.......

4 minutes ago, JimGant said:

 

Not sure I understand your logic.... Yes, many Thais work abroad to get a decent wage. That their country of employment doesn't tax them, and that Thailand doesn't tax them (because of the next year remitted rule), has been a nice bonus. Now, apparently, they'll have to pay Thai income taxes on that nice wage earned abroad. But what's unfair about that? The tax is at the same rate as their Thai neighbors with jobs in Thailand. Why should they get the added bonus by working abroad of no income tax? I guess this is why we're seeing the new ruling proposal -- the Thai working abroad, who has a fatter paycheck than his hometown neighbor, should also be subject to Thai taxes.

Hard to argue with what you've said. That said, I remain persuaded that the Thai RD is really after the multi-millionaire/billionaire class of Thai citizens who have long played the 'high-roller' overseas game with stock-market/investment dealings and have repatriated their overseas profits (rather than mere salary) all according to volatile exchange rates generally and - more particularly - the hitherto very 'useful' (aka lucrative) 'previous year' tax loophole. On past form, I'm less persuaded that that class won't find/create ways to stay way ahead of any loophole-closing measures that Thai RD can come up with - and enforce.

2 hours ago, James105 said:

 

I think its just a case of prepare for the worst and hope for the best, although as someone else pointed out it is pretty clear that any monies transferred into Thailand after 1 Jan will be assessed for tax. 

 

 

With the (beneficial for many) caveat/concession that RD's "Paw162" order (updating/clarifying "Paw161") treats separately funds demonstrably acquired outside Thailand before 1 January 2024 as not assessable for (Thai) tax when remitted to Thailand after 1 January 2024.

See extract from Mazars' advisory below.

BTW I've used the term "funds acquired" because I suspect that words like "earned" and "income" are potentially too tight/misleading for some cases - e.g. that inheritance from Aunt Mary's will and accumulated savings etc. Maybe "assets" is a safe(r) catch-all term? Maybe over-cautious on my part but..... better safe than sorry?

It perhaps goes without saying that some credible form of evidence might be required to show that the remitted-to-Thailand funds were acquired pre-1 January 2024 - even if it's just a personal bank statement showing as much. And, before I get jumped on, I fully accept that some/many have complex/multi-faceted financial dealings that are/will be difficult to compartmentalise.

"Funds acquired" after 1 January 2024? Yes - that (for now) remains a tangled potential nightmare.

1 hour ago, Mike Lister said:

I only occasionally use the branch at UOB but every time I do, my passport is checked and the person flips to the latest visa page.

 

That matches my experience(s) with SCB - along with the obligatory photocopying/signing of the picture page, natch.

11 hours ago, ukrules said:

Not paying any tax is more common than people tend to believe, for example you sell that family house you bought 40 years ago and end up with 500k pounds - you're not paying any tax on that and if you're tax resident in Thailand during that year then good luck with that!

 

That's near enough my* situation. Given that I received the sale proceeds into my UK bank account way earlier in 2023, I'm currently relying on the Paw 162 'clarification' (Mazar's version attached) that when remitting it to my Thai bank account even after January 1st 2024** it won't be taxable. Pure luck - if I sold in 2024, I'd be . My fingers are crossed that Paw 162 stays in place and gets applied.

* Retired and Thailand tax resident year after year.

** Which I see as basically an RD amnesty 'concession'...... and very necessary for many.

27 minutes ago, Mike Lister said:

No, I'm not asked about other accounts and the money I live off during the year. At one point I did commingle the 400k and my spending money, that meant when the bank gave me a letter showing my balance it was in the millions. The Immi officer then asked me reconcile the total amount, back to the amount in the letter, rather than just the 400k. That resulted in me holding accounting 101 for the Immi officer because the total comprised fixed deposits, investments and savings. After that I decided that Immi money would have its very own account and book which didn't include anything else. I don't mind them going overboard by asking for a bank letter and the book but to require a statement also is so much overkill and plain unnecessary that it points towards stupidity rather than an excess of caution on their part..

Many thanks for the prompt response. Can't help but 100% agree with the "....but to require a statement also is so much overkill...." part but I've long since given up even wondering about the "why?" of such things. I just mentally file it under 'TiT' and move on. My MO here is just "Tell me WTF you want/need and I'll comply.....". Incidentally, in a previous year I inadvertently let the bank balance drop about 200 baht below the threshold for all of two days. Courtesy of my well-connected agent, that little episode cost me 15k (cough) 'penalty' to avoid my very longstanding visa being cancelled......

