Cypress Hill

It used to be that the police didn't piss-test foreigners - only Thais - but it appears that's no longer the case

OP should also be aware that the ONLY advice worth anything on visa matters is that provided by Ubonjoe.

The post preceding this one appears to suggest that the 400K needs to be matured for 2/3 months to qualify for extension of stay based on having Thai child

It doesn't

I have never believed Thailand's unemployment numbers. Every where I go there is some little noodle stand or something similar attached to a house even in alleys. I suppose these people are "working" but how much do they earn?

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Yeah because the unemployment data in your beloved US of A so accurately reflects the truth 4.9% is the official rate as of today

Apparently, your economy is apparently creating all these jobs - but no one's spending despite holding down 3 McJobs and the cheapest tank of gasoline in more than a decade . . .

I suppose these people are "working" but how much do they earn?

He didn't compare Thailand to "his beloved US of A" in his post, he didn't even mention it at all. The only one making such a comparison is you.

Only in your tiny mind I suppose, if one country has a defect that mean everywhere else is better for it.

Tiny mind?

Yeah whatever, Copernicus

My response to that post took into account Neversure's interminable Thai-bashing and endless comparisons to the US in countless previous topics

I have a friend from Ghana who lives in Thailand and has also lived in several other countries. His experience is that Thais are the most racist people he has met.

Here in the provinces he apparently has no problem but down in Bangkok he says people look horrified at his presence and even wipe themselves if he accidentally brushes past them.

Why is it always a white guy saying this? I've yet to meet a black person in Thailand who's had any bad experiences. Even the black members on TV who comment from time to time have not mentioned being the target of racism by Thais. It's as if some white folks in Thailand feel a desperate need to convince everyone that Thais are racist against blacks. But reality is nothing like that.

And plenty of my Thai friends agree that they also don't like Africans, and would react in much the same way.

Alex88:

God bless, but your posts just don't ring true to me.

First of all, you're white, right? How is that you have all these African friends who are crying on your shoulder about what a racially oppressive and discriminatory society Thailand is? I don't see too many Africans hanging out with white guys down in Bangkok. Seems especially odd when said white guy has a "get over it, already!" attitude about the transatlantic slave trade.

Then you tell us, hey, not only do I have lots of African friends, but I've got all these Thai friends too, who, coincidentally enough, don't really like Africans. Where are all your Thai friends meeting Africans to formulate their strong opinions? It just seems to me that the average Thai person would have fairly limited contact with Africans, mainly because there aren't that many of them here.

Am I the only one who finds it just a tad bit implausible that a white guy here in Thailand has not only befriended a whole bunch of black Africans, but also a whole bunch of Thai people who curiously enough just happen to not like Africans either. That's quite a coincidence, I think most would agree. Do your Thai friends know you are hanging out with Africans? Do your African friends know that you are hanging out with Thais who don't like Africans? Your social life must require quite a bit of juggling.

I'm also curious about how feelings about Africans comes up in conversation with your Thai friends. Do you bring the subject up? Are you saying stuff like "Somchai, I gotta tell you, I really, really don't like Africans," and your Thai friends are sympathetically agreeing with you? Or are you saying that somehow out of the clear blue sky your Thai friends suddenly announce, 'I don't like Africans." I mean, how does that subject even come up? It's just that I've been coming here for 30 years now, and the subject's never come up. What's your secret?

Another thing you posted that just didn't make sense to me was that, while your Ghanaian friend had "no problem out in the countryside," he found Bangkok to be a hotbed of racism. I found that to be very curious for the simple reason that a significant percentage of the people in Bangkok at any given time are there temporarily or semi-permanently from the countryside. They're there for employment, commerce, medical care, visiting relatives, etc. Because of this constant ebb and flow of people, it doesn't make sense that there would be such a stark contrast in racial attitudes between rural Thailand and cosmopolitan Bangkok.

And just one last question: since you're so in tight with the African community here in Thailand, have you ever introduced any of your African friends to your Thai friends, so that your African-hating Thai friends can discover what great people all of your African friends are?

