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Simply tell the whole story as you have explained it here, including the unauthorised actions of the agency. You have got into this predicament because relevant facts were left out of the original application; don't make the same mistake second time round.
If you and her tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth then it will be impossible for her to be inconsistent at the interview.
BTW, this is why there are notices both in the embassy itself and on their website warning against the use of agents! Agents can be useful in arranging translations etc, but if they suggest altering facts or leaving things out...run!
ok. you tell it well. i will cover this in my evidence letter. and my indroduction letter. my only fear is that they will think she has been coached on what to say last time about switzerland. but then again how could she have been coached when the only thing if she was to be coached would have been about me as thats all they have the answers to. i should have stopped them before they even started and not let them put my wifes application in for us with my evidence . its a good thing hynsight. if only. well my wife wishes the same now if only she never went to switzerland. you live and learn and move on to fight another day. such is life
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Hi lamonster.
sorry to here about your good lady.
my wife has just been refused settlement ,hence you can read my post for help if you wish .
all i can say to you is that you are not alone mate.
one point that i have learned now the hard way is that you must go into to that much detail with every thing for her application. your bank statements if you are sending money out to her and it shows on your statements high light it and evey thing else . show them where all the money goes .
your mothers house get a letter of invitation written out by your mother and get her to sign it and date it. get a photo copy of her passport photo to back up that it is her. get a letter from your employer saying you are in a full time permanent job. take photos of your mothers home. get your girlfriend to keep the print offs if she takes money from the atm machine as this will show how much and when and will tie in to what you send her. you have basically got to treat the embassy visa eco s as people who do not believe any thing you or your girlfriend says until you prove it on paper .this is just the way they work. i and my wife are finding this out right now the hard way. but to be fair to the ecos who see 1000 of applicants week after week thats all they can go on. simple hard evidence and nothing more. put a new application together in a way that you would show every thing and more without any reasons to doubt. put it this way thats what i am on with right now.
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Aw, c'mon- it's hard for some couples to muster up the discipline. Personally I've never managed to mix language teaching and dating (either for my own learning or for my partner's).
The best answer for opening poster: Find a good gay conversation teacher with a lot of time on his hands who'll charge reasonable rates (for a friend, 400-500B/hr for a private is reasonable). Alternatively, pay someone to teach you Thai!
"Steven"
think to teach me thai sounds nice ,erh not
i will teach her myself and then she can pay me!!!!!!!
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Yes, I'd include in your covering letter details about the agency and state that you were misled by them. This won't make matters worse than they currently are. You should then address one-by-one the points that the visa officer made in the refusal and "knock them down", referring to your evidence as you go along. I don't see how you can do this, though, until you have a copy of the letter that the Swiss bloke wrote to the embassy. Tell the visa officer that if he is unwilling to disclose it then, as a general legal principle, he cannot rely upon it when forming his decision. As he has relied upon it, he must disclose it - it's as simple as that.
Scouse.
I would just like to say scouse you have been a great help so far and so have others who have offered there opinions so far.
scouse can i just ask one question on the point you raised about me saying we used a agency and telling them. i feel if i tell them in my letter that we used an agency and they misled us in what papers they put in our evidence folder it might make the eco even more suspicious of me and my wife . wont the eco as a result of me telling them in affect we used an agency form the opion going on the last interview and the 45 questions they asked my wife last time and the answers she gave which where all true and she tried to fight her corner going on the copy of the minutes .the eco will think my wife had lied and had been coached what to say .this then would lead to my evidence been all usesless would it not and her credibility none exsistant?
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what else do you think my wife and i can do now. i dont think there is any think else .I asked; "was she open and upfront about the other relationship in her application, or did the ECO discover it some other way?" Whilst not answering directly, you have said
So my next question is; Why the hel_l not? Jesus Christ, man, what where you thinking? At the very least you must have known they would see the Swiss visas in her passport and so there was a good chance they would ask about them! You say yourselfi did not put this evidence in with her first application.i thought it best not tto talk about it and was in the past.
