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The amount of coaches  now around pattaya  compared to what there used to be.   They are a every where.

Someone must be riding in them, its just that we don't always see where they go.

Also the number of people following flags in walking street is high.  They just walk up and down the street, they may only do this once per trip so I would tend to say the numbers "could" be higher.

Its that they don't eat and drink in the local businesses that we tend to use.  They most likely get fed in the Hotel they are staying that is booked out by the tour.  Get on there bus and go some where.  

If they eat out, how many local business can cater for a bus load of people?   not many.   They go to per arranged locations that are set up to cater for a coaches  load of people and a place to park the coaches.

From the Pier to Jomtiem  coaches parked all down the road.

Try going Naklua to beach road early evening and it is rammed with coaches trying to U turn

Between soi 7 and 6 there is a coach/Car park, opposite Centric Sea. Full of Coaches

Going down some of the small soi's, You will hit a coach coming the other way that can barley fit as there is an out of the main drag hotel that is used by coach tours 

Look out to sea in the morning at the number of people doing Paragliding 

The new "Quality" tourists "could" be in Pattaya, i If you look.  You will see all there faces pressed up against a coach window looking at the few people still in left in the bars.

thanks for posting this, I now have some idea why my connection to the UK has got worse

Glad you have recovered, its always sad when you see trees down.

Your rope looks better than the wood in my option. The wood seems low and could cause the tree to snap in the next wind.

Nam som is my local town,

I have been in the UK for 6 months with the misses, but will be back in a few days :-)

The shop had just opened before I left. It is good to have some where to buy bread and basic falang food.

Every one in nam som, hope to see you soon.

I have never seen a 240 AV generator for a thai tractor but quite a few people in this forum say you can get them. Any body know of any shops near udon that will sell one?

Been in a few of the shops and they seem to sell the water pum, tractor and parts but no 240 Ac generators.

µtorrent and isohunt, and there are some good UK TV programs on UKNOVA.

cheers, there is a Thai air flight later so could catch that, but it's over twice the price

Read hear that Air Asia don't do baggage transfers and you have to depart and check in

do nok air do Transfers?

I have an 1 hours and 50 minutes to make a nok air connection, as you waste the ticket if you trun up late. was wondering if you can buy a ticket near departures so if I was on time then I could try and buy a ticket just before boarding.

Cheers

Thai average rubber production 2003-2004

Yield per rai (kgs.) over the year period

2003 Whole Kingdom =286 KG

2004 Whole Kingdom =288 KG

2003 Northern = 182 KG

2004 Northen = 185 KG

2003 North - Eastern =236 KG

2004 North - Eastern =241 KG

2003 Central Plain =250 KG

2004 Central Plain =253 KG

2003 Southern = 292 KG

2003 Southern = 294 KG

It also depend on the time of year as to the amount of Yeild.

11.36

7.51

5.10

5.02

6.64

9.42

9.41

8.79

10.15

8.84

7.6810.08

You might want to look at the option of not drying the latex in to sheet and selling it in its liquid form.

It can be stored in oil drums mixed with ammonia so it does not set.

The amount of work you have to do to process the sheet is quite a bit and then you have to dry them making sure that they don't get mold on them.

So I am told it is some times a problem to sell the sheets for the price you want, as mould and not being fully dry lower the grade of the sheet.

Factories can process the latex in to sheets or concentrate a lot more efficiently and smoke/treat them to stop mould than on site and to a higher quality and therefore get a higher price for the product.

My GF parents used to do sheets, but when the plantation got a lot bigger it was not worth the hassle for the extra money. Alot of the bigger plantations seem to be doing this around us. With only the small 5 - 10 rai places making pens as they have the time and need all the cash they can get.

A popular Thai way

You can get a strimmer with a blade on the end, that will cut through most things.

Then you leave it for a week do dry up then burn it.

If it is not to high then they would spray kill every thing weed killer over it and then burn it.

I would not say the price is fixed.

It is traded on the AFET http://www.afet.or.th/english/exchange/data/quote.php and prices in thailand are fixed by this.

it also follows the same price on the Malaysian Rubber Exchange http://www2.lgm.gov.my/mre/MonthlyPrices.aspx

there is alot of historical data on these sites on the prices. The going price in isian is about 10 baht cheaper per KG than the price FOB BBK when you sell it to the local collector. There is quite a bit of completion from middle men to buy the product from plantations and take it to factories so the market over Thailand tends to follow the exchange price. (easy business for a Thai to start, some do it with a pick-up and a tank on the back. you might have seen the same sort of thing having water in the back when there are water shortages). alot of farmers are just collecting the latex and putting it in oil drums and not making rubber sheets now (Pens). So they sell it to middle men that take it to factories to be processed in to sheets.

there is some data for the future of the NR here http://www.thainr.com/ As pallasaide said the china auto industry is going to grow and has been growing quite a bit. NR is needed for tyres and as the oil price goes up SR goes up and NR follows it.