Expertly deconstructed

Anyway, this is not a discussion about slavery, it's a discussion about racism against non-white foreigners in Thailand

I read this somewhere and it made sense:

Thais tend to hate you for WHO you are meaning that, in most instances, they'll assess you on your manners, your appearance and perceived status

Yanks, Brits, Frogs etc tend to hate you for WHAT you are meaning that, regardless of whether you're a good person, well-presented and polite, just being born a certain race or colour is enough to despise you

Who would've thought that an ostensibly backward, poorly-educated people could teach the oh-so educated and cultured first-world such wisdom

Wow, seriously.....

Yes, seriously

That is my perception after 8 years here.

But then again, I don't allow my perceptions to be clouded by the odd bit of dual pricing, the use of the word "farang" or the fact that the Thai beauty ideal favours fair skin.

None of that shit constitutes racism and only highly-strung, self-entitled, conceited people would believe that it does.

Anyway, this is not a discussion about slavery, it's a discussion about racism against non-white foreigners in Thailand

I read this somewhere and it made sense:

Thais tend to hate you for WHO you are meaning that, in most instances, they'll assess you on your manners, your appearance and perceived status

Yanks, Brits, Frogs etc tend to hate you for WHAT you are meaning that, regardless of whether you're a good person, well-presented and polite, just being born a certain race or colour is enough to despise you

Who would've thought that an ostensibly backward, poorly-educated people could teach the oh-so educated and cultured first-world such wisdom

Exactly. The Europeans didn't just show up and kidnap Africans. Africans were the ones who sold them the slaves.

White slavers GLOBALIZED the black slavery trade.

Denying it is tantamount to trying to cast doubt that the Holocaust took place

why are most of the 'farangs' here bent on trying to make me feel the problem is actually with the Thais when we all know

the west initiated slavery and slave trade

There is such a huge chip on your shoulder.

Slavery is in the past.

No white person alive today was responsible for slavery. It's history.

So you might want to stop putting the blame on the white people that exist today for something they never did and something that most likely led to the descendants of Black slaves (certainly those in the US) having a better life than if their ancestors had remained in Africa.

Moronic post

Black people are still suffering the detrimental effects of slavery and white people are still eating out on the benefits.

Oh, for sure, a lot of blacks are their own worst enemy thanks to divisive, antisocial attitudes rooted in culture (certainly in the US) but there's no denying are obstacles placed in their way by those in power.

Britain, the US built their fortunes on the back of exploitation and slavery and to suggest otherwise suggests an attempt to rewrite history so that socially conscious white folks can let themselves off the hook for the shit their ancestors did and got away with

And black slavery didnt exist in Africa before did it?

Sorry, but I don't recall saying or even implying that

From Cypress hill #16 couldn't quote all of the quoted posts in answer because of the cut off by the auto answer

Insurance?

I'm referring to the indigenous people of Thailand.

As was I

The insurers mainly coverThais

Maybe you could tell us the source of your statement?

I don't have a source but simple deductive reasoning will suffice here

A Thai insurer like, say, ThaiHealth isn't going to survive on the premiums it gets from farang pensioners and expats, is it?

Not least because most foreigners either don't bother with insurance or can't afford it

There is a burgeoning middle class in Thailand despite the efforts of some on here to brand most of them as impoverished peasants.

I have been travelling to and from Thailand for the last twelve years or so, however I have not been able to go back there

for the last 18 months due to some ongoing health problems which I am hoping will be stabilise within the next 6 months

to enable me to go back there for a couple of months break away.

Having said all that the purpose of my posting is to ask why is it that I often see written or commented by some posters that they consider Thailand to be a third world country. Personally from my own observations and experiences during the times I have been there that I cannot really see any merit in labelling Thailand as a third world country. It has numerous first class hospitals, many modern buildings and shopping malls all over the country, most of the supporting infrastructure overall is well developed in most

aspects Just to mention a few positives

Sure there are quite a few problems in some of the modernisation of several government services and organisations but I don't consider everything being equal that referring to Thailand as a third world country in true respect is justified or warranted.

I actually like the place overall and have not had any adverse situations occurred personally that has turned me off the country,

Certainly nothing that has given me the impression of it being a third world country

Maybe it is all to do with the way some people go about the daily life style when they holiday or live long term in Thailand.

First class hospitals yes if you have millions of baht to pay them for their services.

Insurance?

I'm referring to the indigenous people of Thailand.

