bthai2012

I am not suggesting anything. I know. My question to you is the same. Have you ever met and talked with a Thai prostitute?

of course you're trying to suggest something, it's as clear as day that those with a problem with my opinion are likely bar owners, friends or customers..so which are you?

you're suggesting that a bar girl earning the same as a dr makes her role ok..that's you attempting to justify it or perhaps you enjoy playing devils advocate

yes i've spoken with prostitutes and have visited thailand off an on for about 10 years now, i have experience in the country and with thai families from different financial backgrounds...feel free to play your next card

I have known bar girls who make as much as doctors and bar girls who make less than a noodle seller. 9 out of 10 never meet a Farang. I know about a thousand bar girls. I have never met one who was forced to do anything. It is a business and lifestyle choice. Recently drugs have been more and more involved in that choice. I am not god nor do I judge people as you do so easily. Most of the things you describe don't exist except in novels. Bar girls are bar girls because they want quick money and not too much work and it has been like that for hundreds of years in Thailand.

i call a spade a spade, i dont pretend to be a god or some open minded hippy, i'm open minded in general but many like yourself ask for people not to judge as you don't want to be judged for your own illicit behaviour

from your extensive knowledge of 1000's of bargirls then you'd have learned that many are stuck in a rut, they are the children of poor uneducated individuals that are then left to provide for their family, be that in money, food, education for brother or sister or child(to attempt to give an opportunity that they didnt have) or putting a roof over their head..but guys like yourself are just helping them to take care of mama eh?

they are forced into prostituting themselves to provide for their family, as they have been brought up poor they are likely lacking in education and therefore have very few options, then you have the old dirt bag that goes to the "farms" to recruit these innocent girls that are there to exploited.

the thai ratbags that go and recruit them..do you think they are doing that for the families or the girls benefit or because they are paid by a thai or scumbag westerner to bring girls into the scene

these bar girls earning the same as doctors..is that year in year out for 30+ years? or are you talking about a year or 2 where the girl has to become someone very different from the innocent child that they grew up as ..and what risks do they face to earn that money? the same as a well educated doctor?

you have a very simplistic view of the industry perhaps that eases your own conscience ..perhaps you don't have one

I am not suggesting anything. I know. My question to you is the same. Have you ever met and talked with a Thai prostitute?

of course you're trying to suggest something, it's as clear as day that those with a problem with my opinion are likely bar owners, friends or customers..so which are you?

you're suggesting that a bar girl earning the same as a dr makes her role ok..that's you attempting to justify it or perhaps you enjoy playing devils advocate

yes i've spoken with prostitutes and have visited thailand off an on for about 10 years now, i have experience in the country and with thai families from different financial backgrounds...feel free to play your next card

You certainly seem to know a lot about bar girls in Thailand. Have you ever met one in real life? Do you have any bar girl friends that you can talk to about such personal stuff?

im not the one suggesting they earn the same as doctors am i?

im sorry if my opinion has you on the defensive but if you are low class then you're low class...keep fishing for a reaction on the forum though

Good point.

But if westerners are in the game(like you mentioned here) they have to allow themselves to be exploited by the system.

So i ask more? Is their(farang owner) pimping more bad? It is still pimping and it think IMHO evil remains trivial. And we as farang are not to judge. More strongly we have not the insight and capability to judge between pimp or saint.

i think their pimping is worse they are exploiting people in a poor country and taking advantage/embracing corruption so that they can profit, these people have no morals yet some market themselves as good people...would they be pimps in their own country..probably not but more than likely they'd still be losers..low class scum

Yet perhaps you, and if not you...millions of people use the services of said pimp, but do not complain at the time they are getting their rocks off.

well i don't use their service and the fact that many people without a care for others can take advantage of a sad situation doesn't excuse it..do you think these millions of people are paying for sex in their own country? many will but you'll find just as many are ashamed to do it in their own country or they feel that because they are on holiday and its what happens in parts of los that its acceptable

i feel given the education and the benefits that people in the west are raised with i judge them far more harshly than someone(from los) with very few options who probably doesnt have the education of a young teenager back in the west...would they be happy for children to make decisions in the west that child-like adults make in los...more thank likely not...and those that would be fine with it would just identify themselves as low class scum along with child abusers

...off tangent but its similar to when you see westerners driving mopeds with a baby or a child on the handlebars of the bike with or without a helmet. why? because an uneducated and poor thai is forced to do it

when i see these westerners i feel like giving them a slap, what would happen if they behaved in the same way in their own country?(putting a child at risk) many people would be outraged and feel the same anger towards them that i do

