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To detract from one danger, by comparing to another danger, is the ploy of morons.
I had a similar situation in the 80s at work. I asked for specialist protective gear before i handled a PCB ( Polychlorinated biphenyl) product. I was offered surgical gloves. I refused and was threatened with the sack. My manager called in the company health & safety rep. He saw my M/bike and said i had more chance of dying on the roads than getting cancererous infection from PCB, and that there were ongoing tests to determine long term exposure to PCBs.
I replied it was my choice to ride a bike, but the company was forcing me to use the PCB, and the same tests determined eventually the Asbestos was a danger.
My manager turned to my supervisor, and said "get him everything he wants".
Maybe Thailand should be making more of an effort to bring road accidents down, inline with the effort they have put into saving their tourist industry.
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It always amazes me that when people like Jingthing talk strongly about a certain subject, that they fail to do adequate research into the subject. With the advent of the internet, there really are no excuses for being ill-informed before posting.
Some have tried to post a history of the Falklands here with some large blanks and errors, so here is my researched pennyworth from various websites, which give the definitive history which has also been agreed by Argentinian historians who are not interested in politics it seems. My apologies for its length:
The islands first appear on European maps in the early-sixteenth century. This suggests that Spanish explorers may have spotted them. John Strong, an Englishman, is the first European known to have actually landed, in 1690. The first European settlement of the islands was by France in 1764. A British settlement was established separately the next year. The islands appear to have been uninhabited at this time, but archaeology shows some previous human activity. Spain purchased France’s rights in the islands in 1767. On 22 January 1771 Britain and Spain signed an agreement where both nations rights were reserved. After this agreement Britain voluntarily abandoned its colony physically (not politically) in 1774, but left a plaque asserting its sovereignty. Spain ruled the islands from Buenos Aires (now the capital of Argentina) without opposition until 1811. Spain then withdrew, leaving the islands uninhabited, but still claimed (none of Spains territories were relinquished in terms of sovereignty until 1836). A significant reason for the dispute is that Britain and Spain simultaneously held claims to sovereignty over the islands from 1767 and as respected in the 1771 agreement. Argentina gained it's independence unilaterally from Spain in 1816 and today claims to have asserted its sovereignty over the Falklands from that very year, organising some settlement of the islands in the 1820s. The first ship sent by the United Provinces of the Río de la Plata was led by a Yankee Privateer (Pirate) named Jewett. The sealers basically ignored him as his crew were in a poor state and no threat. He arrived on October 1820 but due to illness was replaced by another Yankee Privateer (Pirate) named Mason who left in April 1821 and left nothing behind. Both these men had licence from the United Province to attack Spanish ships. This says to me that at that point, the claim of the United Province on the Falklands was illegal even by Spanish historical claims. The fact Mason then sailed to Europe and attacked Portugese ships resulted in his capture and imprisonment for 2yrs as a Pirate. Here’s a Portugese note on him:
Case of the Heroina: The Commander, it appeared in evidence, was a
North American of the name of William Robert Mason, and his commission was
dated in April, 1820, authorising him only to molest Spanish vessels,
enjoining, and imposing on him the obligation to avoid every abuse of his
trust, and all irregularities on the high seas which might implicate the Buenos
Ayres flag. In his cruize he was directed to overhaul every vessel, both armed
and traders navigating under the Spanish flag, and examine their commissions
and papers to see if they were legal, and the use made of them, and also to
punish all excesses committed against neutral and friendly vessels. The Heroina
was fitted out and commissioned as a vessel belonging to the Government of
Buenos Ayres. On examination, however, 45 men, composing the crew,
spontaneously confessed, that this corvette pursued a system of piracy, robbing
all the vessels they could.
In January 1829, Luis Vernet realises that Britain claim sovereignty, and so submits a land grant to the British Consul, requesting British approval.
Now why would he do that if the United Province had a legit claim? Maybe because he was a businessman before he was an Argentinian, and was after exploiting the fisheries off the Falklands rather than being another Columbus. After receiving assurances from the British minister chargé d'affaires, Sir Woodbine Parish, Vernet provided regular reports to the British on the progress of his enterprise. Things changed however, and Vernet then proceeded to seize any ships coming to the Falklands including the USA. In 1831, Luis Vernet seized three US vessels (Breakwater, Superior and Harriet) hunting seals in Falklands waters, confiscating their catch and arresting their crews. Vernet returned to the
mainland, bringing senior officers of the US vessels to stand trial for violating restrictions on seal hunting. The US consul protested violently against the seizure of US ships and the USS Lexington sailed to the Falklands. The log of the Lexington reports only the destruction of arms and a powder store, though in his families claim against the US government for compensation (rejected by the US government of President Cleveland in 1885) Vernet stated that the settlement was destroyed. The Islands were declared free from all government, the seven senior members of the settlement were arrested for piracy and taken to Montevideo.