As was I

The insurers mainly coverThais

I have been travelling to and from Thailand for the last twelve years or so, however I have not been able to go back there

for the last 18 months due to some ongoing health problems which I am hoping will be stabilise within the next 6 months

to enable me to go back there for a couple of months break away.

Having said all that the purpose of my posting is to ask why is it that I often see written or commented by some posters that they consider Thailand to be a third world country. Personally from my own observations and experiences during the times I have been there that I cannot really see any merit in labelling Thailand as a third world country. It has numerous first class hospitals, many modern buildings and shopping malls all over the country, most of the supporting infrastructure overall is well developed in most

aspects Just to mention a few positives

Sure there are quite a few problems in some of the modernisation of several government services and organisations but I don't consider everything being equal that referring to Thailand as a third world country in true respect is justified or warranted.

I actually like the place overall and have not had any adverse situations occurred personally that has turned me off the country,

Certainly nothing that has given me the impression of it being a third world country

Maybe it is all to do with the way some people go about the daily life style when they holiday or live long term in Thailand.

First class hospitals yes if you have millions of baht to pay them for their services.

Insurance?

I have never believed Thailand's unemployment numbers. Every where I go there is some little noodle stand or something similar attached to a house even in alleys. I suppose these people are "working" but how much do they earn?

unem.jpg

Yeah because the unemployment data in your beloved US of A so accurately reflects the truth 4.9% is the official rate as of today

Apparently, your economy is apparently creating all these jobs - but no one's spending despite holding down 3 McJobs and the cheapest tank of gasoline in more than a decade . . .

I suppose these people are "working" but how much do they earn?

Well now I have noticed nothing of the sort here in the South,We go into the town and sometimes we see 1 or 2 Westerners at the most 3, that has not changed over the last 4 years .I like it this way,,, We don't have to Mingle with to many Westerners,,,Just the way we like it . 1 or 2 Friends is Fine . Love it !

I know a few people like yourself and I really cant make it out.

Why do people who have no wish meeting fellow Westerners in real life spend much of their spare time conversing with them online ?

Seriously I don't get it.

One of only a handful of reasons why any farang would rule out interaction with other farangs is an intrinsic fear of being instantly identified as a tool/dullard/faker.

I don't shun any anyone based on their being a foreigner - why not just take people as individuals?

Not dissimilar to what went on in Cologne and major cities across Germany and Europe on New Year's Eve. Not to mention mass child sexual abuse at the hands of 'minorities' based on the same criteria you quote, but keep quiet about 100% of the time.

You social justice warriors make me laugh with your one way, blindfolded and hypocritical agenda to close down all forms of free speech by attacking something that was almost certainly said in jest.

You lot get bent out of shape and go way over the top at the most menial thing so you can spit out your libtard buzzwords.

All you are doing is painting a big target on your back on a forum like this. Because 99% of your arguments are so insanely shallow, you are easy to take down, and as much as I am tempted, I have not the patience or inclination to expose you.... you're already doing that.

Forums like this? You mean full of carping, near-extinct imbeciles living in a colonial timewarp?

How can you call his argument 'insanely shallow' when you've got the audacity to trot out that puerile nonsense about the events in Cologne. Don't white guys rape and assault women?

Mass sexual abuse at the hands of minorities??

You conveniently ignore all the ostensibly squeaky clean white paedophiles who've been coming to SE Asia to bugger little boys and girls for generations? Three caught here and deported in the last 2 months alone.

Seriously, mate . . . come back when you've got a mature, adult argument you haven't borrowed from the Daily Mail opinion column

Daily Mail comment section does not load for me from my VPN, but I will stop my comments when you agree to stop policing this forum on behalf of people you don't even know and who don't really give a toss about you or your childish ranting on their behalf.

Go back to your utra-liberal protection of people and who at the same time want to throw your gays off roofs..... Yes.... That is how confused you are.

I don't "police" the forum - I simply take issue with idiots who lament on the apparent demise of "free speech" because society at large no longer tolerates wanton insults towards those who may look or be a little different.

I don't need to know those who are maligned by people like you any more than you need to know those who causes you may be sympathetic to.

I'm not gay but I have gay friends and if I want to take issue with some idiot who calls an entire group of people "insufferable", that's my business. If you don't like it, tough!

We all know gay people, and they do not need social warriors like you defending them.