Did you know beforehand that there was a chance he would do this? You shoulld have addressed this before it became a problem. If you or she had fully explained the circumstances of her previous relationship and her Swiss visits in a covering letter with the application, as you have explained them here, with documents to back you up, then there is a very good chance you would not be having this problem and your wife would have her visa.this swiss man sent to my embassy the documents in question as he knew full well me and the wife would be making plans to be together and he could only do this to stop us from been together.How many more times are we going to see posts from people who have had visas refused because they deliberately omitted information that they thought may be embarrassing, or may make their partner look bad? Full and open honesty is the only way. If you try to hide something and the ECO finds out about it, then there is a big question mark hanging over the veracity of the whole application!
I would also further add this: my wife never did put in a letter with her first application stating how our relationship was and how it grew over the years or about this swiss national and me.
i only stated that it was not serious up until november 2004 and never talked about her going to switzerland in 2004 ,just that i didnt see her for 7 months in early 2004.
I can tell you this we have done this now in her second application and my letter i will give to her to give to the eco in her second interview and it will be very detailed indeed about every thing and this swiss man
OK, rant over.
Seems to me that this is the only way forward.they have just told me i must either appeal on the information submitted at the time or reapply and put in all the missing evidence.
Probably because the Data Protection Act does not allow them to. However, as the documents are about your wife, and are making malicious claims about her, then if she were to ask to see them they would probably comply. As Scouse says, she cannot defend herself against the allegations made against her unless she knows what those allegations are. Get her to ask for copies of them.i would like to see these documents.i have spoken to them on the phone.they refuse to comply with my requests.in response I can say this:I made a big big error of gudgement. i gave all the papers and some of this evidence to a visa agency to put my wifes application together first time as they organised our wedding in bangkok and just took from there. they said they had put all my evidence in.but when she went into interview i checked her folder this information was taken out .they said they felt it was best to show the relationship from november 2004 and not before as it was a problem .i was very angry as i knew we could do bog all and knew it would come up. but we never expected the swiss national to send this kind of information in to the embassy. I will never ever use an agency again for this kind of stuff. to marry yes,any thing else a big big no.. so do i tell the embassy this as well or not? this might make things even worse.
i now have the proof she did not marry in switzerland in the form of emails i have now got back from the zurich migration office and the registry office in blendorf that say papers where sent to prepare to marry but never marriage complete. they now want all my details about this.i will now send them as they are still waiting on the swiss man to tell them to cancell the wedding preparations!!!1
please comment if you can advise me and my wife more.
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I asked; "was she open and upfront about the other relationship in her application, or did the ECO discover it some other way?" Whilst not answering directly, you have said
So my next question is; Why the hel_l not? Jesus Christ, man, what where you thinking? At the very least you must have known they would see the Swiss visas in her passport and so there was a good chance they would ask about them! You say yourselfi did not put this evidence in with her first application.i thought it best not tto talk about it and was in the past.
Did you know beforehand that there was a chance he would do this? You shoulld have addressed this before it became a problem. If you or she had fully explained the circumstances of her previous relationship and her Swiss visits in a covering letter with the application, as you have explained them here, with documents to back you up, then there is a very good chance you would not be having this problem and your wife would have her visa.this swiss man sent to my embassy the documents in question as he knew full well me and the wife would be making plans to be together and he could only do this to stop us from been together.How many more times are we going to see posts from people who have had visas refused because they deliberately omitted information that they thought may be embarrassing, or may make their partner look bad? Full and open honesty is the only way. If you try to hide something and the ECO finds out about it, then there is a big question mark hanging over the veracity of the whole application!
OK, rant over.
Seems to me that this is the only way forward.they have just told me i must either appeal on the information submitted at the time or reapply and put in all the missing evidence.