This latter incident finally convinced the British Foreign Office to reassert its sovereignty claim over the islands. Throughout much of 1832, the United Provinces did not have a government representative in the islands. The Buenos Aires government commissioned Major Esteban Mestivier as the new governor of the islands, to set up a penal colony, but when he arrived at the settlement on 15 November 1832 his soldiers mutinied and killed him. The mutiny was put down by Lieutenant Colonel José María Pinedo, commander of the United Provinces schooner Sarandí, with aid from a French ship Jean-Jacques, which had arrived by chance, and by some loyal gauchos. Order was restored just before the British arrived. Under the command of Captain John James Onslow, the brig-sloop HMS Clio, previously stationed at Rio de Janeiro, reached Port Egmont on 20 December 1832. It was later joined by HMS Tyne. Their first actions were to repair the fort at Port Egmont and affix a notice of possession. Onslow arrived at Puerto Louis on 2 January 1833. Pinedo sent an officer to the British ship, where he was requested to replace the Argentine flag with the British one, and leave the location.On January 5th, Pinedo evacuates the garrison together with two of Vernet’s settlers, Joaquin Acuña and Matthew González, and their wives. Onslow persuades some twenty-four of Vernet’s settlers to remain and appoints William Dickson, an Irishman and Vernet’s storeman, as the British Representative on the Islands.The Brits re-assert British Sovereignity plaques that were illegally removed. The islands have remained in British control ever since.
Conclusion: The Brits only reasserted control after River-Plate representatives used the islands to attack other nations shipping in an act of piracy.
I hope this helps to educate people as to the reasons behind the so called expulsion/annexation/invasion of the Brits in 1833 as portrayed by the Argentinians.Jingthing claims that the UK should negotiate with the Argentinians so as to settle the issue. Here is evidence that such talks have been tried within the last 100yrs to no avail:
Argentina saw an opportunity to push its case for gaining sovereignty over the Falkland Islands and raised the issue in the United Nations, after joining the UN in 1945. Following the Argentine claim, the United Kingdom offered to take the dispute over the Falkland Island Dependencies to mediation at the International Court of Justice in the Hague (1947, 1948 and 1955). On each occasion Argentina declined.
In 1964, the United Nations passed a resolution calling on the UK and Argentina to proceed with negotiations on finding a peaceful solution to the sovereignty question which would be "bearing in mind the provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations and of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands.
I think the recent referendum asserts the Falklanders rights as per the Charter of the United Nations and of General Assembly resolution
1514 (XV).
The Argentinian claim is based on an ancient Roman Law…. Uti possidetis juris which is a principle of international law that states that newly formed sovereign states should have the same borders that they had before their independence.
Well on behalf of the Falklanders, I reject that claim as it has subsequently been usurped by the British claim of the Roman Law…. Uti possidetis (Latin for "as you possess") which is a principle in international law that territory and other property remains with its possessor at the end of a conflict.
Yo Argentina…. on 14 June 1982 Argentine forces surrendered and control of the islands returned to the UK…. Uti possidetis…Nuff said.
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Thanks for the replies, and it seems my understanding of the situation was correct.
The problems encountered with a marriage visa are more to do with marital issues more than visa issues, as already pointed out.
My wife went to the immigration at Pattaya/Jomtien today, and they confirmed that the monthly income does not need to be placed in a Thai account, and that they want a letter from the Embassy verifying the income etc.
She then popped into the British Consulate next door, and they verified all they need:
Photo copy of Passport.
Original evidence of current pension/income.
Local address typed on letter.
They charge 2250bt for this service.
Information can be sought at the British Embassy via Notarial Services
Tel: 023058333.
Fax:022556051
Email: [email protected]
I'm going to contact them to see what "Original" evidence they require, as i do not receive paper copies anymore and only view my account via internet.
I'll post anymore findings
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Hi Folks,
First off, i'm sorry if this has been done a death on here, but there are some clarifications from the info i (think i) know which hopefully BMs can help me with.
This has been raised due to a conversation with expat friends who all seem to have differing views on the requirements necessary for the above visa extentions.