The gay people i know like to take the p7ss, say un PC things, eat, sleep sh7t and piss like the rest of us.

Clearly the ones you know are fragile, get upset at everything and need protecting.

It has to be said that your average Thai is far more nationalistic and prejudice to foreigners than someone like Nick Griffin, so i am confused why you moved to such a place ... Canada would be far more suited to your ilk i believe.

Zzzzzz

You wouldn't be longing for

those days if you'd spent

any length of time being

attacked for the colour of

your skin, your faith or your

sexual orientation.

Not dissimilar to what went on in Cologne and major cities across Germany and Europe on New Year's Eve. Not to mention mass child sexual abuse at the hands of 'minorities' based on the same criteria you quote, but keep quiet about 100% of the time.

You social justice warriors make me laugh with your one way, blindfolded and hypocritical agenda to close down all forms of free speech by attacking something that was almost certainly said in jest.

You lot get bent out of shape and go way over the top at the most menial thing so you can spit out your libtard buzzwords.

All you are doing is painting a big target on your back on a forum like this. Because 99% of your arguments are so insanely shallow, you are easy to take down, and as much as I am tempted, I have not the patience or inclination to expose you.... you're already doing that.

Forums like this? You mean full of carping, near-extinct imbeciles living in a colonial timewarp?

How can you call his argument 'insanely shallow' when you've got the audacity to trot out that puerile nonsense about the events in Cologne. Don't white guys rape and assault women?

Mass sexual abuse at the hands of minorities??

You conveniently ignore all the ostensibly squeaky clean white paedophiles who've been coming to SE Asia to bugger little boys and girls for generations? Three caught here and deported in the last 2 months alone.

Seriously, mate . . . come back when you've got a mature, adult argument you haven't borrowed from the Daily Mail opinion column

Daily Mail comment section does not load for me from my VPN, but I will stop my comments when you agree to stop policing this forum on behalf of people you don't even know and who don't really give a toss about you or your childish ranting on their behalf.

Go back to your utra-liberal protection of people and who at the same time want to throw your gays off roofs..... Yes.... That is how confused you are.

I don't "police" the forum - I simply take issue with idiots who lament on the apparent demise of "free speech" because society at large no longer tolerates wanton insults towards those who may look or be a little different.

I don't need to know those who are maligned by people like you any more than you need to know those who causes you may be sympathetic to.

I'm not gay but I have gay friends and if I want to take issue with some idiot who calls an entire group of people "insufferable", that's my business. If you don't like it, tough!

You wouldn't be longing for

those days if you'd spent

any length of time being

attacked for the colour of

your skin, your faith or your

sexual orientation.

Not dissimilar to what went on in Cologne and major cities across Germany and Europe on New Year's Eve. Not to mention mass child sexual abuse at the hands of 'minorities' based on the same criteria you quote, but keep quiet about 100% of the time.

You social justice warriors make me laugh with your one way, blindfolded and hypocritical agenda to close down all forms of free speech by attacking something that was almost certainly said in jest.

You lot get bent out of shape and go way over the top at the most menial thing so you can spit out your libtard buzzwords.

All you are doing is painting a big target on your back on a forum like this. Because 99% of your arguments are so insanely shallow, you are easy to take down, and as much as I am tempted, I have not the patience or inclination to expose you.... you're already doing that.

Forums like this? You mean full of carping, near-extinct imbeciles living in a colonial timewarp?

How can you call his argument 'insanely shallow' when you've got the audacity to trot out that puerile nonsense about the events in Cologne. Don't white guys rape and assault women?

Mass sexual abuse at the hands of minorities??

You conveniently ignore all the ostensibly squeaky clean white paedophiles who've been coming to SE Asia to bugger little boys and girls for generations? Three caught here and deported in the last 2 months alone.

Seriously, mate . . . come back when you've got a mature, adult argument you haven't borrowed from the Daily Mail opinion column

Depends where you live, where you hang out and with whom

I can only speak for BKK but I'm seeing untold younger farangs around the more upmarket establishments

They're hanging out with young, hip locals and they won't be seen dead in Cowboy, NEP or Pattaya.

The demographics of the farang expat have changed considerably . . . Thank God

What? A bunch of insufferable gays?

It's bigoted farang dinosaurs with similar opinions to yours that are dying out in this country.

Cause for celebration indeed.