Probably because the Data Protection Act does not allow them to. However, as the documents are about your wife, and are making malicious claims about her, then if she were to ask to see them they would probably comply. As Scouse says, she cannot defend herself against the allegations made against her unless she knows what those allegations are. Get her to ask for copies of them.i would like to see these documents.i have spoken to them on the phone.they refuse to comply with my requests.in response I can say this:I made a big big error of gudgement. i gave all the papers and some of this evidence to a visa agency to put my wifes application together first time as they organised our wedding in bangkok and just took from there. they said they had put all my evidence in.but when she went into interview i checked her folder this information was taken out .they said they felt it was best to show the relationship from november 2004 and not before as it was a problem .i was very angry as i knew we could do bog all and knew it would come up. but we never expected the swiss national to send this kind of information in to the embassy. I will never ever use an agency again for this kind of stuff. to marry yes,any thing else a big big no.. so do i tell the embassy this as well or not? this might make things even worse.
i now have the proof she did not marry in switzerland in the form of emails i have now got back from the zurich migration office and the registry office in blendorf that say papers where sent to prepare to marry but never marriage complete. they now want all my details about this.i will now send them as they are still waiting on the swiss man to tell them to cancell the wedding preparations!!!1
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Unless what the Swiss bloke wrote in his letter relates to national security, I don't see how the embassy can legitimately withold it. I'd press them for a copy solely in the interests of natural justice. I don't think you can adequately prepare for your next interview until you are in possession of all of the evidence. If they steadfastly refuse to release the information then either go to your MP or instruct a brief.
Your wife could be in with a shout if you can show that the Swiss chap acted maliciously and that your relationship did not become serious until such a time as your wife had left Switzerland.
Cheers,
Scouse.
I have personaly been into the embassy three times about these documents and have asked and emailed the eco manager to talk with me and show me these documents.i have put it in writing whilst i was there last time and stated to them it was an act of a jealous ex boyfiend .i would like to see these documents.i have spoken to them on the phone.they refuse to comply with my requests.they have just told me i must either appeal on the information submitted at the time or reapply and put in all the missing evidence. i have an appointment with my mp in two weeks time and i will raise my concerns about this to her. from what i can gather when my wife had her first interview they where only interested in my bank and savings statements and house docs.as a result of this they forgot to give them back to my wife .i have a email to back this up.they hacv subsequently said they are sorry and sent the bank statements back to me but that is all,and have kept the copies of the title deeds to the house.i have emailed directly the eco who sent me her appology back about this and as yet had no reply.i will argue also that the eco had her mind made up.as why else not look at the evidence folder for contact from november 2004 as i stated in my firstindruduction letter about this and that we got seriuos from that point. clearly the eco did not look as she had what she needed to stop my wife this time?? as for next time i will see what advise my mp can offer me.....
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Simply making a second application is not going to increase your wife's chances of getting the visa. It is imperative that she addresses the visa officer's concerns. As a starting point, submit evidence which highlights your ongoing relationship since 2003.
Additionally, ask the embassy to disclose to you the documents in their possession which led them to draw the conclusions that they did. It is unfair of them to rely upon something of which your wife is not aware. Once you have all of the relevant information you can prepare your case. Also obtain a copy of the interview record from your wife's last appointment. Furthermore, make sure you appeal. If you don't do so, the visa officer can infer that you think his original decision was correct.
Your wife will face an uphill battle, though. One of the requirements of the immigration rules is that she needs to satisfy the visa officer of her intention to live with you permanently and this will be difficult when she freely admits that she was pursuing 2 relationships simultaneously.
Scouse.
thanks for the diffrent view point so far.
what i can say is this: I met her in 2003 about may time . she met this other guy in about september 2003. this guy was twice her age and was a swiss national.she went to switzerland on two 3 months visitors visa. she recalls having to sign papers the second time to enable her to go. she made a few good friends there.one of these good friends she got back in touch with me through via phone calls and emails. i called her and emailed her back this way. I have kept the emails and am getting my phone records pulled. i have an email that says he asked her to marry him in switzerland and she said no to him and that she wanted to go home and be with me. i have emails up to and after this time and the various photos and phone bills up to november 2004. i did not put this evidence in with her first application.i thought it best not tto talk about it and was in the past.
