Hugo6

kick a man when he s down

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in the ground

good job & carry on...

Well hugo you might like to remember this advice yourself.

you wanna tell me i beat up on people who r dead - show me

no but right at the start, eh?

you got this cute li'l confused icon up there for some reason? like not understanding how it might be possible to offer amnesty to the Thai people who protested against military imposed governments but not give amnesty to the same governments when they abused the rights of or just plain killed those same citizens.

doesnt sound too hard to understand to me.

Right. So amnesty for those charged for protesting from September 19 2006 to the elections in December 2007.

Not sure why they're talking about going up until 2011 then.

in my newly acquired (mellowed) post-posting-prison mindset, i find you to be replying in a purposefully obtuse manner and have no desire to continue to reply

Big thanks to Hugo6 for pointing out that the amnesty bill which absolves protesters of any flavour in the period September 19 2006 actually seems to start with the day of the September 19th 2006 coup. What a coincidence!

As for governments abusing rights and killing people, one might have expected the period to start a bit before 2006, but never mind. At least the period still gives us three governments left to accuse of crimes against Thai citizens and not being able to protect them from grenade lobbing terrorists. Even under the PM Somchai non-red-shirts frequently were at risk, like that night when some were having fun at the airport and in panic moved in when a few grenades dropped on them.

BTW an amnesty would mean PAD leaders will be absolved? Now that can't be right. What does Ms. Thida have to say about that?

i guess you dont know that there are other amnesty bills that start as early as 2005

now you do

oh yeah, that includes the pad too

more news for ya

You really are naive Buchholz if you think governments are truly impartial, yet you appear to expect this in Thailand, you appear to think this trend of exterior influence that has abounded for tens of years in Thailand will suddenly come to an abrupt halt under the Yingluck regime I admire your optimism......dream on

Another fantastic leap of a reply considering what I posted.

I certainly don't expect this government to be impartial. It's the nonsense of trying to feign impartiality by attaching the "independent" term to a one-sided commission appointed by the government and headed by a Thaksin associate. Impartiality is impossible under those conditions but it doesn't stop them from the absurdity and balderdash being heightened when they issue wholly disingenuous statements like:

NRLC Chairman Ukrit Mongkol-navin yesterday issued a statement saying that the six-Article bill aims to bring peace and unity back to the deeply divided Thai society.

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regarding impartial independent commissions, i agree with you on at least that point.

the TRC was equally independent and impartial

So they get a bonus for doing their job. Isn't that what a salary is for? Why not give it back to the customers who's money it is anyway? Lower charges or give better interest. Better still give interest to foreigners that deposit money.

"bonuses" like these are essentially profit sharing and yeah, part of their salary.

and profits and earnings are no longer the customers money - just for the record.

kick a man when he s down

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in the ground

good job & carry on...

However, the amnesty does not appear to include those who launched the rallies, were pulling the strings behind the scenes or those who enforced law to maintain peace.

Give amnesty to those who broke the law but not to those who enforced the law.

under the military junta.

why the confusion?

You are the one that seems to be confused if you think that they are only talking about events "under the military junta".

Last I checked, the military junta weren't in power from "September 19, 2006 to May 10, 2011".

no but right at the start, eh?

you got this cute li'l confused icon up there for some reason? like not understanding how it might be possible to offer amnesty to the Thai people who protested against military imposed governments but not give amnesty to the same governments when they abused the rights of or just plain killed those same citizens.

doesnt sound too hard to understand to me.

>>A meeting of a bilateral committee is scheduled for February 28 to discuss a joint landmine-clearing operation and troop deployments<<

this is the >>snip!<< most important. get the land mines the heck outta there

The Democrats are not the "yellow shirt movement" and if you think that the Red's were conducting a peace full demo following the rules of Thai law then you are extremely misguided.

sent from my Q6

and the ptp are not the red shirt movement

and if you think snipers for crowd control or starting a 6 day assault in the heart of bangkok is upholding the law then you are extremely misguided.

