danielcondo

6 hours ago, johnarth said:

a big problem is so many of us do not know one signal person who has had the covid19 virus little lone die from it, dont you find that strange?

I know at least 20 people who caught covid,  12 of them had mild to moderate symptoms ( cough, fever, loss of taste, smell etc ) , 5 were asymptomatic , 2 people died ( both were above 70 ) and 1 of them is my 23 year old cousin who is in hospital on a vent now with only a 5% chance of survival in the next few days, so too answer your question no i dont find it strange as covid is real and many people i know have got it 

Just an update guys, as mentioned before new committee has been appointed and are in the process of sorting out all the files, their schedules, budgets etc, probably no interviews this month for sure

Just now, Neeranam said:

Thanks again. I did my NIA interview in January, maybe I'll get a call soon!

Yes its possible, fingers crossed and Good luck to all of us

Just now, Neeranam said:

Thanks for that!

 

Can I ask how long between the NIA interview and this coming MOI ONE.

9 months 

Just now, Neeranam said:

Very strange that the SB missed this. 

They didn't Miss it, but the individuals in the Interior ministry gave us a heads up and asked us to change some of the wording in order to avoid issues during the interview, simple as that.

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

 

You say you are waiting for the MOI interview. 

Do you have a date, or they are going to give you a date later this month? This is not normal, maybe it's because of your 'contacts' there?

 

You can't keep the letter from your embassy, it had to be given to the MOI.

 

The date will be between the 20th to 25th, still awaiting the exact date as the committee has been changed and they are checking their schedules, should get a call from them by next week.

Nobody can keep the letter, it needs to be submitted with the application, the new letter has already been sent to the interior Ministry for replacement. 

6 minutes ago, SammyT said:

 

Thailand says you shouldn't have dual citizenship, the Government  want a clearer letter stating explicitly that you will renounce your Canadian citizenship, and yet you're still wanting to get Thai citizenship and keep your Canadian as well? So what you're saying is you want to have your cake and eat it to? 

 

Good luck to you, but I wouldn't wanna be in your shoes if the government found out and decided to make an example...

In case you haven't been following the forum, there's literally Thousands of people who have dual nationality in Thailand, apart from almost a few hundred thousand or more Thai's ( Lukruengs and Thai who are settled abroad ) who have dual Nationality as well, The law doesn't state that you can not have both, it says you should not have both, there's a difference, the day they start implementing this so called law will be a day they probably will regret considering alot of Thai's from well known and influential families have dual nationality as well. 

No need to worry about my shoes lol  

Over 10 Years 

Thanks for all the feedback guys, i actually managed to talk to the embassy and have a new letter made, basically the letter has no value for them, its just a piece of paper, they even told me i can tear it up and throw it away once its completed, no need to visit them to withdraw it or anything such thing. In order to renounce your citizenship there's a whole list of things that you need to do, filling out forms, documentation, fees etc... the only thing they mentioned like many people here have stated is that if one days the Thai government starts enforcing the rule and demand for a proof of renunciation, that would be an issue and at that point people would really have to weigh which citizenship has more value to them.

In regards to alot of folks who are bad mouthing Thai citizenship, most of you probably have no use to have it anyways, nothing to invest in, too old to bother, etc etc..

Thats a personal choice and im sure there's folks that dont want to bother with it, that being said Thai citizenship is probably one of the hardest to obtain in the world, especially compared to the developed world, so most of these people will not get it even if they tried, so no point complaining about something you probably hardly have any chance of obtaining.

As for people like me, i have a lot of use for Thai citizenship, im still in my 30's , i have properties in Thailand, companies, family, etc etc i would like to be able to own them in my own name, even for things such as getting a mortgage or financing, the process is extremely simple for Thai's whereas for foreigners is extremely difficult,  alot of banks don't even deal with foreigners in those regards.

That being said obviously we are not Thai and don't look Thai and will always be considered outsiders to some extent but as long as you have your rights and you can go about with your life in a easier way without any hassles thats fine. I can proudly say i would be honored to become Thai and would consider myself a part of Thailand even if i wasn't born here or have no direct links to Thailand and become a naturalized citizen, the amount this country gives back to alot of us is more than what some people can dream of in other parts of the world. 

Thanks again everyone for your help, on a positive note i will be getting my interview date for later this month and will keep you posted regarding developments.