this swiss man sent to my embassy the documents in question as he knew full well me and the wife would be making plans to be together and he could only do this to stop us from been together. i have emailed the swissa authorities .they have emailed and told me she is not married to him.also her friend in switzerland has told me in and email she is not married to him. my wife and i have spoken to him.he says no and that he is sorry for what he has done.yeh sure :realangry:my wife has given lettesr to the swiss embassy about him ,we have kept copies of every thing.
i will write a letter of indroduction as well to my embassy outlineing all of the above and stating that the relationship was not getting serious for me until november 2004 with my now wife. i have requested to see these documents the embassy will not let me see them what so ever. i have stated in a letter we do not wish to appeal on the grounds that it will take to long and the evidence we submitted was enought and did not believe would be required. i dont think any thing but time will help us now as its in the lap of the gods dont you think this time when my wife shows them this extra evidence i will give her to take inside for interview ??? -
the visa is for the uk. i have not left any thing out. all what i have said is true.
the only thing i forgot to add was this other man asked her to marry him whilst she was in his country. through out her second time in his country i was in conatct with her and i can prove this as i have kept the emails etc and will produce the phone bills. i would furter add that my wife said no to him and late returned back to thailand alone. i did not ask her to marry me until 6 months had passed in thailand . the problem is now convincing the eco this and every thing else
if you have the emails print those out , with out any incriminating evidence
when you say incriminating evidence what do you mean? as theyare already aware of my wifes past history on what has gone on with the other guy and myself as this was all asked at interview
print out the good ones . like where she said no and things like that , it doesnt look good though but can just say that when she spent time with him that she did not love him and found that out there .
i have also got a email from the eco that interview my wife which says even though we get documents that may be for a malicoius reason we must take all of these documnets seriously,youself and your wife must address the issues raised in her refusal and refute the ones that you feel are wrong with evidence to support your rational.
the embassy i think know it was a case of a jealous boyfriend trying to seek and get revenge but just wont say that to me as otherwise they would have give her the visa.i am more concerned now on what will be the next line of interogation my wife will be subjected to next month. this is any bodies guess.what else can they honestly ask her that they havent asked already ?? -
the visa is for the uk. i have not left any thing out. all what i have said is true.
the only thing i forgot to add was this other man asked her to marry him whilst she was in his country. through out her second time in his country i was in conatct with her and i can prove this as i have kept the emails etc and will produce the phone bills. i would furter add that my wife said no to him and late returned back to thailand alone. i did not ask her to marry me until 6 months had passed in thailand . the problem is now convincing the eco this and every thing else
if you have the emails print those out , with out any incriminating evidence
when you say incriminating evidence what do you mean? as theyare already aware of my wifes past history on what has gone on with the other guy and myself as this was all asked at interview. surely it would be a good idea me stating in a letter of introduction all about our relationship from start to now and about my thoughts on the other guy and her going to his country as the embassy know what she has done and are just wanting me and my wife to address the issues raised and fill in the gaps in between and leave nothing out as they are assuming the rest already. better to tel the whole truth is not?
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the visa is for the uk. i have not left any thing out. all what i have said is true.
the only thing i forgot to add was this other man asked her to marry him whilst she was in his country. through out her second time in his country i was in conatct with her and i can prove this as i have kept the emails etc and will produce the phone bills. i would furter add that my wife said no to him and late returned back to thailand alone. i did not ask her to marry me until 6 months had passed in thailand . the problem is now convincing the eco this and every thing else
if you have the emails print those out , with out any incriminating evidence
when you say incriminating evidence what do you mean? as theyare already aware of my wifes past history on what has gone on with the other guy and myself as this was all asked at interview
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Where is she staying now?