I entered Thailand on a Non-Imm-O 12mth visa and extended it out to its full 15mths with a 90day stamp just before it was due to expire. I took this route due to financial reasons, even though i have a Thai wife. My situation changed whereby i was able to comply with the visa extension of 12mths due to being married, and i successfully applied for this in February 2012. I had 400k baht depositted in my Thai account in December 2011 thus meeting the requirement of 2mths prior to application.
For the extension due in February 2013, i am looking to use the monthly income criteria of 40kbt per month instead of the lump sum of 400kbt. And it's here that the discussion with friends raised questions.
When complying with the 400kbt rule, it has to be deposited into a Thai bank account. But with the 40kbt monthly income, i was of the belief that it can be into your account back in your home country.
Two of my friends have the retirement visa and said that their money is clearly declared as being in their home countries for their applications each year, but another friend still said that he believed it needed to be into a Thai account. My wife insists that she clarified with immigration on my last 90-day visit that what i was planning to do was ok. But as i had no other "married" chap to cross reference, i am now in a quandary as to what is actually required. I do not want to get to February and find i have missed the boat due to a technicality.
My income comes from two property investments paid monthly into my UK account. I then plan to transfer funds as and when needed. Can BMs confirm either way the exact requirement as per the current rules for these two visas.
with thanks
StG
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I had a similar event where my sis-in-law and my next door neighbour gave me wrong advice regarding my waterpump. It would of cost bt5k to replace it. But after a search on here through some old posts, a chap went over how to check the pump and calibrate it via a guage. Job done again, and my sis-in-law apologised for duff info.
I now question any advice my wife gets (or gives), and ask whether it is genuine info gained from experience or just plain guesswork to try to sound more knowledgeable.
The latter seems to be the norm here.
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Ok, got the licences yesterday. No probs.
I had to go upstairs, and the girl on the 1st desk read the police report and said all was ok. I needed to produce 2 copies of the report, Passport info, and my uptodate visa page. After a quick trip to the copy-shop, i was directed to a uniformed lady who checked all the docs and sent me in to have my pic taken again. I had to pay for the licences the same as when i got the originals, but i expected that. A short wait later and i was called to the photo lady and she handed me my new licences. Job done.
My wife is now going to question the two seperate sources who insisted i would need to go through all the original stuff again....bullsh1t.
Got a good deal on a wallet today from a friend, and it is better than my original. Bonus.
Happy Days.
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Cheers Kwasaki,
I agree that whilst showing the report is a stop-gap, it will not help to get my 5yrs in Feb. I get pulled quite regular, so being uptodate is essential anyway.
Yes i will be going to my DLT in midweek, and i'll just go with an openmind and see what transpires. I'll post the result.
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I have recently had my wallet stolen, which had both my motorbike and car licences in it. They were both 1yr licences, and were valid until Feb 2013.
I have a police document stating the loss as a matter of record, but I have been told that when i go to the Transport Dept to get copies, that i will need to take a medical certificate and undergo the usual tests associated with applying for a licence etc. This sounds absurd to me, as surely my licences are still valid for the duration i qualified and payed for? All i am asking for is replicas of my already attained licences and to pay the associated costs for admin etc.
Does anyone know if the info i have been given is correct?
cheers
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In the Honda CRF 250 L sales brochure there's a few pages of accessories available. I ordered the rear carrier from Honda, 1100 baht I believe. The Honda aluminum sump guard is the same a the plastic one. Too small, IMHO. A fellow in CM makes a proper aluminum guard and a stainless rear rack. I'll post a link later. Next time I head up there I'll purchase the guard that he fabricates.
Honda in Sriracha doing the rack for 800bt.
Anyone have any ideas about a possible bigger heat shield for the right hand side? Due to wearing shorts, i'm feeling the heat from the exhaust near my calf.
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Another thing....what is it with people trying to turn a 250 D/S into some sort of Touring machine? It's horses for courses, and high speeds on tarmac are not what this bike is about. Besides, as i have alluded to before, anyone who does 120kph on these Thai roads is tempting fate with the world and his mate & dog all waiting to cross in front of you.
IMO only the freeways handle those types of speed, and that isnt exactly what i would call touring, and not on a CRF250L.
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I used to ride a CCM motard in London so I actually speak from experience. These style of bikes are far superior in traffic. The wider bars aren`t an issue and you have a great view of what`s going on around you. Low = unseen bus and taxi fodder.