If the lady makes more money than a 2 doctors working in Thailand is that OK? I mean it's like at that point she has a number of options like to buy a hotel or college or something.

i've a feeling my comments have triggered a response from some of these bar owners, friends or customers

something thats conviently ignored, many of these working girls(who if born into better cicumstances would no way be selling themselves) are raped...in the west no means no and if a male/female persists then it is without consent and is classed as rape, yet the beleif is that peopel are paying for the girl and she has little choice..or that she made the decision to work there and put herself at risk, as if that excuses it, even the men that are on the surface more gentle with these girls that doesnt mean that they haven't been sexually abused beforehand

that's the industry these guys are involved in, they are not there to protect or save anyone otherwise they would open hostels and charities..instead they profit from the situation while pretending to care or be a good guy

jitti gym in bangkok will look after you

any bar owner operating a business with a barfine/lady drink deal in place is nothing but a glorified pimp and is making a living from girls with very few options that are putting themselves at risk so they can earn some cash

some of the bar owners accept his label while others think they are doing nothing wrong, it's.bad enough when the thai's do it but imo when westerners do it it's far worse and more exploitive

i believe michael caine once said;

they say money doesn't make you happy, i've been rich and poor and i know which i prefer

says it all really

i'm glad you're ok, that's the sort of thing that usually happens to me

i don't think anyone has asked this...how much did he charge you for the fare?

i can imagine the guy still expecting to be paid after all tit

all the best

how did he get caught?

whats the going rate for 1-2 month rentals up there?

i have re-read and you are calling your customers cheap charlies because the dont want to purchase your water and would rather save themselves 1 baht, you then complain that your customers don't leave 1 baht tip and this has a knock on effect on how well your staff perform

i will repeat myself for the sake of clarity, perhaps if you paid your staff enough they wouldnt rely on tips and wouldnt feel let down when a customer decides to pocket their own change. when you complain about losing 1 baht you are no different than the person who is saving 1 baht, the difference is it's their money to do as they wish, you are unhappy because they arent giving you or your staff more money, they are already paying guests in your hotel

now you could fix your staffs mood and work ethic if you paid them more so they didn't have to rely on tips but like your customers it's your choice how you spend your money, i just find it odd that when things could be worse i.e you could have no customers, you complain about the customers you do have and over petty amounts such as 1 baht, that makes you sound cheap and resentful to your customers, the people who are supporting your hotel with their custom

your hotel isnt called fawlty towers is it?

I will repeat myself AGAIN, to put your reading glasses on and re-read .

Since when does wage affect staff attitude towards tips? especially to taking 1 baht tip, its an insult to wait for 1 baht less the 1 cent in any country in the world

Yes i am calling my customers cheap charlies, because they would waste 15 mins of their life to save 1 baht and if you think there is nothing wrong with that, i have some sad news for you, there is something wrong with you

Its no different than driving 1 hour to another town to save $5 on something, while wasting $50 on gas, not to mention time involved, surely those "bargain hunters" also think they scored a bargain, not even realizing it has cost them 10 times more

As for for advice on how to run the business, may i suggest you stick to what you know best, whatever that is, perhaps posting rubbish

so if you feel so strongly about it put up a sign informing your customers that you think they are cheap charlies for not spending more money in your hotel and btw what is the name of your hotel for future reference

staff wages have a lot to do with it, if you paid your staff enough to not rely on tips then they wouldnt feel insulted if someone decided to pocket their own change, if they have a decent wage each month without tips then they could just smile when a customer decides to pocket the 1 baht rather than as you put it allowing their customer service levels to drop, there's a saying and it rings true, my money is bettter in my pocket than in yours obvioulsy that doesnt relate to charities but are your staff really a charity case because of a poor salary?

now back to your water claims, if the shops can afford to sell their water cheaper than you and still make a profit then as pointed out if you drop your prices to match their price then you may shift more bottles of water, there's also a possiblility that your service is crap and thats why people decide to not tip, i mean here you are bad mouthing your customers, would your situation not be more serious if your hotel was unoccupied?

as for your insults, i'll try and ignore them 555 meanwhile please feel free to keep on moaning about all the 1 bahts you're losing, you high-roller

it is clear you do not have a business or ever had one, so i will not bother to get into this useless discussion.