Are you legally married in the UK?
we married legally married under thai law and got married in bangkok in thailand and she is staying in thailand at the minute in my apartment
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the visa is for the uk. i have not left any thing out. all what i have said is true.
the only thing i forgot to add was this other man asked her to marry him whilst she was in his country. through out her second time in his country i was in conatct with her and i can prove this as i have kept the emails etc and will produce the phone bills. i would furter add that my wife said no to him and late returned back to thailand alone. i did not ask her to marry me until 6 months had passed in thailand . the problem is now convincing the eco this and every thing else
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well all my wife had her settlement visa interview last month and was turned down.this is what it says in her refusal notice:you state you met your husband in 2003 and that your relationship began immediately.you have also stated that you were having a relationship with another man and that both parties where aware of each other.i note that you travelled to twice to this other mans country in 2004 for a total of 7 months.from documents sent to this office it would appear you began preparations for a marriage to the other man in june 2004. you have stated that you where not aware that the documents you signed were with regard to the marriage.i note that you signed a thai document granting this man rights as your legal representive..you state that you did not know what you where signing.i note that you maried jvc600 in may 2005 and that a dowry was paid. i note that you have met jvc600 6 times for approx 2 weeks per time.
you have supplied little documentary evidence to show that your relationship with jvc600 began in 2003.i have documents that suggest you where entering in to a marriage with this other man in his country.you have not been able to give me a satisfactory explanantion for this evidence and i am therefore not satisfied that your true intention is to live permantely in the uk as the spouse of jvc600. therefore i refuse you entry and ref paragrapgh 281.
So all any ideas as to what me and my wife can do now as we have another interview and i will try and put a evidenvce folder together to fight the above .??
Please advise/ help if you can.
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Hi all,
Qestion for those in the know.
where can my wife learn english in pattaya .
she is 24 and i want to help her learn better english.
any ideas??
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thanks again for your replies .this information is very usefull .
many thanks ...........
About 10 years or so ago there was an immigration test case which determined what exactly constitutes accommodation that is occupied exclusively. The result was that it is sufficient to have the sole use of 1 bedroom within a shared house.Consequently, you should get your parents to write a letter to accompany your g/f's application confirming that they are content to have her stay for as long as is necessary and that the 2 of you will have the exclusive use of 1 bedroom. They should also state how many bedrooms the house has in total and how many other people live in the house. Additionally, they should provide either proof of ownership/mortgage or, if rented, a letter from the landlord confirming that he has no objection to your wife-to-be staying there.
Cheers,
Scouse.
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thanks to all that have replied to my posting.
I have one last wuestion to ask .due to the current madness of house prices in the uk at the moment i sadly can not afford my own home.my question is this :i am living with my parents .they have told me that my fiance or may be even wife is welcome to stay with me in there home .if i am reading thing right as long as i can prove this Ie a statement stating this by my parents and pictures to show where she will be staying ie a 3 bedroom semi etc that should be enough to satify ??
I am assuming that you wish to marry your g/f AND settle in the UK.Prior to travelling to the UK your g/f will have to obtain a settlement visa either as a fiancée if you intend to marry in the UK or as your wife if you've done so in Thailand. The cost for either is £260.00 payable in local currency.
The fiancée visa would entitle her to stay in the UK for 6 months during which time you would be expected to marry. Once married she can apply to the Home Office for permission to stay longer (2 years) and this extension costs a minimum of £155.00. Should you marry in Thailand then the visa would give her 2 years from the word go and would not necessitate the intermediate application to the Home Office, saving you at least £155.00.
I concur with Richard's advice about using an agency. Most are cowboys who don't know the first thing about UK immigration law, their raison d'etre being to deprive you of your hard-earned cash. It is possible to research the requirements yourself. For starters there follow the criteria to be met by fiancé(e)s and spouses:-
281. The requirements to be met by a person seeking leave to enter the United Kingdom with a view to settlement as the spouse of a person present and settled in the United Kingdom or who is on the same occasion being admitted for settlement are that:
(i) (a) the applicant is married to a person present and settled in the United Kingdom or who is on the same occasion being admitted for settlement; or
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the applicant is married to a person who has a right of abode in the United Kingdom or indefinite leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom and is on the same occasion seeking admission to the United Kingdom for the purposes of settlement and the parties were married at least 4 years ago, since which time they have been living together outside the United Kingdom; and (ii) the parties to the marriage have met; and
(iii) each of the parties intends to live permanently with the other as his or her spouse and the marriage is subsisting; and
(iv) there will be adequate accommodation for the parties and any dependants without recourse to public funds in accommodation which they own or occupy exclusively; and
(v) the parties will be able to maintain themselves and any dependants adequately without recourse to public funds; and
(vi) the applicant holds a valid United Kingdom entry clearance for entry in this capacity.