Still and all, I've seen crazier stuff dished out by the UK's tax authority (HMRC).........

3 hours ago, Mike Lister said:

I've just done an extension using a long standing fixed deposit account that has nothing else in it apart from my 400K visa money. This year they wanted copies of every page in the bank book, a statement of the account from my bank covering the past three months and a letter from the bank confirming the balance.  They've become paranoid beyond belief.

That was also my experience when I did my retirement visa extension last September - except they (Immigration) wanted a bank statement covering the full year since my previous extension. Like you, I use the balance maintained at (at least) required level for required period route. I've long used an agent for the annual extensions and give them all the stuff they tell me to (same list as yours). IIRC they also made copies of all the pages in the bank book (or maybe just the last yearsworth?) - I certainly remember signing a vast number of them. Unlike you, I also use that one ('saver') Thai account for all my outgoings*. I do recall that the full year bank statements have been required for at least the last few extensions I've done. Incidentally, my bank balance at the time of that last September extension showed a bit over 18 million baht (remains of a personal property sale proceeds wired in from my UK account). Nothing was said about that during my last extension - but I can't help wondering whether I'll be grilled on "Why no TIN?" (been here since 2006 and never been asked/registered for one) come my September 2024 extension........

* I'm thinking about following your example and setting up a separate untouched deposit account for the 800k baht needed to cover that extension requirement. Does your local Imm office ask you for evidence (e.g. another bank account?) of what you're living on if you're not touching the deposit - or do (did?) they regard that as 'not their concern' providing you met their minimum balance/period maintained threshold? Same same next extension for you - or is the only realistic answer to that (for now) "Who TF knows?"....?

19 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

There's 2 different components, as you suggest:

 

How long one is resident in Thailand per year, and

 

How much money is transferred into the country during that year.

 

The $64K question is: does residence for more than 179 days automatically require filing a tax return, or, if the income is zero, can filing the return be waived?

Your "$64K question" also gets me wondering if the 'new' Thai RD rule/interpretation means that from January 2024 every tax resident foreigner must by default obtain a tax number and submit annual tax returns. I'm a Brit retiree here full-time (i.e. 365 days a year) since 2006. During all those years I've never been asked to register with Thai RD and, of course, never volunteered to do so. In all that time, I've transfered from my UK bank to a Thai bank numerous sums to pay rent etc (certainly totaling well over 150,000 baht a year) and 3 years ago about 10 million baht to fund a house purchase. My last retirement visa extension was with over 10 million baht showing in my Thai bank account. Immigation merely satisfied themselves that I had the minimum balance of 800,000 baht in my account for the relevant period - and duly extended my visa.

Should I be expecting them to ask for a tax (paid) certificate or somesuch come my 2024 extension?

I've been doing my level best to grasp/decide what to do......

To keep this query simple:

1] I'm a longtime Thailand resident - since 2006

2] UK passport holder - retired long since (age 73 & counting) living in Thailand on retirement visa

3] Never involved in/registered for Thai tax

4] Rented out UK property & occasionally transfered proceeds to Thai bank account for living expenses etc

5] Since (2 years ago) sold UK property and now want to send sale proceeds to Thailand bank account for use here

Query:

Given proposed Thai RD changes, should I move the money into Thai bank account before/by 31 December 2023 - or wait till after 1 January 2024 (i.e. when Thai revenue changes dust may have settled  and it's 'reportedly' [currently] pre-threshold income & [if so] thus not Thai-taxable)?

Back in my UK-domiciled days, I used to buy at least a couple of "hifi" mags a month - avidly soaking up all the lab tests and other articles. I think, like much of such targeted publishing, it's basically porn - but then, I also used to buy gardening books and watch gardening programmes..... all when I had little more than a couple of window boxes. What cured me of the hifi mag habit was when I saw a four-page group-test review of mains cables (just the cables - not noise reduction/surge control units). That really seemed to be going just too far - even for my addiction.

Now I'll wait for others to tell me how blind (deaf) to the all-too-obvious differences I'm being.....

Interesting, ... not venturing to make a purchase immediately, so not willing to call ... but would like to know where the new shop is in HDong, since I pass often. Last time I dropped into the Green the gentleman gave me some good info on the economy of Chinese digital to analogue valve amps that I should follow up on some time.