PTP are not the Red Shirt movement, no, the Red Shirts are Thaksin's political pressure group, they support amd campaign for PTP invariably and have several leaders as party list PTP MPs, none of which can be said of the Yellow Shirts and the Democratic Party.

Snipers were not used for crowd control, stop making false statements.

not that the democrats are a electable as the ptp or the pad as popular as the udd but you wanna tell me that there were no pad members in the democratic party?

However, the amnesty does not appear to include those who launched the rallies, were pulling the strings behind the scenes or those who enforced law to maintain peace.

Give amnesty to those who broke the law but not to those who enforced the law.

under the military junta.

why the confusion?

Ridiculous story.

I have a feeling that the hike in rates will more than cover the increase in salaries. The 300 baht is for MINIMUM wage employees. If the management want to hike for everyone, one would have to conclude they were underpaying everyone before.

dude, I agree.

they also talked about the 15,000 for university graduates and not just the minimum wage.

on the other hand a quick reality check on their math shows that 800,000,000B extra wages spent on 5,000 employees (the higher of their range of affected employees) divided by 12 months leads to 800,000,000B/5000E/12M = 13,333B/month additional wage increase for each employee (average, of course).

So they paid every minimum wage and university grad an average of +13,333 more every month. Really?

Could it just be bad journalism?

My dear chap, for someone who talks in terms of 'as the rest of us know' you seem to be somewhat ignorant. Now please pay attention, I will explain this only once.

The topic is on 'first-car scheme' hitting buying power in 'low-priced-home-segment'. The government had in it's policy statement read out by PM Yingluck August 2011 a few policies to be implemented the first year. To be specific

"1.8.4 Introduce tax measures to reduce the general public’s burden of purchasing such essentials as the first house and car."

Now we have a KBank executive saying the 'first'car sales' bites into the 'low-priced-home sales' and you telling us 'all the rest of us know all Thai have homes'. Therefor my remarks.

All clear now, I hope. On the same level as all the rest of us

this may seem a bit difficult for you to undesrtand but this article is talking about the governments first time car purchase policy not about a first time house buying policy.

only the nation is trying to puke on a populist policy by finding someine who claims that people who buy cars cant afford houses. a rather obvious point by the way.

there is nothing ignorant about my post and you are allowed to apologize any time

all clear now, i hope. on the same level as all the rest of us. my dear chap.

Read again, dear chap. The topic is on 'first-car scheme may hit buying power in low-priced-home segment'. Both were aimed at and covered by the government policy which mentions 'essentials as home and car' in a single item 1.8.4.

BTW if this topic were really about 'first-car scheme' only, your initial remark 'all of us know all Thai have houses already' would be totally off topic as well

dear chap - i read perfectly well... this is attacking one government policy and only one governement policy - it is about the 1st time car buyer program.

the article doesn't mention anything about the home buying program, does it? no it doesn't. Only you do that.

And to be clear, this is just the nation stooping as low a possible to try to denigrate what has been a successful policy - in spite of the smoke screen you are putting up here.

and out here in the countryside there is not a single thai person without a home. thank you extended family. great system.

and out here in the countryside, just for the record, the first time car buyer program doesnt seem to have slowed down the home building process - just based on observation and the happy smiles at the local home building supply shops.

the article is just sour grapes from the nation - not a surprise.

So if less than 50% of people turn out in favour of the CA then what is the democratic statement of the people? It would seem in that scenario that more than 50% say no to CA, so how can further CA be 'intended for the people'? Which people? Thaksin, Jatuporn and a few others perhaps?

Amazing Thailand.

Sorry thats just democracy and the result of the dems and pad throwing the toys out of the pram.

1. It is written in the constitution that if less than 50% of the electorate turn out for the referendum it is null and void.

