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So, my nemesis is unblocking me when I block his PMs and now deleting my posts too.

IS there a female Mod in this room?

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Nat

Ok ok ... I'll turn the volume down and reduce that annoying echo.

To the OP, are you committed enough for you and your partner to return to the Thailand and adopt your niece officially in Thailand and then return back to the UK.

Given the advice above ... it maybe the only way possible.

I presume that you return/visit back to Thailand on a regular basis?

Are we committed enough to give up our lives/jobs/family in the UK and return to Thailand for potentially years? Yes, if needs be - she is a little life and needs help. Do we want to? No, of course not. The hope is that it is avoidable and this will not become visible until the situation is assessed from a legal stance point.

Your presumption is correct, where are you taking this?

Oh and about the versys, what would one a year or maximum two old cost? He's very tight and will probably moan a bit about the 'drive off forecourt' cost I think its called in Thailand when the value drops 10% when you take it away from the dealer....

Thank you so much.

Any other suggestions, Biker chaps?

And you obviously have no idea about the UK legal system and immigration law as it pertains to children and adoption.

Clearly, hence my quetions above.

What I think you need to do, is first officially adopt the child in Thailand, then legally your niece becomes your assumed daughter. Sorry, but there is no way that you can avoid dealing with the Thai authorities in this case. During the adoption process, the child`s parent’s or some authority may be required to make a sworn statement as to the reasons why they the parent`s are not capable of caring for the child anymore and why they believe it is in the child’s best interests to be brought up by you. I would avoid mentioning any financial problems the parent`s may have as a reason for giving the child up. Otherwise the British authorities will view the application as another economic refugee wanting to settle into the UK from a third world country.

You would require copies of these statements certified by a lawyer and probably require certifying from the Thai foreign affairs office and the British Embassy in Bangkok.This would prove that you have the child’s parent’s approval with good reasons for you to become her full legal guardian. Of course whatever statements the parent`s make, will need to be backed up by an expert report, such as a doctor in the case of a parent suffering from health, mental or drug related problems.

After that process, then you can apply to the FCO for the child to be brought over to the UK as your daughter, either from the British embassy in Bangkok or via the Home Office at Croydon in London.

May I ask, what is your age, are you married to a British national, do you have any children of your own, do you have adequate accommodation for you and the child, are you working full time in the UK, do you earn enough to be able to support yourself and the child and not claiming or intend to claim any benefits? These are the same questions the British authorities will ask. Any of these can affect the decision of the Home office whether or not to allow the child to settle in the UK.

Another very good post, thank you.

There are drug issues, my sister is a confirmed cocaine addict. I am 42 I am married to a British national for over 20 years and I do not have children. I own property in the UK as does my husband. I own much land and property in Thailand. We are financially secure as a marriage and I am in my own right.

Thank you

Due to it being a family adoption, you will need to prove to the UK authorities that the child is in danger of, or has been subjected to, some form of abuse or neglect. This will need to be in the form of official reports from the police and social services etc. You will also need to prove that there is no other relative in Thailand capable of caring for the child.

Without all these in place, your chances are as good as zero in the first instance of application, but you do stand a better chance on appeal. The appeal will be heard by an immigration judge, and they are more likely to be lenient if you present a compelling case.

All the above info I know to be correct, as it was advised by a specialist intercountry adoption lawyer based in London.

The rules are there in place to stop adoptions of children by family members purely on economic grounds i.e. to give them a better life and future. It is harsh and unfair in many ways, but the rules are there for a reason.

Without wanting to sound too pessimistic, as I do sympathise with your situation, I don't think you've got much of a chance unless you can meet the criteria as I outlined in my first paragraph.

In regards to you doing the adoption in Thailand first, as you are married to a foreigner, they would also need to adopt the child, and to do that they need to show they are living in Thailand and need to produce a valid non-immigrant O or B visa, and in the case of a B visa, a valid work permit. They will also need to sign an affidavit testifying that it is not their intention to remove the child from Thailand.

I am happy to stand corrected on my next point, but I think you may then find that the Thai adoption is not accepted by the UK authorities as Thailand hasn't ratified the Hague convention on overseas adoptions.

All that said, good luck to you

Excellent post, thank you for taking the time. (minus the rice paddy hat)

I have, today, retained the services of a well regarded family lawyer.

