Simon1287

37 minutes ago, Patanawet said:

Careful of your maths. Aren't Thais one year old on the day of birth?

O yes. You will find many farangs checking an ID card only to find the girl was just 17 despite claiming to be 18, and the girl being utterly astounded that the farang is too stupid to realise that the birth year counts as year one, so obviously she is 18 as she says and not 17 :)

Obviously, any girl who does realise how it works just borrows a friends ID card anyway. Totally everyday practice among certain types and I doubt even the girls own mother would recognise her from a lot of the ID card photos I have ever seen let alone get rumbled by a overly horny farang full of beer.

4 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

So if she decide to not live with her parents and she decides to live with a guy. And she can walk out any time she wants, how is that abduction? 

That one always seemed a bit iffy to me especially when, say, the girl came from Buriram, was working in a shop in Bangkok, the farang banged her in Bangkok and yet the police still used that method to get money from, sorry, to bring the farang to justice.

It is one of the most common ways a farang gets caught and into big problems in this situation though and can be expensive what with donations to the family, and to the police for their trouble (or no one in uniform would have bothered looking for him in the first place)

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

"Despite what anyone might decide is or isn't the legal age for sex..."

The age of consent is not "something that anyone can decide", it is laid down in law and that age is 15.  That is the answer to the question that was asked and that question did not include any qualifications to consider.  It's a fact. Bear it in mind.

The problem with your posts is that they all totally ignore the OP's point in asking in the first place. 

He wanted to know if 18 is ok. It's a real world question asking what would happen in the real world. 

You then go on to advise him that 15 is ok as that is Thai law. Yes, I was well aware of the law you are going on about more than 30 years ago when I first came to Thailand and in those days you could get away with it but my point is, and in actually trying to help the OP get his answer, is that 18 and you are 99.9999% safe, anything under and it’s big problem time if anyone in authority decides it is no matter what Liverpool Lou says.

By following the “Thai law” you keep quoting all you are doing is giving some people the impression that banging a 15 year old in Thailand will be perfectly fine and no legal problems will come their way because of it. 

Presumably you would admit that judges in Thai courts have a rather better understanding of Thai law than you or me. Are you then saying saying that a farang caught in the act of banging a 15 year old would not only face no legal consequences for his actions but if for some weird reason he did end up before a Thai judge in a court of law the judge would merely say something like “No case to answer. 15 is the age of consent.”

Is that what you are saying? 

Please, don’t bang on again about “That is what the law says”. Any of us with legal experience are more than aware that things are never as obvious as they seem with very old laws as modern ones have come along, despite the old ones maybe still being in place, which pretty much make the old ones irrelevant, especially in a place like Thailand.

3 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

It is not illegal, as the link that you provided, ironically and clearly, confirms.  I am not giving advice, as you falsely claim, I am answering the OP's question, nothing more.  From your own link...

"What is the Thailand Age of Consent?

The Age of Consent in Thailand is 15 years old".

Despite what anyone might decide is or isn't the legal age for sex the plain fact is that having sex with an under 18 year old in modern day Thailand, paid or unpaid, opens you up to the possibility of huge expense, imprisonment or both. 

If the girl happened to be the daughter of a Thai with “standing” and money who did not approve it might even be sensible to shy away if she was 19, though 18 is fine 99.999% of the time. (Of course, I am only referring to possible “legal” repercussions).

It's a fact. Bear it in mind.

On 3/23/2024 at 5:29 AM, cooked said:

Most of the people responding here seem to be talking about soi dogs, that is to say, they live in cities. Running around just about every possible and impossible trail around our village in Isaan, I only once got bitten, by a dog I thought I knew well enough to trust but had just had some whelps and so got very aggressive. Most dogs will bark and snarl before actually attacking, this one quietly ran up behind me and gave me a nip. I'm afraid that dog had disappeared the next day as I did complain.

I tend to plan my running routes in terms of 1: dogs? and 2: possibility of finding sticks lying around near them? 

I found a new route near me. First time: aggression from two farm dogs. I shouted, they removed themselves.(Never see Farang running) Second time, with stick, less aggro. Third time: one dog came up and ended up letting me stroke him. Most rewarding. Don't get me wrong, I do get to shout on most runs, and it usually works. 

I'm going to take the same trail tomorrow, but will have a discrete whacking stick about my person, plus some dog biscuits.

 

Pretty much always, if I am running and see any kind of dog I just stop running and walk until I am well past it.