2. As a result of the dems and pad frivilously invoking Article 68 in an attempt (successful, up to a point) to stop the 3rd reading of the constitution amendment bill to form a CDA to rewrite the constitution, the Constitutional Court came up with two rulings

one) that if the PTP wanted to form a CDA and ammend the constitution that way they would have to have a referendum first (seemingly ignoring the fact that the military junta did not hold a referendum before their rewriting of the 1997 Constitution or

two) change the constitution piece by piece in parliament.

You tell me that if not enough people turn out to vote on the referendum and the Government decides to ammend the constitution piece by piece in Parliament that it is not democratic.

How so? The Dems, PAD and the CC are all responsible for that situation.

muttley I do not think you are in any way a stuipd person so don't read this into my post. Surely to goodness you can see through the facade of this. The reason for the supposed charter rewrite is to bring Khun T home free and clear of all his conviction and outstanding charges. I think you will not admit to knowing this but I am sure you realize it.

Tell me how? How are they going to do it? They would have to amend the laws/method (albeit made up by the military Junta) to retroactively pardon or retry (with a different "happy" ending) the Land transfer case and drop all others . Or retroactively drop all cases - to do that they would have to give him an amnesty - to do that they would have to ammend Section 309 of the Constitution - that would lead to the loss of amnesty of the coup officers and what do you think will happen then? There is only one way Thaksin will be coming to Thailand and it won't be as a result of an constitutional ammendment.

Think about it, before the dems and pad stuck their oar in the government was going ahead with a perfectly legitimate democratic method of writing a new constitution with representatives from all provinces etc. How were they going to be forced to change Section 309 for one man? Its typical dems hysterical rhetoric. They are so desperate to be back in power. Whatever it takes, as they know they cannot do it by normal electoral means.

hit it on the head.

there s no change to the charter that will bring back big t.

might help, but can t do it alone with the constitution

so maybe they just want one that is more democratic

that is a good reason for the cc to get a bit nervous

Stop Trolling.

Since when is stating the truth trolling?

Since it conflicted with his version of the truth.

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or maybe just because its not true and it is just trolling

much like earlier today

Trolling can be defined as the act of purposefully antagonizing other people on the internet by posting controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

My dear chap, you do need to do a bit of explaining here. Assuming that indeed all Thais already have a home, why would the government feel a need to have this 'policy to be implemented the first year' ? Did they err? Did they still have a few billion Baht they didn't know what to do with? Mistake, should be 'second home policy'?

what are you talking about?

My dear chap, for someone who talks in terms of 'as the rest of us know' you seem to be somewhat ignorant. Now please pay attention, I will explain this only once.

The topic is on 'first-car scheme' hitting buying power in 'low-priced-home-segment'. The government had in it's policy statement read out by PM Yingluck August 2011 a few policies to be implemented the first year. To be specific

"1.8.4 Introduce tax measures to reduce the general public’s burden of purchasing such essentials as the first house and car."

Now we have a KBank executive saying the 'first'car sales' bites into the 'low-priced-home sales' and you telling us 'all the rest of us know all Thai have homes'. Therefor my remarks.

All clear now, I hope. On the same level as all the rest of us

this may seem a bit difficult for you to undesrtand but this article is talking about the governments first time car purchase policy not about a first time house buying policy.

only the nation is trying to puke on a populist policy by finding someine who claims that people who buy cars cant afford houses. a rather obvious point by the way.

there is nothing ignorant about my post and you are allowed to apologize any time

all clear now, i hope. on the same level as all the rest of us. my dear chap.

Sales volumes in this price range are expected to drop by 5-10 per cent because people whose monthly income does no exceed Bt20,000 and now are saddled with car payments are unable to buy homes, according to a Kasikornbank executive.

sometimes the nation can't stoop low enough to slam this government's policies.

And they should know what the rest of us know - all Thais already have a home... even those with incomes below 20,000/month. On the other hand, the motorbikes are a bit chilly in the cold season, so let em spend their cash on a car.