100% agree.
man, Bangkok traffic or let's say second or third world quarter traffic is not the same with London. There you cannot cross lanes, cannot go between cars, lot's of rules etc. So, for London, any bike should be OK even a hayabusa as you wait like a car in traffic.
Besides, i rode my yamaha dt125 on city long time and some d tracker here and it was mostly an uncomfortable experience. especially feet up and down and hitting the mirrors with head, scratching the cars with your handlebars etc. and arse pain even after 30 minutes.
I mean, we are all individuals here so i respect anyone's decision on bikes but no need to torture ourselves.
crf is good for gravel and it is designed for gravel or if you are living in rural, island, up North etc and even i buy it if i am living these kind of conditions.
You cannot even tour with it as these cross tires you know...a motard version should be OK but then wind protection problems will appear at high speeds so... think about it.
Having rode during Rush-Hour in London on a D/S for years, i can say that traffic standing still is the same all over the world. In the UK you are able to change lanes and weave through the cars no problem....not sure what laws you are on about? Even the Police do it.
If you mean when traffic is moving, then my view is that attempting to negotiate handlebar wide gaps at speed through moving vehicles is just asking for trouble.
In all that time, i never once hit my head or scratched a car....as Bung says, we have great flexibility in our necks and Torso. Maybe you need to revise your riding skills.
As for when the gaps are too small, it doesnt take much to slow up and gently walk it through. Most local riders here dont have the stability skills that we develop in the west, as their testing rules are absolute <deleted>. So most small gaps tend to cause a bottleneck anyway. I find though that once the traffic is moving....and with the blip of the throttle....i tend to be ahead of most cars at lights anyway.
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Oh well, after weeks of speculation, and suggetions of having to fork out B1000's for decoders etc....I am now watching the Euros in English on my ordinary regular TV provider Thipmanee on Astro Supersport 1. Glad i hang out to see the opening match(or not).
Role on Tuesday morn and the main match.
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Just been given the all clear to be able to ride my bike tomorrow, and seeing as i still cant drink it's not a problem to bike into town, so i'll probably watch in LKMetro in Pattaya. Depending on result..i'll watch the replay in the morning aswell. lol.
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Thanks SC, i can now see the replay on Sunday morning if i dont manage to see it live elsewhere.
I have now developed a back problem which may means i'm on meds preventing me drinking, but also causing grief on my bike. Staying in may be the only option in 24hrs or so.
BTW doyou have problems with the Astro site. It seems to slow up all my internet. Page refreshing is bloody awful.
cheers
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Exactly every thai that has seen my crf and a few farang have said the bikes to high the 150 kawa is perfect for alot of Thais pricewise and size wise no doubt should be a good seller
Agreed. Whenever i have parked with Thais around, they swarm around and start a chat going, and the general consensus is that it is too tall for them. Although the price is high for most, i have only heard one negative, and that was from a blokes wife last night who said he could buy them a Pickup for that price. She is 100% correct in that ones personal reasons for having this type of machine has to be taken into perspective with regards practical reasons. It's all about personal choice and necessity.
All my friends knew it was only a matter of time before i upgraded to a Trail bike, as i have made it clear they are my Bike of choice for various reasons. It was just waiting for the right Bike. IMO this is it for me, having rode an XL125 for years. I dont need a superbike with a herd of horses driving it....(and especially on Thai roads where the world and his dog just pull out in front of you), and the CRF has adequate power alround for general use.
PMSL at some comparing a Dual-Sport Trail with a Girlie-Bike
BTW....do you know the big gap between your knees aint for the shopping....it's so when you are wearing your skirt you dont need to cock-a-leg. The one issue that cropped up is that the missus says the seat can be uncomfortable for her due to my fatarse taking up all the good bit. lol. But she also pointed out her back is feeling better for not being jarred every time our combined weight hits an obstacle. To compare, i dont even bother to slow down for sleeping policmen anymore as the CRF just cruises over them.
Dual-Sport v Girlie-Bike = no brainer.
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The Astro website seems to not be refreshing properly, but it looks like it wont be on either Superports 1 or 2 judging by what i can see so far.
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Does anyone know if the England v South Africa Test Rugby matches will be shown on Thai TV, and by which provider?
