Dieselnoi

Positive or negative it really don't matter to me as long as it is true. I hate liars or people who make up stories to support an agenda.

I call a spade a spade and let the chips fall where they may.

Agree or disagree it is up to the individual.

Of course, but the problem is sometimes people call a spade before the card is even finished- it might well be a club or a heart but they already call a spade on it. There's a difference there you know.

wow, so many bitterness in this forum acting as though what the government doing is wrong….

What you are interpreting as 'bitterness' isn't that, it's just a resignation that they've seen this all before. Governments (and I use that term loosely) of whatever flavor of the day, have consistently demonstrated the same behavior, it never changes.

1. Set Up committee to evaluate problem xxxxxx

2. Set 3-6 month timetable to solve xxxxxx

3. Assume that offending problem xxxxxxx will be forgotten within 3-6 months

4. Failing that, ridicule the accusers, highlight even worse outrages by 3rd country

5. Go back to step 3

It's not bitterness, it's just a feeling of deja vu

No you are prejudice, because that's just your opinion. I can also point out many things that the government have done successfully.

Also, what you said above can be applied to every government around the world. I don't see how this singles out the 'Thai Government' as the only failure at completing projects.

people remember and comment on bad stuff that happens, good stuff ( or neutral ) does not get much comment

Yea, I also think that's the case. People tend to keep good comments to themselves but express the criticisms.

I know this post will either deleted or removed shortly…but after observing the forum this is the attitude of many people on here. For example:

Thais did something bad - Oh Thais are disgusting!
Thais did something good - Wow, why can't they think of that a long time ago- so stupid of them.
Foreigners did something bad and on Thai news - Shut up Thais, go worry about your own problems.

I have read a lot of Thaivisa News Forum and it seems it really doesn't matter what the Thais do, somehow they're in the wrong and get the criticsm- really (approximately) only 5% of the comments are actually encouraging, praises, or positive to the Thais.

I am just amazed at these things that I have observed. I guarantee when you open a news forum the first comment will either be

1. Complaint about the Thais
2. Cynism comment about the Thais
3. Sarcastic comment about the Thais

These are just things that I have observed.

I tend refer to it as 'Murder Island' or 'Rape-Murder Island'

Tell me a country, state, or province where rape and murder has never occurred??? Perhaps in your imagination

An advice to the Thais commenting on Facebook.

You should be more concerned and examine your culture and habits before being so upset about 2 naked people.

Look into the domestic violence, rape of minors, abandonment of children and families and other wrongdoings, happening daily in your country and then start worrying about this.

Hypocrisy, comes to my mind.

Do you think just because they comment on the wrong of this that they don't care about the things you mentioned?

Rather hypocritical a foreigner coming to live in Thailand, probably with no aspiration to get citizenship or even permanent residency, and tell the Thais what and what not to do.

500 killed in traffic during Songkran. No one gives a sh1t

Hundreds of women beaten up every day by drunk/drugged men. No one gives a sh1t

Children are sold into prostitution every day. No one gives a sh1t

Most corrupt police force in the world. No one gives a sh1t

As for your comment about residency and citizenship just shows how little you know about Thailand.

On your yearly 3 week holiday?

What do you mean no one give a shit??? The 8 rules of no drinking, inappropriate dressings during Songkran says that they give a shit. News reporting death etc. means that they give a shit.

You are ignorant.

Will someone wake him up.

from what? He encourages to make the country better- you think that is bad?

well, Thailand aims to be the best in a lot of things like: Best democracy of Asia, most reputable Taxi drivers of Asia, safest roads of Asia, best English speakers of Asia....... sure they can get the "safest Airline of Asia" status too...... no doubt they deserve it. Don't forget, Thai people live in a reality of their own

And it's bad because??? should they aim to be the worse then??

"Originally the land was being reserved for farmers by the Agricultural Land Reform Office but somehow a title deed was issued for a housing estate instead."

I am willing to help clarify the "somehow" part. "Somehow" covers an official at the land office, and he will be easy to identify, as his name is on the title deed.

If you think the paper really doesn't know what's going then you're the idiot...

Seems this government is doing something about problems.. never seen the previous one do anything like this. At least its progress.

The government is systematically taking away revenue from their political enemies.

All these crackdowns are hitting the Police and political opponents in the pocketbook.

Doing the right thing for the wrong reason. Very Thai approach.