Saves the situation getting worrying most of the time and, certainly, carrying an umbrella (great for sunshade too) or a stick have kept all aggressive soi dogs I have ever met (1000's) at bay. Never ever had one even as much as make contact with the umbrella I was holding between me and him. 

Not that most soi dogs cause serious damage but it's all those trips to the hospital for rabies jabs that is the real annoyance.

Always good to carry a few dog biscuits but not too many. I have had a few too many in my pockets on a couple of occasions and a most likely really hungry dog has actually smelt them and quickly become over curious. Keep them well wrapped maybe in a plastic bag if it's easy and fast to open.

11 minutes ago, LivinginKata said:

 

My link to another news media has been removed as I cant quote from other media but in that story he was described as a 68 year old American. And he looks it from what we  can see from the blurred photo

I had a post with a quote removed too! I will try to be more careful in future. 

68 seems almost certain yep. 

It does seem pretty obvious that he is 68 but as I am not one of those people who automatically assumes that whichever news outlet first reports a story necessarily had it given to them by the hand of God Almighty himself that other news agencies or forums might later learn something different.

On 3/22/2024 at 1:43 PM, LivinginKata said:

 

He is 68. Why so many  poster talk about 28. Just displays that almost all poster never read the original story.  

I did read the original story. I also read the first post in this thread. They do not concur, hence my question.

After years of jogging in Thailand I would say the best way is just to carry a few dog biscuits to give them. Instant friends. Certainly, especially if you have problems with dogs near where you live it's worth thinking about.

I will say that after dozens of times (more probably) that aggressive noisy dogs have tried to get the better of me just carrying an umbrella has also been 100% effective. There are some viscous ones available in shops with metal pointed tips that won't get you into trouble with the law (I have never had to actually hurt a dog with one I hasten to say, the threat is enough) but just a 120 Baht 7/11 one will do. 

The thing is, unless it's a "devil" dog ie pit bull etc etc in which case say your prayers and be prepared for a fight to the death, the ordinary alpha male in a pack of soi dogs is a great big coward. No point anyone arguing against that point it has happened to me more times than I can remember over the past 30 years or so. 

If you are carrying an umbrella it will not cross that line to get to you. Just stop, face it and keep the brolly "aimed" low at it. 

They just bark and snarl and seem to be panicking about losing face with the other dogs now a farang has actually chosen to call their bluff and not run away and can't think what to do. Once it know's it's not your boss just back off and away you go and they save face by "chasing you off" and away they go back to the pack.

20 years ago I used to carry pepper spray (and worse) everywhere as dogs do seem to like joggers. Very effective but not legal so best avoided.

I well remember going for a late evening run in Ubon Ratchatani many years ago and turned a tight bend in town and surprised a couple of Alsatians just a few feet away from me.

Very unusual to see even one but two is very rare. They were startled and probably due to that were obviously intent on harm and luckily, due to it being night time I was actually carrying a very strong and very big can of spray of some sort in my hand and let rip with it straight into their faces. In a couple of seconds the two big aggresive dogs turned into meeping puppies. 

That's one of the very few times I ever had to use spray and I would far rather have not had to use it but suddenly running, almost literally, into two large Alsatians in the dark I had no time to think of any other escape plan other than being carted off by an ambulance in bits.

Far more often than not though, it's not the dogs that come at you barking and snarling you need to worry about it's the ones that come at you quietly and unseen from the back, like assassins. Then they rip a chunk out of you and run away.

Not much you can do about them unless you have eyes in the back of your head. 

2 hours ago, NoshowJones said:

No, I always carry a big stone in the bikes basket.

Yeah stones work well if no other way. No need to actually aim at the dog just the noise and sight of a stone flying along the road should do the trick. If walking, just the act of bending down to pick a stone up will scare most of them off as they are well used to Thai's throwing things at them.

Problem is if a dog even just breaks your skin (or where do you draw the line exactly?) it's off to the hospital for multiple rabies jabs so it's not worth taking any chances.

12 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   It doesn't mean that , it means that it doesn't matter whether the parents gave consent or not 

No, I think you will find that means it doesn't matter if the girl gave consent. The parents, I think, are able to give consent. Problem is they then withdraw the consent and <deleted> happens. At least, I think that's how it works. Where does it say he paid her? Is he 28 or 68? If he is a 28 year old farang it's not inconceivable she would go with him free, which may be why the charge is not more serious. He seems to have got away with the least possible so far. Is there obvious signs of sex having take place? etc etc. It's far easier for the police and parents to get bribes, sorry, see justice done when the farang takes an underage girl from a bar as she is pretty much deemed to be a prostitute.