The peak in the price a few months ago was due to global demand being more than production and global stocks were going down. It has settled down now.

If you have more questions please let me know as I have lived on a working plantation for a while now and have set up a new plantation

Any news on the tesco lotus ?

I have to agree with the law on this one.

I live in Jomtien near Pattaya and like to go

to a reasonably priced bar on soi 8,then like to

walk up Beach Rd beach side,and yes,enjoy

the ladies but the LB's Jeezis Edith!! They have

many times grabbed my arm and locked on,

and then as I'm pulling away,telling them

sternly,but with smile NO..they try to

go for wallet in back pocket.NICE TRY <deleted>!

I keep in front always! but it is getting out of

control.Especially in a few darker strips where lights

are more minimal. They need to go to the island of

misfit toys I think.Where the guys who prefer them

can go and enjoy to their hearts content!

Some of them I'm told,have serious problems/issues

with the yaba daba doo too.

Sorry,just my opinion.

Yep, they can't take NO for an answer. They just keep on pestering you, trying it on,

You just want to say.

Yes Im pissed up, but I still know that your a bloke........<deleted> OFF

I feel sorry for the people that find out the hard way.

RELOCATE THEM to an approate area. But they would not go as they are just after the Dunk that can't tell the differance at the time. Normally a tourist.

I have also been looking for a heater after moving from pattaya to Udon, Can't seem to find one.

anybody found one yet? as it quite cold at night and a gas or electric fire would be handy.

The reason could be that taxin wants all phones registered so he can locate any one in thaland from there id card / passort and then there mobile phone number, down to 10 meters in areas like BBK and 1 -3 km in rual areas.

I showed intrest in buying some land for rubber, Problem being the land titles here are not worth any thing to a falang. (Sor.Bor. Kor.) so I belive

Family is getting all excited and running around and it seems all they are talking about is X rai and X Lan / cen......

Im trying to make it clear that I will only buy land with a Chanott or Nor. Sor. Sam or Nor Sor Sam kor (N.S.3).

Yep I will put it in her name and take a lease 30+30+30 or company, Build house, plant rubber trees, buy buffaloo, chicken, fish and they can have it when I don't want it.

For a Thai it might be Ok for land with a Sor.Bor. Kor. but it seems what they are talking about, selling land with a Sor.Bor. Kor. and is not possible even for a thai and as for a falang.......

Quote " The one significant thing that may not happen with a Sor.Bor.Kor is that it may not be sold, leased or transferred (except under last will and testament). "

I need to but the brakes on this before there is a loss of face and make it clear.

I keep hitting the same brick wall. "Many Falang Buy land. Why they do ok and you not. Why You scare. they not lose land"

I don't think they are trying to rip me off as the family allready has a 100 rai rubber plantation that they are cutting, pick up, tractor, Gold and 20 cows ect and they pay there own way and have given me there second house to live in.

If some one could help me translate the following it would also help other falang when trying to get thai to understand what a falang can buy.

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Chanott

Nor. Sor. Sam or Nor Sor Sam kor (N.S.3)

Sor.Kor. Nung (S.K.1)

Tor.Bor Tor.Hoc (T.B.T.6)

Tor.Bor.Tor.5).

Sor.Bor. Kor

They may be mortgaged, planning permission for development may be sought and granted. The one significant thing that may not happen with a Sor.Bor.Kor is that it may not be sold leased or transferred (except under last will and testament)

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Many thanks to whom can help me out and stop things going out of control and loss of face.

IF you are feeling really help full then the below would also be good to have translated

Chanott titles

Issued by the Provincial office of the Thailand Department, are accurately surveyed, plotted in relation to a national survey grid and also marked by unique numbered marker posts set in the ground. It is the long term goal of the Land Department, that all land in Thailand will be covered under the Chanott title system, but with currently available funds, manpower and resources this process will take several decades to complete.

Nor. Sor. Sam or Nor Sor Sam kor (N.S.3)

Most "titles" in rural Thailand are however of the Nor. Sor. Sam or Nor Sor Sam kor (N.S.3) variety and are in the strictest interpretation "land exploration testimonial deeds". They are to all practical purposes land titles deeds (issued and maintained by the Ampher, the District land office) in as much as clear records of ownership are maintained, and that they maybe sold, leased, used as mortgage collateral etc. In the case of the Nor.Sor.Sam. (But not the more recently issued Nor.Sor.Sam.Kor) there is however a requirement that 30 days public notice is necessary before any change of status over the land can be registered.N.S.3. titles are in general less accurately surveyed than Chanott titles. In the case of the older (now increasingly rare N.S.3) titles the boundaries are only recorded in relation to the neighboring plots and survey errors in length of boundary or area of as much as 20% are not unusual.