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290. The requirements to be met by a person seeking leave to enter the United Kingdom as a fiancé(e) are that:
(i) the applicant is seeking leave to enter the United Kingdom for marriage to a person present and settled in the United Kingdom or who is on the same occasion being admitted for settlement; and
(ii) the parties to the proposed marriage have met; and
(iii) each of the parties intends to live permanently with the other as his or her spouse after the marriage; and
(iv) adequate maintenance and accommodation without recourse to public funds will be available for the applicant until the date of the marriage; and
(v) there will, after the marriage, be adequate accommodation for the parties and any dependants without recourse to public funds in accommodation which they own or occupy exclusively; and
(vi) the parties will be able after the marriage to maintain themselves and any dependants adequately without recourse to public funds; and
(vii) the applicant holds a valid United Kingdom entry clearance for entry in this capacity.
Feel free to post any queries here and you'll save a few hundred quid at least.
Cheers,
Scouse.
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its a hard lesson to learn.every time i use these exchanges i only give them what i need to get out of the place and no more .just enough for a taxi etc then exchange the rest when i get to where i am going .
listen just forget about it ,its not worth the hassle.AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU ARE NOT IN YOUR COUNTRY NOW .YOU ARE IN THAILAND AND THAI LAW LOOKS AFTER THE THAIS NOT YOU .YOU ARE A FARANG.JUST REMEMBER THAT.PUT IT DOWN TO EXPERIENCE
On 31 december i arrived from Singapore to Bangkok international airport,After going through the immigration and custom's i went to the currency exchange to exchange a couple of foreign currency...My last transaction was a Singapore dollar...I gave the Exchange Cleark Singapore $270 in $50= 5 notes and $10+2 notes
After Printing out the the receipt it pointed out that i gave him Singapore $170..When i told him that i gave him $270 he keep on telling me that i gave him only $170...I had and arguement with him until i had to called over my contact which is an officer in the Airport Authority to backed me up...
When i requested the Exhange cleark to show me the footage of the recorded CCTV camera he Shouted at us saying ...NO!!No!! No camera you GO! Go away and throw the money to me...
We had to called upon the Police and went to make a statement in the police Station...We made a police report and i acccused that man of cheating me ...But Police told me to make a complaint to the Bank Head Office..As the Police can't Do anything about this matter as the Exchange counted CCTV was not in working condition....I will be meeting the Bank Incharge this wenesday..Well just wanna know what happen if the Bank refuse to give back my money...
during the incident the exchange cleark says that he check the account in the counter and its all balance...
Offcource hthe money in his counter was balance because he put the $100 dollar in some other places....
I realy need hep in this...Coz the Exchange counter cant show me the video footage because it was not workingg..Can i sue them in Court ????
I just wants to know the thruts and Justicer to be taken seriously...my mood was really turn off by this incident...
please do email me at
JOE
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if you are looking as you say for a wife ,best advise is dont look for a wife the first time you go ,just look for some one who you are happy to be with .it will take alot more than one trip to find the person you you think is the one .3 or 4 trips at least .there is much talk about where and who to go with.people say dont go with the bar girls .if you instantly meet some one and she works at a bar .go with your gut feeling .its a gamble .take a chance .every relationship taks time and trust mind.one thing i would say is dont bother with the go go bars for a girl mind .its up to you
OK guys. I will be in Thailand the first part of Feb. I am going there hoping to find a wife. I will want to bring her back to the US on a fiancé visa. I was married for 21 years so want my next wife to be my last. I am very faithful to the one I love. Would take care of her. I am 41 but I work out and run so I have a 20-year-old body:>) I really am not looking for a 20-year-old girl. Maybe a girl in her 30’s. I don’t want kids. I’m being picky.Should I go to the north and get away from Bangkok? I would like to find a girl that like the water so I could teach her to scuba dive. I love islands.