My dear chap, you do need to do a bit of explaining here. Assuming that indeed all Thais already have a home, why would the government feel a need to have this 'policy to be implemented the first year' ? Did they err? Did they still have a few billion Baht they didn't know what to do with? Mistake, should be 'second home policy'?

what are you talking about?

so i m losing track of the investigations - which day was this killing?

was it from may 15th

Nice little Thai bashing thread and good that the predictable untruth about the PM is still alive., thank you dolly.

Well done you other chaps.........

It seems from the perspective of TVF there are no successful international Thai companies and ineptitude, nepotism, cronyism and outright incompetence are the 100% norm.

Keep it up, pip pip.

Somewhat naughty, my dear Phil. The truth/untruth about our PM having top jobs in her family owned companies was removed by mods. A bit off topic you know

As for Thai managers, well with 51/49 ownership, connections/relations all important, 'do you know who I am' mentality, life back in Europe seems almost pastural instead

what's this then?

Nice little Thai bashing thread and good that the predictable untruth about the PM is still alive., thank you dolly.

Well done you other chaps.........

It seems from the perspective of TVF there are no successful international Thai companies and ineptitude, nepotism, cronyism and outright incompetence are the 100% norm.

Keep it up, pip pip.

dude, it has brought out the worse in posters... i was surprised when it turned to thai university bashing though.

look, the lady is pushing her consulting firm and managed to make news for the nation and post.

although you woulda thought the nation could have gotten her gender right... wonder who's the nation's management ...

UFPTP?

Now there's a mouthful....

it's the sound my father in law makes when spitting

Sales volumes in this price range are expected to drop by 5-10 per cent because people whose monthly income does no exceed Bt20,000 and now are saddled with car payments are unable to buy homes, according to a Kasikornbank executive.

sometimes the nation can't stoop low enough to slam this government's policies.

And they should know what the rest of us know - all Thais already have a home... even those with incomes below 20,000/month. On the other hand, the motorbikes are a bit chilly in the cold season, so let em spend their cash on a car.

integrity and acknowledgement of the events as they actually happened is important and it is rarely displayed here - unfortunately. when the death of a 14 year old is finally determined to be the result of the army and a bunch of posters deride the boy, his non-existent parents, or in some other way express how he shouldnt have been in the line of fire in the first place, that is not acknowledging the reality of the war which the government waged for 6 days in may 2010 and if the government (of the day) is going to finally answer for that assault on the people of thailand - that unbelievable overblown use of military force by an unelected government deperate to cling to its undeserved power - then i say 'good, its about time'.

the boy was killed by the army. that has now been determined by the courts in thailand. its a tragedy that should never have happened

The tragedy should never have happened, but to lay the blame on the army and the elected government of the day ignores the fact that the protesters were armed with guns and grenades.

you will never stop apologizing for the government, the army and the results of their decisions.

the government and the army ARE responsible for what THEY do.

and in this case, it caused the deaths of many many people and among them, this 14 year old boy

the reference is hardly tenuous, there are many many many similar references

and therefore the conclusion is hardly arbitrary

but yours was. If 1000 is a decent sample size to measure 200 million then 1200 is not too small, is it.

the only position to take to invalidate the poll would be that the polling company did not use a random sample.

sigh. I said something about arbitrary and tenuous before, denied, rinsed then repeated.

You draw the conclusions you want. I'll take it all with 1kg of salt.

if you dont understand how polls work, then fine

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credibility in the eyes of the posters around here ?

i m not terribly worried my "good man"

integrity and acknowledgement of the events as they actually happened is important and it is rarely displayed here - unfortunately. when the death of a 14 year old is finally determined to be the result of the army and a bunch of posters deride the boy, his non-existent parents, or in some other way express how he shouldnt have been in the line of fire in the first place, that is not acknowledging the reality of the war which the government waged for 6 days in may 2010 and if the government (of the day) is going to finally answer for that assault on the people of thailand - that unbelievable overblown use of military force by an unelected government deperate to cling to its undeserved power - then i say 'good, its about time'.

the boy was killed by the army. that has now been determined by the courts in thailand. its a tragedy that should never have happened