The newer Nor.Sor.Sam. Kor. Is in general much more accurately surveyed and each plot is crossed referenced to a master survey of the area and a corresponding aerial photograph. For this reason whenever purchasing N.S.3 land which lacks clearly defined physical boundaries it is a wise precaution to ask the owner to stake out the boundary and then ask neighboring land owners to confirm the vendors interpretation of the boundary do not rely solely on the drawing on the deed.

The Chanott and the Nor.Sor.Sam.Kor. are the only titles over which register able right of ownership or lease can exist, and are as such the only once that a prudent foreigner should consider.

Summaries of some of the lesser land title/claims are covered in Understanding

Sor.Kor. Nung (S.K.1)

Tor.Bor Tor.Hoc (T.B.T.6)

Tor.Bor.Tor.5).

Below the Chanott and N.S.3.title outlined in Understanding land Titles, part 1, there are a host of other forms of land claim document such as the Sor.Kor. Nung (S.K.1); the Tor.Bor Tor.Hoc (T.B.T.6) and the Tor.Bor.Tor.5). These rights are essentially a form of squatter or settlers claim, which has been filed with the district office and upon which a small fee has been paid. Unlike the Chanott and N.S.3., it is neither possible to register a sale or lease over these land rights, nor will a bank accept them for collateral and most importantly you cannot apply for (or obtain approval) to build on such land.

In certain circumstances, based on the length of the claim and the user to which the land has been put, it is possible to upgrade these land claims (to N.S.3or Chanott titles. The steps involved is such an application and the number of government departments required to approve such an application (where such approval is often discretionary) is however quite daunting and most definitely not recommended to anyone without the best of connections at the district, provincial and (in many cases) national level.

Sor.Bor. Kor.

The more recently issued Sor.Bor. Kor. Titles about which there was such a political scandal in 1997 are very different to the above claims. These are true title deeds, accurately surveyed and pegged (like a Chanott). They may be mortgaged, planning permission for development may be sought and granted. The one significant thing that may not happen with a Sor.Bor.Kor is that it may not be sold leased or transferred (except under last will and testament). Many of those who claimed and received (and in a few notable cases-had them rescinded) these titles, expect that this limitation will change in time or that the titles can be quickly upgraded to a full Chanott. This is not a universal interpretation of the intention of the new titles and with the Democrat government anxious not to burn its fingers the same way a second time, it is unlikely that any upgrading will granted in the near future.

lookingt at land titles:

here is what I have found out so far:

Chanott titles, issued by the Provincial office of the Thailand Department, are accurately surveyed, plotted in relation to a national survey grid and also marked by unique numbered marker posts set in the ground. It is the long term goal of the Land Department, that all land in Thailand will be covered under the Chanott title system, but with currently available funds, manpower and resources this process will take several decades to complete.

Most "titles" in rural Thailand are however of the Nor. Sor. Sam or Nor Sor Sam kor (N.S.3) variety and are in the strictest interpretation "land exploration testimonial deeds". They are to all practical purposes land titles deeds (issued and maintained by the Ampher, the District land office) in as much as clear records of ownership are maintained, and that they maybe sold, leased, used as mortgage collateral etc. In the case of the Nor.Sor.Sam. (But not the more recently issued Nor.Sor.Sam.Kor) there is however a requirement that 30 days public notice is necessary before any change of status over the land can be registered.N.S.3. titles are in general less accurately surveyed than Chanott titles. In the case of the older (now increasingly rare N.S.3) titles the boundaries are only recorded in relation to the neighboring plots and survey errors in length of boundary or area of as much as 20% are not unusual.

The newer Nor.Sor.Sam. Kor. Is in general much more accurately surveyed and each plot is crossed referenced to a master survey of the area and a corresponding aerial photograph. For this reason whenever purchasing N.S.3 land which lacks clearly defined physical boundaries it is a wise precaution to ask the owner to stake out the boundary and then ask neighboring land owners to confirm the vendors interpretation of the boundary do not rely solely on the drawing on the deed.

The Chanott and the Nor.Sor.Sam.Kor. are the only titles over which register able right of ownership or lease can exist, and are as such the only once that a prudent foreigner should consider.

Summaries of some of the lesser land title/claims are covered in Understanding Land Titles, Part 2.

Below the Chanott and N.S.3.title outlined in Understanding land Titles, part 1, there are a host of other forms of land claim document such as the Sor.Kor. Nung (S.K.1); the Tor.Bor Tor.Hoc (T.B.T.6) and the Tor.Bor.Tor.5). These rights are essentially a form of squatter or settlers claim, which has been filed with the district office and upon which a small fee has been paid. Unlike the Chanott and N.S.3., it is neither possible to register a sale or lease over these land rights, nor will a bank accept them for collateral and most importantly you cannot apply for (or obtain approval) to build on such land.