Typical red response.. its political.

If they followed the rules then they would not be in these problems.

We could turn this around the previous government let the taxi drivers and police rip of anyone because they were on their side. I prefer a government that does the right thing over the wrong reasons (if what you say is true) then a government that does nothing and lets crimes go on because the criminals are on their side.

I was just pointing out the taxi mafia crackdown is political and is really targeting the police that run the show.

I'm happy to see the police and taxies suffer.

How much do the Police take in per month by leasing the street to these taxi scammers?

5 or 6 scamming taxies parked in front of every hotel, each paying 3,000Bt or so to the police.

There are 425 hotels listed in the Sukhumvit area.

That's 2,550 drivers paying 7,500,000Bt. per month to the police in the Sukhumvit area.

90 Million Baht per year going to the ThongLor/Lumpini Stations from the taxi mafia parked outside the hotels.

Dude, what you say may or may not be true- the government may or may not do it 'just for political reason' (BTW now that you pointed it out do you have an actual evidence? or it is just your thoughts?). If fighting crimes is considered an act against the previous government then the previous government must be really really bad- which makes this government even more legitimate.

Anyway, I agree with robblok. Better have a government that is doing something good than a government that is doing nothing.

Perhaps you prefer this government done nothing to law breakers.

wow, so many bitterness in this forum acting as though what the government doing is wrong….

It seems many out there want the murderer to be from a high ranking family...but maybe...jut maybe these guys are the real killers.

Maybe the police did keep somethings to themselves...

The Thais are the forum scapegoat. In their view the murderer cannot be anyone but the Thais.

Yes I said you ahve weak evidence- but how does that translate to 'Thai police never use scape goat'?

Also, I have read the news about taxi driver- he said he was kneed. Can you tell exactly how he was kneed? Could it be possible that he made it up? Do you have evidence that he was attacked?

Now I am not saying that this didn't happen- it may or it may not happen, but I won't just believe that it happened only because I am bias against the Thai police, or someone said so. Thai police have had many bad images, but have also done good things. So I will be in the middle and not come to conclusion without hearing comments from both sides or seeing evidences.

I cannot believe how many armchair detectives have worked so hard to disregard any "evidence" sic that the police may or may not gathered, I swear some people on TV would disbelieve their own name, OK the BiB are not known for their brilliance in deduction but the torrent of abuse from some of these posters is just beyond the pale, insulting the whole Thai Nation's IQ is just not acceptable IMHO, perhaps some people have an axe to grind but they really need to remember they are guests, albeit paying guests in the country which they have chosen to live in as expats so they should remember that they should show some respect for the nation, Not all police are corrupt & or stupid. I have no doubt that I will be vilified for these comments by those whose intelligence is as suspect as the ones they are insulting, there is an old adage that you don't insult the host. If you think that the country is so stupid and the police are universally corrupt why do you stay, is it to exploit those very people! Go back to being Hercule Poirot and solving crimes in your dreams and stop writing slanderous rubbish on TV.for example "this was a crime of anger and fury" was the commenter there to know this, Murder by its very nature is usually a crime of anger and fury but people who have made statements like this have absolutely no evidence to base this statement on, only from police statements and "news"paper reports so they seem to be second guessing the police, unless of course they were witnesses to the event, then they should give the police a statement to assist them in their inquiries, Speculation all of it, mostly second or third hand

exactly what evidence this they ever collect? Testing the entire island for DNA. waiting for someone to "confess"?? Thai police did jack %%%%. oh wait, this guy smokes the same cigarettes? YES! we have our man!

Do you know it took the Australian police eight years to catch the abductor and murderer of a child? and that happens in a broad day light and in mainlain Australia heavy traffic. This case happened at night time in an Island involving foreigners. Do you expect the case to be solved within a week?

Hello again Dieselnoi,

What's with the anti-Australian sentiment?

Yes it did take a long time for police to find Daniel Morcombe's killer but mainland Australia is a little bit bigger than Koh Tao. I can also tell you that the forensic squad didn't allow local bar managers to walk all over the crime scene and the police didn't post photos of the scene on Facebook when they arrived.