Thanks
Tom
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ok thanks for that info .did not know this .when you say paper work ,what paper work do i need to get .is it confirmation that i am free and and single to marry paper work
if i marry in thailand where would you say is the best place to do this .she lives in the north about 30 miles from the laos border .i would assume as long as its not a ceromonial weeding it will be legal in the ukhi my thai wife got her visa 3 weeks ago, we are both in the uk now, dont use an agency its a waste of money, just tell the truth, provide everthing they ask for and more, keep receipts.plenty of photos, get married i would, if your sure, and you wont have any problemsYou have to obtain paperwork at your Embassy here in Bangkok and have it registered at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs before you can get married anywhere so I would register at Bang Rak (district of love) as this is used to foreigners (located in the Pat Pong area) and because of the name where most Thai prefer to register. You could also have a ceremony upcountry and register later (often done).
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ok ,thanks for your advise ,would agree with you on this .
i think i will if i have the bottle marry in thailand then go from there .not sure now on where to to marry etec in thailand.its only going to get as complicated as i want it .well thats life .thanks for the info
thanks for the advise richard .the cost of some of these agencys is stupid in any case and is a waste of money.i will have made my mind up what i am going to do when i go back and see her in may .cheers for the advise
I am wanting to bring my thai girlfriend to the uk next year .we are getting engaged in may 2005 .<Snip>
i am thinking about two options in may when i go back to see her.
option one is get married then apply for a visa.
option two is just get engaged then apply for a visa.
people have advised me to use one of the many agencies in thailand to help with getting the visa .
any one offer any sensible advise on my best move now would be most welcomed
.....The standard advice is *not* to use an agency. There is a significant possibility that they will foul up the application with reckless answers that will be contradicted at her visa interview. This means you should check the visa application before it is submitted - easier said than done, given the stubbornness of women in general.
If you are living in the UK, you missed out an option:
Option 3: Apply for a visa on the basis that you will be married at the time of the interview. You can move the offered interview date back to after the planned date of marriage. It will then be possible to fly out, marry, get the wife's settlement visa, and return to the UK together.
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thanks for your advise on this .there seems to be a overall agreement that these agencies are a waste of money and are for the desperate who have loads of money .have looked into some of these agencies for fees etc ,in pattaya average cost will be to use there service about £760 .thats madness .some others in bangkok will charge about £350 ,not bad but still i think a waste of money .i am better off saving my money i think now and using it for either her plain ticket or if i have the bottle the wedding in thailand .i think my best bet will be to get married in thailand then apply for a wife visa.saves money,and lets be honest whats the point in applying for a fiancee visa as i will have to marry in any case before the six months then aplly for extension etc etc which cost more money .
i think nearer to the time i will need to know where to marry in thailand .i must be mad ...........thanks for the info and advise
I am assuming that you wish to marry your g/f AND settle in the UK.Prior to travelling to the UK your g/f will have to obtain a settlement visa either as a fiancée if you intend to marry in the UK or as your wife if you've done so in Thailand. The cost for either is £260.00 payable in local currency.
The fiancée visa would entitle her to stay in the UK for 6 months during which time you would be expected to marry. Once married she can apply to the Home Office for permission to stay longer (2 years) and this extension costs a minimum of £155.00. Should you marry in Thailand then the visa would give her 2 years from the word go and would not necessitate the intermediate application to the Home Office, saving you at least £155.00.
