paz

1 minute ago, sebastion said:

Must be hard being a clueless nooblet.
Try travelling the globe and you'll be amazed what you'll learn about hookers.
Every country has them. It's hard to believe I know.

Looks like you are a resource in knowing hookers. But much less when it comes to human empathy.

13 minutes ago, 007 RED said:

Sorry to correct you, but the fine for a Thai National is also 20K Baht, they just don't get the possible 2 year imprisonment.

Nonsense. I quoted a translation of the law, should I quote the original in Thai? 

The only Thais that pay the fine as Foreigners are the ones that willingly subject themselves to the abuse by Immigration. A Judge would not impose that fine, in fact Immigration Judges routinely impose lesser fines than 20K.

4 minutes ago, nss70 said:

Any up to date preference on consulate for easiest application with the least demanding requirements?

There are no requirements. People goes to the one which is closer, more convenient, or to match with a visit to another country, etc.

Just now, Montnoveau said:

Stereotype is alt fact.

Any relation to alt right?

10 minutes ago, 007 RED said:

Because your friend entered the Kingdom on her Dutch passport, Thai immigration will treat her as a foreign national, regardless of the fact that she is a Thai national and also holds a Thai passport.  Therefore, if she surrenders to immigration and leaves Thailand on her Dutch passport she is going to be liable to a 20K Baht fine plus a one year ban.  If she stays another month the ban will be increased to 3 years.

Do you realize that a Thai cannot be banned from Thailand? And that even if Immigration tries, no judge would "treat her as foreigner", in a court?

Using a foreign passport does not make anyone lose his citizenship, status, and rights!

Note, is not difficult to go to court, these are the "judge review" cases that usually last few minutes when over-stayers are caught then sent to IDC. Immigration does not have the last word, only the Judge has. If you are interested I can point you to the section in the Immigration Act that deals with Thais entering Thailand illegally.

13 minutes ago, realenglish1 said:

 She can leave on her Thai passport and not use her other passport to enter Thailand again no need and yes she can enter the country of her foreign passport no problem

The thing is, her Thai passport has no entry stamp or record, and with the (same) name+DOB, the system itself or the IO can easily find that she entered with a foreign passport. So I agree that she has to do the passport swap ASAP, but I don't think anyone can guarantee that will happen without issues. My suggestion is to find a friendly contact at a border immigration, apologize for the mistake, etc. 

On 10/17/2017 at 12:16 AM, The Old Bull said:

In BC Canada you can take an interpreter along when you do the written part of your drivers licence.

Unbelievable!

Why? In California there are alternate languages form, and  I'm sure you appreciate you can take the test in English here.

The idea is that language barriers are not a deterrent to learn on road law's and be licensed.

1 minute ago, LolaS said:

my husband is Dutch, I am sorry, but I dont know how old is OP friend, but if it is same age as me, please be assure that Kingdom of Netherland DOESNT allow double citizenship...

 

also I dint understand why she didnt use one year rule for holders of thai card? it is better to pay 20000 or let Holland strip you off citizenship

False. I think you have not read the above, so I will post and link again from the official ducth gov.t website:

• If you are married to a Dutch national, you may keep your own nationality. The same applies in the case of a registered partnership.

https://www.government.nl/topics/dutch-nationality/dual-nationality

2 minutes ago, wavemanwww said:

Yes it matters as Chinese are without patience or manners.

In other words, the article mentions the nationality of the subject as it's normal for any piece of news, but Westerners on Thai Visa will add remarks on whatever lack of qualities other nationalities have. Which evidently comforts both writer and readers.

6 minutes ago, chrissables said:

I was arrested near the Cambodian border, then told to report to an officer in the big town 50 km away, when i arrived there with my lack of Vietnamese, and their English, i rang them, the wife of the owner talked to the police and i was told to be on my way.

Yes, I've read and much liked your trip report. Once I was myself entering VN by land, it was a mine/their mistake but I watched them going in circles for quite a while, LoL.

But you wrote that the bike was a pre-agreed buyback, not a rental? Doesn't make much difference anyway, a tourist probably can't own a bike or anything else in VN. 

4 minutes ago, chrissables said:

Having used them i found them very professional. I would, in fact i do intend to use them again.

Some people try to build businesses by cutting corners, Tigit's from my experience are building in a good and professional way.

I guess you never had a breakage when renting from them -  which with these bikes is unlikely anyway.

They will just need a little more education on what oil is and does in an engine.

Just now, sebastion said:

Face reality.
Police are only interested in the overstay.
He hasn't broke the law otherwise.

I have edited my posting above. You may want to do the same, end of arguing.