This is a very embarassing situation as my family is Thailand is particularly afluent yeh none wish to adopt or even take care of the child given the father. My sister is wayward and has been disowned by family. The child is now with a family friend (my friend)

You may not want to deal with Thai lawyers or the Thai authorities, one wonders why not,

7by7 I assume one has never lived in Thailand and are thus unaware of how public bodies in Thailand operate. I would also assume you are not fluent in Thai too to fully understand and grasp the nuances of the culture and havent had much contact with the archaic Thai legal system, otherwise, you would not write such a nieve question.

@ 7by7

Just for my own interest, of those 20 marriages how many are Thai man / Farang woman? How many, see an age difference of more than 10 years between the partners?

All are Thai woman and British man, except for one which isn't actually a marriage but a civil partnership between a Thai man and a British man.

I believe the largest age gap is that between my wife and myself; 7 years.

Would you say this is unusual?

How many of those20 British / British are of such an age gap and how many were formed via perhaps the internet / marriage agencies or in tourist hotspots in the UK?

I didn't specify how many British/British couples i was talking about or know.

I know you didn't.

I can't really say how most of the couples we know met, Thai/British or British/British; not my business unless they want to tell me; don't see the relevance anyway.

Do you not know them very well or do you avoid asking? I know how all my friends met

I do not think it is right that you judge the OP and I say this as an educated Thai. Many people do not trust their partners

Not judging; advising. He doesn't trust his girlfriend so, in my opinion, he should not marry her until and unless he does.

Sounds like judging to me.

I believe that trust is one of the foundations of a solid marriage. That without trust the marriage will fail; no matter how well educated you are.

So do I, completely.

I am sorry for both you and your spouse if you do not trust each other.

I am also sorry for your wife if she does not trust you.

This gentleman (Transam) proves the point, he appear to have witnessed poor behaviour by wayward Thai.

Transam has witnessed poor behaviour by wayward Thais; as I said before I have witnessed equally poor, or worse, behaviour toward their Thai spouse by British men. But I don't stereotype.

Stereotypes, whether you do not do it yourself, unfortunely, do exist. I am sure you have met many Thai women married to farang who you and your wife suspsect of being ex sex workers. In many cases the stereotype is real. My best friend works at the Thai embassy in a senior role, she is a careea diplomat. According to her, she susgest 75% of Thai women married to farang are either much younger, met through agencies or are ex sex workers . She does not suggest there is no love involved however, she argues that many marriages were forged on economic advantage and escapism from sex trade / broken Thai/Thai marriages. She is a published academic and lectures at Chula and is also heavily involved in the Pavena Honsakul charity.

Back to topic

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Its very good I am told with 4 frinds studying BA and MAs there.

I can say that cos l have witnessed what he fears.

This gentleman proves the point, he appear to have witnessed poor behaviour by wayward Thai.

Nothing wrong in asking questions; that is what this forum is for.

But you have missed my point; by miles!

I'll try and make it easy for you:

• He doesn't trust Thai women in general
  
• He doesn't trust his girlfriend in particular
  
• Therefore he is not ready for marriage.
  

I have seen, as listed above, three Thai/British marriages break down; two due to the British husband's actions.

I have seen, percentage wise, far more British/British marriages break down.

Are you comparing apples and oranges. How many of those20 Biritsh / British are of such an age gap and how many were formed via perhaps the internet / marriage agencies or in tourist hotspots in the UK?

I do not think it is right that you judge the OP and I say this as an educated Thai. Many people do not trust their partners, maybe he was burnt by a Thai bar girl, maybe burnt by a wayward British wife. Perhaps he met his wife in a bar, many farang do. He is asking questions not seeking your approval.

But if you suspect that your new wife has only married you to get into the UK and will do a runner as soon as she can; why the hell did you marry her in the first place?

Perhaps his head is screwed on for asking the question, cos many have fallen, eh. .

Of the 20+ Thai/British couples we know in the UK, three marriages have broken down.

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Just for my own interest, of those 20 marriages how many are Thai man / Farang woman? How many, see an age difference of more than 10 years between the partners?

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Not got a year, I've got a month

Are there any newer Steeds I wanto something very nice with low mileages.

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Nat

thanks both of you

How about the Kawasaki D Tracker? I think its too small. Is there anything like that but higher with a bigger engine?