Anyhow, I'll help you out. Here's a better example because it happened on an Australian island with just over 2000 inhabitants. Took four years to get a conviction and it's still controversial: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janelle_Patton

I am living in Australia so I am quite familiar with news in Australia- hence why I use them as examples. My point is, to solve cases like this is very difficult, I use Australia as an example because even in what we considered a first world country- it still takes a long time to finally resolve the case. The Thai police is under extreme pressure to solve the case immediately, people says now it's been too long etc.

It is difficult in Koh Tao because there are many traffic of people coming in and out, many from different countries. Alot of foreigners (Burmese) are even here illegally (not registered), even some Westerners are working there illegally. So ofcourse it will be difficult to trace the murderer.

If this does not scream "Frame!" and "Patsy", I don't know. Dunno how many bones they have broken in that guy to make him sign this crap, but this is B S !

If anyone here has seen the uncensored crime scene photos (I unfortunately did), he/she knows that this was a hate crime.

If a rape is the plan, a culprit would knock the guy out and the girl, but not destroy their skulls completely and beyond recognition (as with poor Hannah).

If rape is the intitial motive, a rapist would not bash the victim's head into a mush (nothing there reminded of a person anymore, letting alone a girl), unless he is into necrophelia.

Something went completely wrong there from day one onwards and it makes me wanna scream!!!

Bashing David's and Hannahs heads into a bloody pulp was an act of hatred; of revenge. Someone lost his face (Thais tend to do that, not Burmese) and felt the need to show the white people who is in charge on that island.

I feel so sorry for the victims and their families that words can hardly describe it. What a shame this whole case has become, what an insult to the words justice and to the human race itself...

Do you even know what a hate crime is? Here's a definition -

hate crime

noun

noun: hate crime; plural noun: hate crimes

a crime motivated by racial, sexual, or other prejudice, typically one involving violence

I have seen the photos uncencored. It does look very brutal, but there is no evidence at all that this is a hate crime. Homicide or sexual crime can be as brutal as this, just because she is brutally murdered doesn't make it a hate crime.

I don't understand why you guys are so upset that it is the Burmese and not 'the Thais' that are being convicted here. I have had business in Koh Tao and I must say there are probably more Burmese workers than Thais there- the murderes and be anyone. I don't see why nationality has anything to do with it.

For those who will be arguing that the authority picked the Burmese becase they want to save Thailand's face and blame on foreigners. May I ask you why they even mentioned an involvment from a Thai person in this case? There was a case of rape this week in Phuket, and the authority publicly announced the rapist was Thai, the same went for the Train rapist.

Earlier this year a 19 year-old Thai murdered 3 kids in a foreigner's house his GF was supposely baby sat for- the Thai authority suspected a Thai criminal since the begining, and arrested him.

I completely don't understand why you WANT the criminals to be Thais - let's assume they arrest 3 Thai men for this case- Will that still make you coming out and scream 'scape goat'?

There are no evidence for your claim that these guys are scape goat- if you are in court your claim will make a very very weak case. Yes, Thai authority have bad images, but they have also made coreect arrests regarding to rape cases as well.

oh also, if any of you is an Australian commenting on how bad the Thais are or bad the country is- may I say '<deleted> OFF WE'RE FULL'....

Dear Dieselnoi,

Perhaps it's better you wait until your period is finished before posting next time.

Anyway, with regards to the Russian woman who was raped in Phuket this week, the police investigators did a sterling job of finding the Thai culprit. Oh, hold on, that right - the Russian woman wasn't murdered like these two on Koh Tao! In this case the victim was a live witness who could clearly identify the perpetrator. Me thinks there's a bit of a difference.

Thai police would never use a scapegoat. Yeah right! They couldn't buy the taxi driver to be a witness so it looks like they've approached the next person on their list.

Oh also, I'm an Australian and too bad for you - Immigration told me to come back as often as I wish. Sorry!

Please show where did I say 'Thai police never use a scapegoat'. This is your poorly comprehended conclusion. Please read comprehensively before replying to a post.

Also the person who claims these couple couldn't be having sex because they were never seen being together - can you please explain this photo why are they sitting at the same table? jsut because they didn't seem to be together in the CCTV doesnt mean they can't be together else where.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2776072/Taxi-driver-says-beaten-Thai-police-investigating-murder-two-British-backpackers-refused-accept-bribe-false-evidence.html

There is no evidence to support the theory the two victims had been engaging in or had engaged in sex.... nothing... .. no dna, no sperm, no link other than they were both found murdered near each other...