In certain circumstances, based on the length of the claim and the user to which the land has been put, it is possible to upgrade these land claims (to N.S.3or Chanott titles. The steps involved is such an application and the number of government departments required to approve such an application (where such approval is often discretionary) is however quite daunting and most definitely not recommended to anyone without the best of connections at the district, provincial and (in many cases) national level.

The more recently issued Sor.Bor. Kor. Titles about which there was such a political scandal in 1997 are very different to the above claims. These are true title deeds, accurately surveyed and pegged (like a Chanott). They may be mortgaged, planning permission for development may be sought and granted. The one significant thing that may not happen with a Sor.Bor.Kor is that it may not be sold or transferred (except under last will and testament). Many of those who claimed and received (and in a few notable cases-had them rescinded) these titles, expect that this limitation will change in time or that the titles can be quickly upgraded to a full Chanott. This is not a universal interpretation of the intention of the new titles and with the Democrat government anxious not to burn its fingers the same way a second time, it is unlikely that any upgrading will granted in the near future.

Any one know of any big van or lorry hire companies please ?

I have about 3 - 4 normall pick up truck worth of stuff to move from pattaya to Udon but don't want to make 4 trips.

I was told budget did one way rentals and would have been great, but they do not hire vans only pick ups and cars

If any one has any removal, man and a van or van hire compaines or freinds.....

Could not find any thing when I seached TV

Thanks

Hi,

Can any one help me explain to a thai what a "letter of credit" means please?

I will be providing a letter of credit to a thai to show that I have the funds available.

so if some one can help by replying with the meaning in thai script so I can print it out it would be a great help as the online dictionaries seem only to look up single words.

Many thanks

My GF family has a rubber plantation.

As always she is trying to get me to buy more land. I have been there for 2 days and am going back to look at it further. ( brother was going to become a monk and I did a swift visit as I had to get back.)

The way they collected the rubber was with 1/2 a coconut shell tied to the tree with wire and a peice of metal ( TAP) that got stuck it to the tree after a layer of the bark was stripped with a knife / scrapper type thing.

I did have a go but was so pissed that the knife was taken from me as I messing up the tree, but I could hardley walk at the time and got back to drinking.

I am about to go and have a look again in more detail after speaking with GF and her farther about it more.

let to look at other posts and the net but am willing to share notes based on what I find and looking at a working rubber plantation.

whats the gas thing about?

can some one pass the info on please.

I have traveled from LHR a number of times with only a ticket to thailand. I have brought tickets from thailand BBK>LHR and LHR>BBK.

I was never even questioned about it. I know quite a few people that have done this with no problems.

why does the airline sell a one way ticket if you can't travel on it?

wost case, tell them you have a e ticket with some other airline to travel on to XXX.

This is an interesting debate.

I remember spending hours on Space Invader in arcades when I was young,don't think it affected me to much.Although I still play PC games,as many adults on here do.

What would these kids be doing if they did not have this outlet?on the streets?drugs?

I think online gaming/chat helps teach kids to think quickly,interact with others and possibly even help their English skillls more.Thats on top of the computer skills they might learn.

Were are the kids from that have problems  in your experince  VanZam? Thai or western?.

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Well said. Kids playing on PC's can't be all that bad. What else would you rather kids do? TV or hanging around the streets. At least in most cases you know where they are and there is normally an adult around. Most of these games require a level of PC skill and English and should lead kids on to more constructive things with PC's and wanting there own PC

A freind of mine was going back to school to learn to write some types of documents he had to be able to do to pass "the test". He could speak thai and has worked here for a long time talking to thais on the phone.

So as posted there could very well be a test as well. I belive you also have to be able to sing the national anthem.

though $$$ could pass you as with the driving test.

Thank you all for your help on this.

I belive that I know know why you can not, there seems to not be a single reason but quite a few factors:

1) Light pollution

mosts lights do not have the shield over them to reflect the light down.

most of the time its those bare florissant tubes hanging from what ever. Also on refelection there are a ###### of alot of lights (soi pattayaland and walking)

2) High mositure in the air

time of the year, being next to the sea in pattaya, I do remember that it was alway those cold sharp nights back in the UK that you could see them best. yes there are no cloulds but it is humid.

3) Being at see level there is a lot more atmosphere to see through

4) You won't see the great star clusters in the centre of the galaxy (the 'Milky Way') from here. Thanks "The_Moog"

5) Take off your sunglasses at night.

Thanks Boo

Thanks to the rest of TV that brightened a boring question and shared old star gazing memories.