"Sod's Law" for me..... I live about 30 secs walk from the original shop. Now that I need to sort out some repair/replacement issues for my kit, they're not there. Spoke to him on the 'phone today and he gave me what sounds like a good tip for a place to go for amp/CD player repairs (called Future - just before Makro next to Superhighway) after Amorn had told me "Oh, too old - cannot". I may yet get some new kit through him, so I plan to pay a call down in Hang Dong. As and when I have, I'll post the location/outcome etc. I think he's happy enough to advise (if you decide to call) - he obviously loves his subject. Naturally, it wouldn't be fair to abuse the privilege......

You might try CD Green on Sukkasem Rd, a kilometer or so past Lanna Hospital and the Lanna Polytechnic. They've got some decent imported name brand stuff there and prices seem reasonable by local standards.

An update: The CD Green shop and restaurant have closed at Sukkasem. The shop is now operated from half of Khun Naht's (?) house in Hang Dong. Still the same great service - they just got tired of the commute from Hang Dong. For directions, call him on 081 882 0795 - he speaks excellent English.

Abhisit should also slam permanent ministers who served in his "clean" government not to keep so much cash in their homes. Surely Swiss bank accounts are a safer alternative.

Without going too much off topic, this particular permanent secretary served under several governments, since 2001.

Nice try and [cough] "neat" wording. He was first appointed Permanent Secretary in 2009 - reportedly at BJT's instigation.....

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/Supoj-appointed-permanent-secretary-for-Transport-30112260.html

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/02/02/business/Bhum-Jai-Thai-bolstering-Transport-Ministry-perman-30121619.html

Some reading about T-cut here:

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110307105212AAQV4kT

quote:"Only use T-cut if you know what you are doing as it removes a layer of paint so applying to a small area will make things 10x worse and dull the surrounding area as you would have removed the lacquer.

T-cut is terrible stuff that has ruined many a car in the wrong hands."

I've had some swirling scratches after some "painter",who was suppose to restore the paint,didn't do it correct...had to take the car to another one,who fixed it for 900Bt.It's a very dark blue color,so it shows all the imperfection quite good,but also it's an older car,so can't complain to much...

Good point about what T-Cut does/can do that's not welcome. Hence my looking for the version that includes the black stain/dye - so the action is more like shoe polish. Any thoughts on who to go to "fix it"?

Hi all - long time no see.

Does anyone know where I can get hold of "T-Cut" colour restorer (black)? I've seen the basic T-Cut (or an imitation) but it's basically just another liquid rubbing compound. Having tried that, I'm still left with masses of fine white scratches on the hood/bonnet that even a good waxing can't cover (looks like the previous owner used a kitchen scouring pad at some point). Therefore I need something with black dye/stain in it to cover them - e.g. T-Cut (black) or equivalent.

If I can find the right stuff, I'm happy to put in the hard work myself. Failing that, can anyone recommend a place that will do the job properly?

Thanks in advance for any useful suggestions.

I fail to see how the military can defend a device that either:

A) doesn't work

Is so complicated to operate that even scientists can't effectively operate it.

Are you talking about the G200 devices

or

the current Thai political system ?

It seems that (at least parts of) the Thai military may themselves be a bit confused as to which GT200 they were/are "staunchly defending"..... Included in the televised presentation was this slide:

It shows the GT200 chip architecture employed in a range of nVidia video graphics cards popular among PC game-players etc (cf. http://techreport.com/articles.x/14934 ). This "snafu" slide is now doing the rounds of the blogosphere - together with a handily annotated excerpt of the televised coverage which features it:

One can assume that the hapless personnel who mistakenly included it in a presentation fronted by Army chief Anupong are now contemplating their future - though it has also been suggested* that its inclusion may have been deliberate and calculated to imply that there is electronic circuitry inside the Army's GT200 (with the assumption that the Thai media wouldn't dream of questioning it). Judging by comments on the Youtube video, the consensus seems to favour cock-up over conspiracy. What do TVF members think?

* http://asiancorrespondent.com/bangkok-pund...ry-intelligence

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My love of democracy is perhaps a little less militant and biased than some.

But I accept France is still working on theirs after what, 300 years? So we are early days yet.

You're in exalted company, SR. Attributed to Zhou Enlai in the 1960s (and to Mao) about the impact of the 1789 French Revolution: "It's too early to tell". But then, I have similar feelings about Magna Carta......