I haven't seen the whole story (we never do) but there we are.

11 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Not many Western Countries are OK with underaged prostitution .

A an older Western guy paying an underaged girl for sex and some posters try to justify that by stating some young girls have boyfriends!!!!!!

 

If money was paid then obviously not. I did mention that then somehow cut it out when I edited ! The charge in most "western" countries would not be statutory rape was my point.

Age difference's come into play in various countries maybe but the basic age in the vast majority of western countries is less than 18. That is the law and we all have to stick to it.

Anything else is a moral choice and none of your, or my business. 

Did I read their "millionaire" parents flew in to Thailand? It's going to be a very expensive trip for them..

Even if justice needs to be seen to be done so the average Thai hooligan doesn't get the idea it's fine to beat up policeman, and a long sentence is imposed they will most likely "slip out the back door" in due course (within a year?) when it has all died down and everyone has forgotten about them. The only thing for sure here is that they are two very lucky men to have such a rich mummy and daddy as the end result, whatever it may be, would be vastly different for a poor pair of dickheads!

Maybe it will turn out it was all just a misunderstanding and a picture of the brothers presenting the policeman with a pretty bunch of flowers will appear in the news :)

No, probably not but in Thailand best not to make any guesses about anything really as it usually ends up being the opposite.

3 hours ago, Berkshire said:

In western countries, we'd call this statutory rape.

Assuming she was 16/17, how many "Western" countries can you name where it actually is though? Even at 15 some "Western" countries are ok with it. Just saying.

13 hours ago, khunPer said:

You cannot extend your stay if your fund deposit falls below the required amounts.

 

Yes, you can use money for hospitalization, but then you can not extend your stay and need to return to your home country or make a visa run for a new non-immigrant O-visa, fulfilling the financial requirements.

 

The rules changed about a decade ago, before that you only needed to show the deposit with three month maturing before application for extension of stay, and longer back just show that you had the money.

Yes, I was thinking it changed about a decade ago or something like that.

Until then I used to spend the 800,000 every year, get more if needed but whatever happened made sure the full amount was back in the Thai bank three months (?) before the next retirement extension was due. 

No one at immigration cared back then if there was only one Baht left in the account three months and one day before the next extension. 

If you must stay in Thailand for these few months of the year then move far south if it's at all possible for you. 

Anywhere south of about Chumphon is usually far better in the polluted months.

I do see a very small number of Thai's wearing them now but that is a very recent development indeed.

In previous years you would have to have held a Thai down and forcibly put a pair of the things on them and then give them 6 months pay to walk even 100 yards wearing them. If walking past anyone they knew then a years pay would have been needed, for the humiliation.

I imagine 99.99% of Thai's still feel the same way now though it may be changing. Slowly.

As someone just pointed out in another post, any farang wearing a pair is instantly viewed as a cheap charlie. Actually, much worse than that..

Over the years I have tried a pair for a laugh that were intended to be a present for a farang in farangland, on a couple of occasions.

Never again, which is a shame as they are actually super things to wear in the Thai climate, but I could see I was instantly transformed from a foreigner with money into something the cat dragged in the eyes of any Thai that saw me. 

If you must wear them then stick to backpacker ghettoes. The Thai's there are experts at hiding their disgust, for obvious reasons.

Simon

I used to send a few pairs of those pants back to a family member every now and then many years ago. No Thai would have been seen dead in them at that time. 

I once wore a pair to see what they were like out of interest and every Thai I passed looked at me like I was about to ask them for money or a free meal. They were disgusted, though in the usual disguised Thai way not wishing to offend, with the exception of a couple of girls walking together who actually stopped and looked at them in total disbelief (down in the far south somewhere I think that was).

I wore a pair on another occasion with the same result. I never wore a pair again.

It was exactly like the time i took a Thai to Khao San Road for a wander round back in the 90's. She was utterly horrified. "Do they wear those horrible clothes in their country?" "No" "Then why they rude to wear them in my country??"

Now, in very recent years I notice many Asians (including Thai's) wearing them. How times change! 

Simon

Just now, NextG said:

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No need to bother to read your nonsense…

I bet you did though but yes, fun though this is the mods will tell us off soon so probably best we get on and do something more useful :)