[edited - no more on that from me]

1 hour ago, keeniau96 said:

 K-bank (green) is nice,

Yesterday K-Bank in Pattaya Klang declined to open an account unless one has a work permit. In the past they had opened two for me withut issues.

5 minutes ago, chrissables said:

I'm not debating that, I'm explaining how Tigit's guarantee works. 

I would avoid that company simply because these are unreasonable conditions that seems to be made with the purpose of deflecting responsibility in case the engine (or anything else) breaks. I would not want be the one sitting there with a wad of oil change receipts in hand, and have them coming up with some other BS or excuse.  

9 minutes ago, sebastion said:

Apologetic?
I couldn't care less what happens to either of them.

You aren't? So find yourself better occupation rather than writing here.

And regarding Police's stance on this case, I told you already: go tell them in person about Thai law and their practices.

2 hours ago, nss70 said:

For now we were looking to get him either a tourist visa or a business visa on a fly for visa run.

In my opinion the most appropriate for a young Foreigner/Thai would be studying (Thai, or secondary education) and get the relevant visa / permission to stay.

Just now, UKJASE said:

Thanks Paz.......  the reason she mentions the dutch passport and keeping it "active" is that the dutch dont allow dual passports she thinks.

She's thinking too simply. Without any doubt she is Thai by birth, then acquired Dutch citizen by nationalization (marriage or residency).

In that case, The Netherlands cannot force her to renounce Thai Citizenship: 

In several situations you are not required to give up your original nationality.

• In some countries you automatically acquire the nationality of that country if you are born there. And it is up to every country to decide when their nationals lose their nationality. Greek and Iranian nationals, for example, cannot give up their nationality: it is not legally possible. In Morocco giving up your nationality is not accepted in practice.

https://www.government.nl/topics/dutch-nationality/dual-nationality

Then regarding your comment below. I meant her to show her Thai ID card and passport to any immigration office threatening to fine (or  Buddha forbids, arrest) for overstay according to the Immigration act, and make clear she will not pay. Becausethe entire act applies to foreigners only, but she is not. There is only one section in the Immigration act regarding Thai entering "illegally", I can point you to it if you want.

At the same time she can't go to any border post with Thai ID card and Passport, and expect that Immigration behaves according to her needs and situation. If there is red flag in the system it has to be sorted out with patience and reason.

Just now, UKJASE said:

Also Paz, your second response seems to contradict your first response......  You say all she need do is "flash her thai id card", but then in your second response you say "if the system has record of her previously leaving on Thai passport and not returning with it, there will be an incongruity and she will be back at square one. Ugly situation especially at the airport with (possibly) unfriendly officers and time ticking."

1 minute ago, sebastion said:

She willingly got in the bike.

It doesn't matter, driver is still responsible. That's such a basic principle, I'm sure it applies in your country too.

Stop being apologetic for the coward that's hiding now.

11 minutes ago, UKJASE said:

Thanks Mattd..... could she not then, simply leave thailand on her thai passport and enter europe on her dutch passport? (thus avoiding the 20k overstay fine)

She can try, but if the system has record of her previously leaving on Thai passport and not returning with it, there will be an incongruity and she will be back at square one. Ugly situation especially at the airport with (possibly) unfriendly officers and time ticking.

Have her bite the bullet if she wants, but whatever practice Immigration takes to punish rThais entering as foreigner is null and void, if she has the will of bring it to a judge (you have the right to have a judge actually decide on all overstay cases). All she has to do is flash her Thai ID card to anyone threatening. And her idea to "keep it active" is absurd, her Dutch citizenship cannot be taken away.

Finally, there is no check of  matching entry / exit stamps when travelling by air. You advice of using the same passport, etc is wrong.

3 hours ago, BritTim said:

While people generally do the conversion with the intention later of applying later for a one-year extension of their permission to stay, nothing in the process requires you to apply for any such extension.

I think that is just your view of how "it should be", but is not Immigration practice. So they process conversions only when there are the requisites for the applicable 1-year extension, like marriage, retirement, or (the most difficult to get) employment.

Just like ubonjoe has been explaining above and heaven knows how many times before.

5 hours ago, chrissables said:

As the rider you are responsible to to change the oil every 1,000 km, which is a pain,

Such a frequent change wasn't needed not even in the 30s. Honda recommends every 8,000 Km

https://www.manualslib.com/manual/616203/Honda-Pcx.html?page=99#manual

27 minutes ago, sebastion said:

The Russian man might have promised to pay but isn't legally bound by a promise.
This is a civil matter and the police don't have a right to hold his passport for the accident. For the overstay I am not a expert so I can't comment.
A promise isn't legally binding.

A promise is not, but causing injuries is. Try causing damage in Thailand, and then you will see if the Police will hold your passport or not. Maybe you can show them your own postings.