Cheers
England - South Africa Tour 2012 (Thai Time) Saturday, June 9: South Africa v England (1st Test) 22:00 Wednesday, June 13: SA Barbarians South v England 19:30 Saturday, June 16: South Africa v England (2nd Test) 22:00 Wednesday, June 20: SA Barbarians North v England 00:10 Saturday, June 23: South Africa v England (3rd Test) 22:00
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Thanks for all the info guys, i was beginning to think i wouldnt see the Euros until this thread. I have Thipmanee TV and they have Ch's 3, 5 & 9 already (Thip 7, 8 & 10). And i think they have the GMM Sport One on a stand alone channel as well. It used to be the ESPN channel i think (Thip60)....the one which showed Aviva Premiership games. Was pi$$ed at them for losing that contract, but hopefully all seems for the best.
Now to find where i can watch the England South Africa Tour starting on the 9th.
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Picked mine up this afternoon. Holy crap that was a fun ride home. Yeah, doesn't take much to get me excited, especially since I haven't ridden a manual bike in a while let alone anything over 125cc. I liked the PCX, but believe I am going to like this a lot more. Wasn't looking for a lot of speed, just power to move quicker when needed.
Might have been a slopticle illusion, but it really seemed to be easier moving between stopped cars at red light than the PCX was. Riding position was comfortable but only about 20k ride.
Tach would be nice as well to help tune the ears. Being slightly on the vertically challenged side, look forward to getting motard setup. Will have to do something about extra storage which I will miss about PCX. Any recommendations on top box or other storage options?
Ditto just about all you have said. I've had mine just over a week, and i too moved from a girlie-bike....a Yamaha Nuevo 115ccAuto, and the step up in power is good enough for me. It has handled the combined weight of my wife and i at 175kilos very well. I wont be trying to turn it into a MotoX copy and go Hill Humping either, or doing a Motard refit due to predominantly riding on the road. I bought the bike for what it is, an on/off road Trail bike. That's what they were called back in the 70's when i first started to enjoy them. Trying to turn it into something it's not seems daft to me, and slagging off a machine cos it doesnt make the tea aswell....but each his own i guess.
I too am thinking of a Topbox, but maybe the support bracket of any on the market may need modding to fit the given CRF-L fixings. I miss having storage for a spare hat, but also i keep thinking the wife is about to flyoff the back when i give it some. I have to say "hang on" now if i know i'm about to open up to get rid of traffic. The responce is excellent IMO and suits my needs. The ride is comfortable both on and off road on dirt track/trails. I mentioned before that IMO the roads around Patts (Thailand in general) are bloody awful, and it's a joy to be able to just cruise over the <deleted> without having to keep swerving or braking due to a sunken/raised drain cover or pothole.
Someone suggested i may get bored with it after 2yrs, but i dont think so....this bike was bought for practicality as well as enjoyment, and i foresee a long partnership ahead.
I'll let you know if i find any Topbox solutions.
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Hi Commande, have you heard of Eddy & Chris on the Siam Country Club Rd? They do off-road gear as the main, but not sure if they have anything else that might suit. Worth a look perhaps.
You can find them east of the railway a few hundred yards or so on the left.
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I have now way to back this up but my gut feeling is that you will never see these CRF's for cheaper than B135 000. That is their promotion price which is due to end today. If they sold them cheaper then that is a slap in the face to all the people who rushed out and bought them at this special price. It is already B18 000 cheaper than the competition.
If we're sharing gut feelings I'm going to go on a limb and state that we'll see 120K soon. All that it takes is getting out of the city and away from the apparent price fixing that Mityon (?) seems to be engaging in. You can already buy it for 130K in Nakhon Sawan.
Was in Sri Racha today, and on the way back to Patts, i stopped at the Honda dealer on the left (not far from Robinsons Superstore). They had 2 Reds and 2 Whites out on show.
The bike price was 139k + 1700 for the book/registration.
Insurance was 2500 for 1yr and 3500 for 2yrs.
They do finance, which was 32k down and 24mth payments of 6855.
I asked about laying down more, and an 80k down payment had a 24mth payment of 3995. They were willing to accept a copy of my house book as proof of financial status, and i could of driven one home.
(The reason im interested in finance etc is that my income comes from the UK, and i'd rather not blow all my Thai cash in one hit).
Not sure what to do now with some BM's predicting a drop at some stage in the basic price. I sat on one of those on show for the first time. Obviously standing still doesnt mean all, but i found the CRF very comfortable for my 6' 2" 115kilo lump, compared to the KLX. I will state that im a roady that prefers dirtbike style and handling and will only ever use the bike on light offroad terrain. Someone asked the other day why i wanted a dirtbike to use around Pattaya....i just pointed at the potholed <deleted> excuse for a road outside the cafe in Soi Chaiyapoon. I lost count of the number of holes and god-knows what i hit today on the major Sukumvit Road whilst on my girlie-bike. As a resident of the Darkside, every main road is a minefield of holes and sunken/raised drains.