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You can spend the remaining future of this thread whining about it, but I still find it strange there are no pictures of the event to date, other than what has been broadcast on DTV. Bottom line - if a few rolling clips from DTV are the only verification we have of these 100,000 people, then excuse me if I take it with a rather large bag of salt.

I note your "whining" comment - I haven't been and have no intention of starting. I responded directly and clearly to your post #34 to provide links to two (AFAIK independent) reports of the event(s); you didn't respond about them at that time (or since) so who apart from you knows what your view of them may be? You had also asked for event pics and I later provided a link to a source of footage clips. I make it clear that viewing the clips is not about proving numbers. Your numbers wrangling with poleax is between the two of you - I've already said in my response to hammered what I think of such "numbers games". Include me out and enjoy the salt.

When I was active in demos back home we use dot work on double the police number and halve the organisers and if they matched which often they did then that was your number.

In Thailand the ratio may be soemwhat different. Polcie chiefs etc lose their jobs if demos are too big and organisers at every level are usually rewarded financially for numbers so the police quite likely underestimate big time and organisersd overestimate big time

Anyway the numbers dont really matter too much unless they hit the humongous amount of 500K up of which there certainly havent been any in Thiland's recent history.

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Hammered, I agree - and have never regarded the "numbers game" played by any side as anything more than just that...... a really rather futile game (and your "halve one and double the other estimate" formula coincides with my own experience elsewhere). Below a given headline-grabbing threshold e.g. "million man march" or the 500k that you mention, I see them as largely irrelevant - bemusing as it is to see partial posters either pouncing on sizeable numbers as "victories" or gleefully dismissing them as "failures" and the entire event as irrelevant when the obviously exaggerated forecast predictably doesn't materialise. Fine for competitive pinball players, but rather less useful in this context.

What I do see more mention of is how more widespread and frequent district-level events (rallies, fund-raising concerts/"dinners" etc - and now the "schools") appear to be becoming...... as opposed to the earlier focus on concentrating a large number from around the country in so-called "mass rallies" in BKK as individual events - notwithstanding the one mooted for this month. Hence my earlier reference to Bangkok Pundit's commentary on the point - together with thoughts there about fund-raising and the potential significance for UDD's post-Thaksin future. As it happens, I've just noticed a reader's comment on exactly this change of emphasis on the new post that led me to the Marwan "schools" article I quoted above ( http://asiancorrespondent.com/bangkok-pund...school#comments ). By their nature, such relatively "minor" events are unlikely to be reported much if at all in the Thai MSM - and past evidence suggests that The Nation's (and Post's) staff are also unlikely to change their preference for reporting little (and investigating less) that happens too far from their respective offices.

THAILAND:

Anti-gov’t Movement Opens Rural Minds through ‘Schools’

Marwaan Macan-Markar

BAAN MUANG, Thailand, Feb 10 (IPS) - Adult education of a novel kind is making its way through this remote town of rice farmers, who are drawn to it by a desire to learn about this kingdom’s deep political and social divisions.

On a recent Sunday, over 700 men and women filled the main hall of a private technical college in Baan Muang, in Thailand’s north-eastern province of Sakon Nakhon, to get their introductory lesson. Some of the students, whose ages ranged from the early 30s to the mid-70s, came from here; some from neighbouring villages.

The uniform they wore for this whole day of lectures and discussions revealed where their political loyalties lay in this South-east Asian nation’s colour-coded political schism. All sported the red shirts of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), a protest movement with strong links to the ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

Songkan Chumpunsa was among them. The 39-year-old paddy farmer’s return to the halls of learning comes 25 years after she, like many others in this rural community, finished formal education in elementary school. She was 12 years old at that time.

Songkan’s quest for knowledge that drew her to the Sunday school is rooted in the events of April 2009, when mayhem broke out in Bangkok after UDD supporters clashed with the Thai military and were vanquished by a superior armed force.

"This is the first time I am joining this school," says Songkan, a mother of two children. "I want to learn about injustice and what is wrong in our country after I became an active supporter of the Red Shirts after the April crackdown last year."

Her views are echoed by Pathamawan Sriwongudonslip, who gave up her normal Sunday routine tending to the orchids in her garden to don a red shirt and to listen to lectures on political, social and economic injustice that voters in rural Thailand have been subjected to by Bangkok’s royalist-dominated political machine.