Appreciate all the answers but please answer if you have any relevant information, I’ve been in a thailand long enough to know everything there is too know and am applying for citizenship based on all those facts, I know there’s a lot of Farangs who have dual nationality , could one of you kindly let me know how you dealt with the Renunciation part , also in case I haven’t made myself clear I plan on keeping both my canadian and Thai citizenship’s , the question is based on how people who have gotten Thai citizenship before and have kept their other nationality have managed to do so especially when they had to get the affidavit written at their respective embassies.

Hi All,

I’ve been living in Thailand for the past 16 years and am married to a Thai women and have a son who is Thai/Canadian.

i applied for Thai nationality last year and the file is already at the interior ministry and I’m awaiting the interview. 

However today I received a call from one of my contacts in the ministry saying that my Renunciation letter is not clear enough and I need to state that I will give up my Canadian nationality , now in regards to that I am a naturalized Canadian citizen and spent my childhood there, I went by the embassy last year when I was applying for my Thai citizenship as I needed to get a signed and stamped affidavit from them in which I stated I would give up my nationality, I wrote that the Canadians have no objection to me getting Thai nationality or giving up my Canadian nationality if necessary.

the Police HQ etc had no issues with the letter at the time and I passed all my initial interviews but now they’re saying I have to clearly state I will give it up and can not write “if necessary” or vague words.

now Canada allows dual nationality whereas Thailand says that you shouldn’t have it , they don’t even clearly say that you can not and everyone I talk to say it’s a grey area , however I am afraid of writing a affidavit at the Canadian embassy stating I will renounce my Canadian citiZenship upon receiving Thai citizenship as it might create complications for me if I want to keep both as most people do and also because I’m a naturalized Canadian rather than born Canadian.

any advise from someone who has been in a similar situation ? 

Thanks

Dan

Hi there,

I am currently in the process of applying for Thai citizenship, i have been living in Thailand on and off for almost 14 years and went to University there as well, Did my bachelors and Part of my Masters from there and have degrees issued from a University in Bangkok,  I also have a baby who is an infant at the moment with my wife, been working legally in Thailand for over 5 years, been paying Taxes, salary over the required amount. At present i have already completed the process at the Police HQ and now the file will be sent to the interior ministry. 

My questions are basically in regards to a few points that answers vary on depending on who you ask.

1. Dual Citizenship : This is a very confusing point since i know a lot of naturalized Thai's who have not given up their previous citizenship, most of these cases varied, some got it through naturalization after being married to a Thai, some got it after getting a residency permit and then completing all the formalities and some have it being half Thai and Half foreign ( born abroad as well as born in Thailand ) . Now that being said if you ask an official they will always say it is not allowed and you are asked to renounce your Previous citizenship if you get your Thai, they even make you ask your embassy for an affidavit stating that you will renounce your citizenship, now in my case my county does not have any issues with Dual Nationality however they are aware that the Thai government officially does not allow it, so when i made the affidavit it just stated that my country has no objection to me applying for Thai citizenship however i was informed by my embassy that the Thai government does not allow it, the interior ministry usually sends out a letter to the embassy asking to verify if the person applying will renounce their citizenship usually in such cases the embassy doesn't respond or just simply states that the person came and made an affidavit thats all, however so far in my case the officials at the Thai side didn't make any issues with it when i provided the original and translation in Thai, any feed back in regards to this ? other stories or experiences ? 

2. Thai Language - In my case my Thai language skills are not at the level they need to be, however i can manage on a daily basis, getting Thai citizenship is another story as they require you to be able to speak on a professional level, in my case i have managed to pass the First part but i was told that the interior ministry will be much more harder and i need to improve my Thai in order to pass that part, now from a lot of information and articles i have been reading,  i read that if a foreign spouse married with a Thai and has a child together the language proficiency is not a really strongly enforced point, as long as you are able to answer basic questions and sing the national anthem, they can not fail you on the basis of the fact that you can not speak Thai fluently. However in the cases of Naturalized thai's who got citizenship through residence and who do not have a thai spouse or links to Thailand they expect you to speak Thai fluently, in a way they are more biased towards them. Is this true ? any feedback or experience regarding this would be appreciated. 

I have been given a timeframe of around 2 years because they said i met alot of points which add to my case such as Studied in Thailand in university, have a Thai wife for a few years and also have a baby,  proper tax documents, a lot of history of charity work in Thailand, etc.. my only concerns are the above two points.

Any feedback would be much appreciated. 

P.s my main purpose of getting Thai citizenship is because we will most likely live here forever, i love this country like my own and because i would like to own my house in my own name, i know about all the loopholes and ways to get around that but i prefer keeping it legal and doing it the right way.

Danson,