NO EVIDENCE of the Brit couple having sex..................Its pretty impossible to have sex without DNA being there...

So it makes this confession and witness pretty suspect when he says he was watching the victims having sex when theres no dna evidence that supports they were. GET IT ?

If a girl jacks of a guy will you be able to find DNA on there? or if a guy licks her? or perhaps the guy wasn't even hard yet and they were just on the arousing phase. Who knows, but the absence of DNA doesn't exclude the possibility they might be having sex.

I cannot believe how many armchair detectives have worked so hard to disregard any "evidence" sic that the police may or may not gathered, I swear some people on TV would disbelieve their own name, OK the BiB are not known for their brilliance in deduction but the torrent of abuse from some of these posters is just beyond the pale, insulting the whole Thai Nation's IQ is just not acceptable IMHO, perhaps some people have an axe to grind but they really need to remember they are guests, albeit paying guests in the country which they have chosen to live in as expats so they should remember that they should show some respect for the nation, Not all police are corrupt & or stupid. I have no doubt that I will be vilified for these comments by those whose intelligence is as suspect as the ones they are insulting, there is an old adage that you don't insult the host. If you think that the country is so stupid and the police are universally corrupt why do you stay, is it to exploit those very people! Go back to being Hercule Poirot and solving crimes in your dreams and stop writing slanderous rubbish on TV.for example "this was a crime of anger and fury" was the commenter there to know this, Murder by its very nature is usually a crime of anger and fury but people who have made statements like this have absolutely no evidence to base this statement on, only from police statements and "news"paper reports so they seem to be second guessing the police, unless of course they were witnesses to the event, then they should give the police a statement to assist them in their inquiries, Speculation all of it, mostly second or third hand

exactly what evidence this they ever collect? Testing the entire island for DNA. waiting for someone to "confess"?? Thai police did jack %%%%. oh wait, this guy smokes the same cigarettes? YES! we have our man!

Do you know it took the Australian police eight years to catch the abductor and murderer of a child? and that happens in a broad day light and in mainlain Australia heavy traffic. This case happened at night time in an Island involving foreigners. Do you expect the case to be solved within a week?

The fact that David was half dressed and had wounds to the back of his head fits the scenario that the Burmese saw him having sex with Hannah (or maybe: about to be having sex, hence no semen) and decided to take over. Then David was hit on the back of his head.

Possible, although the scapegoat scenario is also possible. But who knows with all the mass hysteria going on both on this forum and on Thai forums.

Thank you for another sensible response.

So much cynicism here. There are loads of unsolved murder cases in all of your home countries and I don't see any threads complaining about the UK "Keystone cops".

Natalie Holloway (sp?) the US student who was murdered many years ago and the police there and in the Netherlands don't have a clue.

The police in Koh Tao are investigating a crime, they went down the wrong path a couple times but they kept investigating and now they have someone in custody who confessed.

What kind of deal are they going to make to an innocent person who confesses to rape and multiple murder who will be executed if found guilty. How could they coerce someone to confess, what could they threat to do that's worse than a firing squad ? Unless the accused is a serial confessor to crimes he didn't commit, I'd tend to believe his confession.

Wait for the "DNT" (sic) tests and other forensic work to cone in before you posit your own complicated conspiracy theories, unless you don't mind being told "I told you so" by the other people here.

The ironic thing is all the arm chair detectives falling over themselves weaving theory after theory on mere scraps of second or third hand information, rumors and other baseless theories from other people disbelieving, complaining about the way the investigation has been carried.

Which has been a clusterf##k, but people living in glass houses shouldn't cast stones and all that.

Heaven's forbid people would wait for evidence before arriving to conclusions. Confirming the identity of the killers is as simple as having a third party run the DNA tests independently, and will, in all probability, be done in due time.

But no, already 10 pages of people deciding it's all a stitch up, if it would be up to these people they would have already lynched the first persons that looked suspicious and be done with it.

I like your educated opinion. Many of the people here forget that all the information they receive from this case are filtered and all they can do is make 'suggestion' through information from news media, not reliazing that news media can also be wrong and bias. I strongly believe that there are condifential info relating to the investigation that hasn't been release to protect the case. I think we have to wait and see, and not come to conclusion whether this is the real murderer or not too soon.

I though DNA testing showed that the two British people didn't have sex with each other. So how could this guy have seen what police say din't happen. Something doesn't add up.