The 67-page manual distributed to students like Songkan and Pathamwan leave little doubt that these "political schools," as the UDD leaders describe them, have aims that are far from bridging this country’s deep and widening political and social fault lines. With its deceptive soft-pink cover, the manual hammers away at the pro-royalist political establishment, or the ‘Amart’, as it is known in Thai.

"(In the Amart’s point of view), the majority of Thai people are ignorant and easily bought and have low moral consciousness. It is inappropriate if we let the low-class people, including the low-class rich, use the power of the majority," declares one chapter of ‘Political Guidelines’, describing how the country’s majority voters, the rural poor, are perceived by the ‘Amart’.

"Thailand has to destroy this kind of fighting based on majority power no matter how (undemocratic) it is, no matter how many people are killed," the text continues, trying to drive home the point to the rural poor about the power of their vote and who seeks to emasculate that.

"I want to expose the contradictions in our society, the double standards, the political and economic injustice," reveals Dr Weng Tojirakarn, one of the UDD leaders spearheading this education programme for the anti-government protest movement’s increasingly politically awakened supporters. "We are trying to educate the people about the need to understand who the real enemies of Thai democracy are."

And it is his role as a political educator that brought the 58-year-old family physician to this province on a Sunday. On weekends, he launches into this career as a lecturer, criss-crossing the provincial hinterland. Weekdays find him in his Bangkok clinic, caring for his patients.

Dr Weng and his team of four lecturers expect busy times ahead, given the growing demand for these "political schools" in the north and north-east provinces. The Sunday school in Baan Muang became the 10th that has opened since the UDD embarked on this line of activity late last year. Similar sessions have been held in the provinces of Chiang Mai, Khon Kaen and the neighbouring province of Udon Thani.

"We’ll open four schools the next weekend (Feb. 13-14)," reveals Jaran Ditapichai, a former member of the national human rights commission and a UDD leader. "The concept behind these schools is to allow people who are Red Shirt supporters to learn more about the movement and the direction it is taking."

The day-long sessions usually end with discussions about how to organise at the community level so that "we can have better coordination," Jaran confirmed after delivering his lecture at the Baan Muang technical college. "Part of that includes the communities electing their own leader."

But these "political schools" are not the only feature of the UDD’s evolving strategy to cater to its rural support base.

In this province, for instance, UDD membership brings with it a telephone card with three mobile phone numbers to connect a central call centre. The latter serves as a clearinghouse of information, clarifying queries and supplying details about planned Red Shirt rallies.

In the coming weeks too, fortunate UDD supporters in this province who cannot afford a state-of-the-art satellite dish will have access to cheaper ways to view programmes on a pro-UDD television station. An estimated first set of 1,000 satellite dishes will be offered to them at a cheaper price of 1,200 baht (35 U.S. dollars) each.

These would give farmers like Songkan access to all the pro-UDD information outlets that, in addition to the "political schools" and television station, already include a stable of community radio stations, newspapers, magazines and websites.

A key beneficiary of this UDD information network is Thaksin, the political godfather of the Red Shirts. He is tapping into this expanding support base in rural Thailand to have the numbers on his side ahead of a Feb. 26 verdict by the Supreme Court. The pivotal ruling will determine the fate of Thaksin’s 2.2 billion U.S. dollars worth of assets, which were frozen by the junta that came to power in September 2006 by turfing out the elected Thaksin administration in this country’s 18th coup.

Rural support for Thaksin, who has been living in exile to avoid a two-year jail term for corruption, is strong. It stems from the wide support the billionaire telecommunications tycoon received from the country’s rural voters in the north and north-east as a result of many pro-poor policies he implemented while in power. But such election majorities – where his former party and one allied to him won four successive elections – did not translate into political stability for him.

In addition to the September 2006 putsch, UDD supporters have been seething at the role that the courts have taken to disenfranchise them. This happened in December 2008, when a pro-Thaksin party elected the year before was dissolved following a controversial court verdict. That paved the way for the current coalition government to fill the void after backroom deals were shaped by the country’s powerful military.

Such anger is also prompting some Red Shirts in provinces like Khon Kaen to look beyond Thaksin in their struggle to take on the ‘Amart’ and to fight for their right to choose their own government. "Even if Thaksin gives up if he loses his case, it is okay," says Sunan Ankaew, who runs a second-hand car business. "We will continue to learn more of what is wrong with Thai politics and we will still fight." (END/2010)

http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=50274