He's not the problem,its people like you who take offence to everyone and everything that don't follow your PC mantra who are the problem with the world in the C21.

How i long for the times when people could say and do as they pleased without being branded a nazi, homophobe, racist, sexist etc...., your kind have created a situation where you're looking out to be offended on a minutely basis .. And you move to Thailand to spread this disease,

You think it's PC to take issue with someone saying "those insufferable gays"?

I mean, was the statement not sufficiently homophobic to warrant a response? Was it somehow ambiguous or open to interpretation?

It's only "PC" when you're not in the group or demographic being marginalised and/or being made the butt of abuse, discrimination or ridicule.

The thing is I would bet any money you care to propose that you're one of the whinging <deleted> who complain about dual pricing, being called 'farang' or being stopped and searched by the Thai cops

I bet you'd love it if legislation were introduced to outlaw that yet here you sit talking out of your ar5e about political correctness

Depends where you live, where you hang out and with whom

I can only speak for BKK but I'm seeing untold younger farangs around the more upmarket establishments

They're hanging out with young, hip locals and they won't be seen dead in Cowboy, NEP or Pattaya.

The demographics of the farang expat have changed considerably . . . Thank God

What? A bunch of insufferable gays?

It's bigoted farang dinosaurs with similar opinions to yours that are dying out in this country.

Cause for celebration indeed.

I guess not everyone likes living under a military dictatorship where they can't even look at certain news sources on the internet legally. Land of the free and of smiles it has not been for a long time, if ever.

Yeah pull the other one. Most of these people couldn't give a monkey's about the junta as long as they're getting their leg over regularly.

Depends where you live, where you hang out and with whom

I can only speak for BKK but I'm seeing untold younger farangs around the more upmarket establishments

They're hanging out with young, hip locals and they won't be seen dead in Cowboy, NEP or Pattaya.

The demographics of the farang expat have changed considerably . . . Thank God

So, as he is, (according to the letter of the law), working illegally, I would think that the RTP do have the powers to seize his laptop and any other evidence.

I actually don't think people are allowed to make comments as stupid as that without a licence

Pray tell, what is so stupid about the comment? Any police force have the right to take evidence to back up criminal charges?

You're effectively saying that the police, after observation of his activities on a computer being used at a coffee shop, can

1. Deduce that he's working illegally and

2. Take both him and his PC into custody right there and then.

That's what's so monumentally stupid about the comment.

On what grounds could they justify accusing him of working illegally? Sending an email? Visiting a website? Uploading a file to his Dropbox, perhaps?

No matter how hard the haters pray, there will be no witch-hunt of online workers.

It's simply too difficult to track them down and bring charges.

They will always go after the easy targets doing the idiotic things to earn an illegal crust in this country . . . like the farang fool selling Thai BBQ from a cart in the street

So, as he is, (according to the letter of the law), working illegally, I would think that the RTP do have the powers to seize his laptop and any other evidence.

I actually don't think people are allowed to make comments as stupid as that without a licence

I have never seen Thais listening to Westerners.. all things that change come from Thais themselves.. not from Western influences we have zero influence here.

Just the way it ought to be

If that were true, why then is it that John Arnonne and others are so concerned over western influence?

Thai society is changing, westerners in Thailand are part of that change and are influence part of that change.

John Arnonne and those who support his point of view are playing the part of <deleted> (I assure you I have spelled that correctly)

If what were true?

Who says the Westerners influencing change in Thailand comes from the Westerners here?

Wider access to information is more responsible for the change in Thailand than the actual presence of Westerners in their land.

When I got here in '08, very few Thai people had smartphones and/or internet access.

There were still tons of Westerners here but, IMO, the adoption of certain Western traits has largely coincided with mass internet penetration, not the presence of a bunch of aging economic migrants and sex refugees

I have never seen Thais listening to Westerners.. all things that change come from Thais themselves.. not from Western influences we have zero influence here.

Just the way it ought to be

Good to have you back, Phuturatica.

The same needy, whinging old farts are still here complaining about 90 day reports, the fact the're not allowed to buy land and how the Thais only want them for their "money" . . .

. . . and not the wealth of riveting life experience they amassed while pounding the pavement delivering post in Sunderland for 30 years.

Needless to say, I am still here ridiculing them for doing so