I concur with Richard's advice about using an agency. Most are cowboys who don't know the first thing about UK immigration law, their raison d'etre being to deprive you of your hard-earned cash. It is possible to research the requirements yourself. For starters there follow the criteria to be met by fiancé(e)s and spouses:-
281. The requirements to be met by a person seeking leave to enter the United Kingdom with a view to settlement as the spouse of a person present and settled in the United Kingdom or who is on the same occasion being admitted for settlement are that:
(i) (a) the applicant is married to a person present and settled in the United Kingdom or who is on the same occasion being admitted for settlement; or
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the applicant is married to a person who has a right of abode in the United Kingdom or indefinite leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom and is on the same occasion seeking admission to the United Kingdom for the purposes of settlement and the parties were married at least 4 years ago, since which time they have been living together outside the United Kingdom; and (ii) the parties to the marriage have met; and
(iii) each of the parties intends to live permanently with the other as his or her spouse and the marriage is subsisting; and
(iv) there will be adequate accommodation for the parties and any dependants without recourse to public funds in accommodation which they own or occupy exclusively; and
(v) the parties will be able to maintain themselves and any dependants adequately without recourse to public funds; and
(vi) the applicant holds a valid United Kingdom entry clearance for entry in this capacity.
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290. The requirements to be met by a person seeking leave to enter the United Kingdom as a fiancé(e) are that:
(i) the applicant is seeking leave to enter the United Kingdom for marriage to a person present and settled in the United Kingdom or who is on the same occasion being admitted for settlement; and
(ii) the parties to the proposed marriage have met; and
(iii) each of the parties intends to live permanently with the other as his or her spouse after the marriage; and
(iv) adequate maintenance and accommodation without recourse to public funds will be available for the applicant until the date of the marriage; and
(v) there will, after the marriage, be adequate accommodation for the parties and any dependants without recourse to public funds in accommodation which they own or occupy exclusively; and
(vi) the parties will be able after the marriage to maintain themselves and any dependants adequately without recourse to public funds; and
(vii) the applicant holds a valid United Kingdom entry clearance for entry in this capacity.
Feel free to post any queries here and you'll save a few hundred quid at least.
Cheers,
Scouse.
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if i marry in thailand where would you say is the best place to do this .she lives in the north about 30 miles from the laos border .i would assume as long as its not a ceromonial weeding it will be legal in the uk
hi my thai wife got her visa 3 weeks ago, we are both in the uk now, dont use an agency its a waste of money, just tell the truth, provide everthing they ask for and more, keep receipts.plenty of photos, get married i would, if your sure, and you wont have any problems -
thanks for the advise richard .the cost of some of these agencys is stupid in any case and is a waste of money.i will have made my mind up what i am going to do when i go back and see her in may .
cheers for the advise
I am wanting to bring my thai girlfriend to the uk next year .we are getting engaged in may 2005 .<Snip>
i am thinking about two options in may when i go back to see her.
option one is get married then apply for a visa.
option two is just get engaged then apply for a visa.
people have advised me to use one of the many agencies in thailand to help with getting the visa .
any one offer any sensible advise on my best move now would be most welcomed
.....The standard advice is *not* to use an agency. There is a significant possibility that they will foul up the application with reckless answers that will be contradicted at her visa interview. This means you should check the visa application before it is submitted - easier said than done, given the stubbornness of women in general.
If you are living in the UK, you missed out an option:
Option 3: Apply for a visa on the basis that you will be married at the time of the interview. You can move the offered interview date back to after the planned date of marriage. It will then be possible to fly out, marry, get the wife's settlement visa, and return to the UK together.
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i couldnt have put the comments of the last person better my self.
time and money is all it will take to get the visa and a hel_l of alot of heart ache and upset in the process!!!
my views i have already expressed and to be be fair it was as much my fault for my wife not getting her visa first time . but i do help but wonder now after reading your posts the the interpretor my wife had didnt tell the eco every thing. as my wife now is very very upset and is not looking forward to say the least for her second interview. she said she told them every thing and they still not believe her ,she now thinking and i can not blame her for it that they wont listen and they have made there minds up. what gets me is yes i know they have a job to do and they have to follow the rules,but if they keep seeing the same applicants coming back time and time again that must say they are genuine people i would have thought.
i wonder if it will make any diffrence when they out source the visa section t o a private company.
why they dont have if what people say here is correct excellent interprators i just dont know and is very worrying indeed .
best of luck mate