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The point with Steed is they are plentiful with lots of cheap spare parts,

and the point with 600 instead of 400 is a fair bit more power,

yet the spare parts are the same.

Also makes no sense to buy a new bike if he havn't been riding for a couple of years and found his call.

I know i will drive no more than a couple of km per week, on an average.

Still i dont regret i bought it, at least i tried it.

I am not saying its a bad bike on the contrary its great for thailand. We tv regulars on the bike forum all know the possibe problems with buying a used bike in thailand. Personally i prefer used because of the depreciation . On the other hand if she buys one with book issues, engine issues, brake issue or dated tires etcetc! it might not make a great present.

I guess her budget and some previous bikes the husband has owned would help.

Budget is not really an issue but just dont want to waste money (ie milllion on harley for him to ride for a few days a year). Dont want something he will need to spend time fixing as its for fun not a chore. And he has previously ridden BMW off road type, as used in the Dhaka ralley. He also likes choppers. And he rode around India on a Transam? It likes like a big tall off road bike (im not really knowledgable as you can see).

I just know he hates sports bikes as they give him back and ball ache.

I only wish I could find a girl who wanted to buy me a motorbike!

Im a wife not a girlfriend and we have been married 23 years .

Ok, i'm 195 cm and can tell right away you should avoid the crotch rockets

previously mentioned.

I suggest a Honda Steed 600.

It's a chopper type of bike, head up & arse down, Steed are plentiful in Thailand,

a Steed 600 in good condition can be bought for 130.000 baht

Hi Paonoi

IS the Vrsys a pocket rocket? (funny word combintation!)

I think it looks like a hugh bike like the ones on the Bangladesh Dhaka ralley?

He'd like a Steed but all the ones I see advertised are so old and well used

Kawasaki is still the best option for over 600cc bikes, as they are made here and not taxed. Parts are available locally and service is "good" relatively speaking. The Ninja 650 is a faired sport touring bike, ER6n is a naked sport touring bike, and Versys is an adventure touring bike.Each are similarly designed. All are around 280k baht. The Ducati Monster 795 is also made locally now (It's a lower spec, shorter Asian version of the 796) will probably be to small for someone 1.95m. 399k baht. If you are going to make a bike purchase like this, I would make sure you know what kind of bike he likes. If he is a chopper guy, he might not want any of those. The Honda CB400 you will find old ones for 50-70k. They are a hassle to keep running. Not recommended.

Thanks Nomadjoe. Actually he likes Harley's but I am not spending a million baht on a bike he will use only a couple of times a year. THe Versys looks good and looks like the highest seat. Will forget the Ducati. Thanks

I am a Thai national and I live in the UK. My father was killed in Thailand by a drunk driver in charge of a motorcycle. It is beyond my understanding why people drink and drive. This lead to a terrible situation where the killer got away, was caught later and not charged with drink driving. My cousin (who was brought up in life by my father) bought a gun and killed the drinker. He was imprisoned and served 7 long years. He was a professional Petroleum Engineer with a foreign masters degree in Geology with Halliburton Thailand.

You must understand the gun crime in Thailand it is not as you think as the Land of Smiles in such situations.

This, despite my other Uncle being at the time a Police General in the South of Thailand. My father advises all of my foreign friends visiting Thailand (especially the south) that if they injure someone, do not stop go directly to the police station to ensure personal safety.

The law, you may think, is commerical every time. This is not the case. This story was exposed to much press cover and the law was firm and non negotiable.

You may kill someone which will destroy your soul or you may be killed by revengful family after the accident.

Thailand in every town village and city has transportation, use it.

Hello Room

So, Thai visa has a THai back section too, very good!

Does anyone know which big bikes are manufactured and sold new in Thailand now? Before we had none, I think. I am interested in buying my husband one for his 45th suprise birthday. One that he can keep and use when we are in Thailand.

Can some advise what is available locally? And also, what do you suggest for a big man he is 1m95cm. He doesn't like racing bikes more sit up version or motorcross/on road mixes like the Duaccatti Monsters and Honda 400 weeba.

Thank you

Nat

Thank you for the input, I will contact the council and do so.

I will ask the HSBC for a credit card, I have a visa debit only though I see no problem in being given one. Do you suggest putting my weekly spend on it? And, any thoughts on a small short term loan also to improve the history at a higher level?

Thank you