My point is that regardless of all the chitchat on this forum about the off-road capabilities of this bike, i think it will be just as beneficial for use on the road.
So 175,760 total
Rather you than me don't really know why you are worrying about prices then really, if your going to finance it your gonna pay over the odds anyway if ypu like it by it you only live once
Without going into too much depth about my personal situation, the point Tanithai revolves around cashflow issues in LOS and not putting too much of a dent in my current lifestyle. Financing gives me the cushion i need at the mo' , and it goes without saying that getting the base price down makes those payments smaller also. As it stands, i cant get any of the dealers to shift on their base price, but i have now got the financing of one down to 3500mth with 80k down, making it 164k over 2yrs. That's a drop of 11760bt in 24hrs. The dealer is finalising an offer and hopefully i will get an answer in a few hours.
As for "only living once", you are so right, and i dont want to f*ckit up the 1st time due to recklessness with the money that supports me and the missus until i retire. And on that count i hope to be astride my new CRF by the weekend, using prudence and bartering for the best possible deal. BM comments help as to what the trend is, and if i hadnt read this thread, i wouldnt of even thought about getting some freebies thrown in. The dealer has said 2 helmets and a jacket is no problem. I am trying to get the luggage rack as well, which is quoted at nearly 800bt. Barter barter barter....that's what LOS is about.
BTW, my mate up in the NorthEast (Sakon Nakhon area) was quoted 149k and 145k all in, and a base price of 135k. Which looks about the same as Patts.
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I have now way to back this up but my gut feeling is that you will never see these CRF's for cheaper than B135 000. That is their promotion price which is due to end today. If they sold them cheaper then that is a slap in the face to all the people who rushed out and bought them at this special price. It is already B18 000 cheaper than the competition.
If we're sharing gut feelings I'm going to go on a limb and state that we'll see 120K soon. All that it takes is getting out of the city and away from the apparent price fixing that Mityon (?) seems to be engaging in. You can already buy it for 130K in Nakhon Sawan.
Was in Sri Racha today, and on the way back to Patts, i stopped at the Honda dealer on the left (not far from Robinsons Superstore). They had 2 Reds and 2 Whites out on show.
The bike price was 139k + 1700 for the book/registration.
Insurance was 2500 for 1yr and 3500 for 2yrs.
They do finance, which was 32k down and 24mth payments of 6855.
I asked about laying down more, and an 80k down payment had a 24mth payment of 3995. They were willing to accept a copy of my house book as proof of financial status, and i could of driven one home.
(The reason im interested in finance etc is that my income comes from the UK, and i'd rather not blow all my Thai cash in one hit).
Not sure what to do now with some BM's predicting a drop at some stage in the basic price. I sat on one of those on show for the first time. Obviously standing still doesnt mean all, but i found the CRF very comfortable for my 6' 2" 115kilo lump, compared to the KLX. I will state that im a roady that prefers dirtbike style and handling and will only ever use the bike on light offroad terrain. Someone asked the other day why i wanted a dirtbike to use around Pattaya....i just pointed at the potholed <deleted> excuse for a road outside the cafe in Soi Chaiyapoon. I lost count of the number of holes and god-knows what i hit today on the major Sukumvit Road whilst on my girlie-bike. As a resident of the Darkside, every main road is a minefield of holes and sunken/raised drains.
My point is that regardless of all the chitchat on this forum about the off-road capabilities of this bike, i think it will be just as beneficial for use on the road.
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So what is the RRP then?anyone?
I dont know about the RRP, but today in Mityon on the Pattaya Tai and 3rd Road junction, the price stands at 135k. It rises to just over 138k to register, and upto 141900 with 2yrs insurance. No finance available at the moment, unlike with the KLX from the Kawazaki dealer on the Sukumvit.
Even someone i know who knows the owner couldnt get the price down and was quoted the same 2hrs later.
The saleswoman in Mityon said the price may vary between provinces, after i asked about the aforementioned 115k RRP. Has anyone had a better deal outside of Pattaya?
BTW....do you know the big gap between your knees aint for the shopping....it's so when you are wearing your skirt you dont need to cock-a-leg. 
Thailand’s Tourism Council reports ZERO bookings following coronavirus outbreak
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"while also exploring new markets to compensate for the absence of Chinese tourists."
Well if they hurry, they may be able to convince the millions trying to get into Europe, from the Mid East and Africa. ????????????