Have you ever had sex? Sexual interaction doesn't always include intercourse, also it doesn't necessary means that they were penetrating.

Now correct me if I'm wrong- but I believe sperm may not even be presence yet even at the start of intercourse, let's say of the man hasn't yet produce lubricant or and secretion. That would make sperm staining very unlikely.

Presence of sperm should confirm that they are having 'sex', but the absence of it doesn't neccesarily mean that they aren't. They could be having oral, foreplay, getting naked etc.

I want the police to catch the real murder as much as all of you do, and I can see why you think that these Burmese guys could be a scape goat- but many opinions on here are extremely prejudice towards the Thais and have biased your opinion.

Also the person who claims these couple couldn't be having sex because they were never seen being together - can you please explain this photo why are they sitting at the same table? jsut because they didn't seem to be together in the CCTV doesnt mean they can't be together else where.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2776072/Taxi-driver-says-beaten-Thai-police-investigating-murder-two-British-backpackers-refused-accept-bribe-false-evidence.html

If this does not scream "Frame!" and "Patsy", I don't know. Dunno how many bones they have broken in that guy to make him sign this crap, but this is B S !

If anyone here has seen the uncensored crime scene photos (I unfortunately did), he/she knows that this was a hate crime.

If a rape is the plan, a culprit would knock the guy out and the girl, but not destroy their skulls completely and beyond recognition (as with poor Hannah).

If rape is the intitial motive, a rapist would not bash the victim's head into a mush (nothing there reminded of a person anymore, letting alone a girl), unless he is into necrophelia.

Something went completely wrong there from day one onwards and it makes me wanna scream!!!

Bashing David's and Hannahs heads into a bloody pulp was an act of hatred; of revenge. Someone lost his face (Thais tend to do that, not Burmese) and felt the need to show the white people who is in charge on that island.

I feel so sorry for the victims and their families that words can hardly describe it. What a shame this whole case has become, what an insult to the words justice and to the human race itself...

Do you even know what a hate crime is? Here's a definition -

a crime motivated by racial, sexual, or other prejudice, typically one involving violence

I have seen the photos uncencored. It does look very brutal, but there is no evidence at all that this is a hate crime. Homicide or sexual crime can be as brutal as this, just because she is brutally murdered doesn't make it a hate crime.

I don't understand why you guys are so upset that it is the Burmese and not 'the Thais' that are being convicted here. I have had business in Koh Tao and I must say there are probably more Burmese workers than Thais there- the murderes and be anyone. I don't see why nationality has anything to do with it.

For those who will be arguing that the authority picked the Burmese becase they want to save Thailand's face and blame on foreigners. May I ask you why they even mentioned an involvment from a Thai person in this case? There was a case of rape this week in Phuket, and the authority publicly announced the rapist was Thai, the same went for the Train rapist.

Earlier this year a 19 year-old Thai murdered 3 kids in a foreigner's house his GF was supposely baby sat for- the Thai authority suspected a Thai criminal since the begining, and arrested him.

I completely don't understand why you WANT the criminals to be Thais - let's assume they arrest 3 Thai men for this case- Will that still make you coming out and scream 'scape goat'?

There are no evidence for your claim that these guys are scape goat- if you are in court your claim will make a very very weak case. Yes, Thai authority have bad images, but they have also made coreect arrests regarding to rape cases as well.

oh also, if any of you is an Australian commenting on how bad the Thais are or bad the country is- may I say '&lt;deleted&gt; OFF WE'RE FULL'....

I have always been interested in the relationsips between the Thai boys in the South of Thailand and young European women tourists. Particulary because this type of relationship is very rare to see in other parts of the world.

I visited Phi Phi two years ago and it surprises me greatly on the ratio of this interracial couples- my estimation is almost 90% of couples with male being Thai have Foreigner as their partner. It is a great thing to see, because it shows the lack of racism or racial seggeration from both parties. But what I am very curious about is, how they met, are they only casual relationship, or is it a 'trend' in places like Phi Phi or different Kohs to have Thai boyfriend? Are there a lot of travel flings, or casual relationship where females are sex tourists?

I have met 18 or 19 or so European girl who said she came to Thailand yearly to see her boyfriend here. This will sound very degrading, which I actually ahve no intention, but what that they have to offer which makes a lot of European women go chasing?