Seem you can not even comprehend the basics, that hotel is not a supermarket nor it is cash-n-carry, lucky there are plenty of benches outside 7-11, and usually no shortage of cheap charlies, buying the beer and drinking it there.

i provide more than well enough for myself and my family, i can afford to travel to parts of the world without relying on underpaying locals for my own benefit

it seems you dont comprehend the basics of running a hotel and that was what my fawlty towers remark was a reference to, you run a hotel yet hate your guests 555

the first rule of business is the customer is always right, yet when a customer decides to pocket their own money which could be because of a multitude of reasons you badmouth them online, you still didn't mention which hotel you own?

it could be that you are so remote with the nearest store being 15 minutes away and your guests don't have anything to do with their time...

it could be that your staff are in a foul mood because the last customer decided that the couple of baht change would be good for the toilet money and they didnt have anything smaller, your staff then go in a seemingly justified huff(with your approval) and drop their level of service for the next customer who then feels that the service isn't worth leaving a tip for

my point was that if you and your staff can feel resentful for losing out on 1 baht either in lost sales on water or a customers change then things must be pretty dire

you'd have to lose out 100 times just to be down on £2 yet here you are bad mouthing the customers who are still spending money in your business in financially tough times, so if they want to be a bit more frugal with their cash..upto them

the fact is you have placed yourself in the customer care and hospitality industry and therefore should provide a good service regardless of a customer leaving a tip, yet you feel justified in writing online about your customers spending habbits, all because they aren't throwing more money towards you and your staff and you then offer less customer care because you and your staff have become bitter due to your own expectations

what's orange and sounds like a parrot?

a carrot

i have re-read and you are calling your customers cheap charlies because the dont want to purchase your water and would rather save themselves 1 baht, you then complain that your customers don't leave 1 baht tip and this has a knock on effect on how well your staff perform

i will repeat myself for the sake of clarity, perhaps if you paid your staff enough they wouldnt rely on tips and wouldnt feel let down when a customer decides to pocket their own change. when you complain about losing 1 baht you are no different than the person who is saving 1 baht, the difference is it's their money to do as they wish, you are unhappy because they arent giving you or your staff more money, they are already paying guests in your hotel

now you could fix your staffs mood and work ethic if you paid them more so they didn't have to rely on tips but like your customers it's your choice how you spend your money, i just find it odd that when things could be worse i.e you could have no customers, you complain about the customers you do have and over petty amounts such as 1 baht, that makes you sound cheap and resentful to your customers, the people who are supporting your hotel with their custom

your hotel isnt called fawlty towers is it?

I will repeat myself AGAIN, to put your reading glasses on and re-read .

Since when does wage affect staff attitude towards tips? especially to taking 1 baht tip, its an insult to wait for 1 baht less the 1 cent in any country in the world

Yes i am calling my customers cheap charlies, because they would waste 15 mins of their life to save 1 baht and if you think there is nothing wrong with that, i have some sad news for you, there is something wrong with you

Its no different than driving 1 hour to another town to save $5 on something, while wasting $50 on gas, not to mention time involved, surely those "bargain hunters" also think they scored a bargain, not even realizing it has cost them 10 times more

As for for advice on how to run the business, may i suggest you stick to what you know best, whatever that is, perhaps posting rubbish

so if you feel so strongly about it put up a sign informing your customers that you think they are cheap charlies for not spending more money in your hotel and btw what is the name of your hotel for future reference

staff wages have a lot to do with it, if you paid your staff enough to not rely on tips then they wouldnt feel insulted if someone decided to pocket their own change, if they have a decent wage each month without tips then they could just smile when a customer decides to pocket the 1 baht rather than as you put it allowing their customer service levels to drop, there's a saying and it rings true, my money is bettter in my pocket than in yours obvioulsy that doesnt relate to charities but are your staff really a charity case because of a poor salary?

now back to your water claims, if the shops can afford to sell their water cheaper than you and still make a profit then as pointed out if you drop your prices to match their price then you may shift more bottles of water, there's also a possiblility that your service is crap and thats why people decide to not tip, i mean here you are bad mouthing your customers, would your situation not be more serious if your hotel was unoccupied?

as for your insults, i'll try and ignore them 555 meanwhile please feel free to keep on moaning about all the 1 bahts you're losing, you high-roller

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOMUYuJ8jgc

true story;

many years ago my uncle went into the chinese take away, he had a band aid on his thumb and the guy behind the counter asked "sore finger?"

my uncle replied "no it's just a small cut"

the chinese man asked again "sore finger?" and my uncle again said "no its just a small cut, its nothing really"

when the chinese man asked for a third time he waved the bottles of vinegar and salt in the air

The cheap charlie seem to find the new bottom, in my hotel bottle of water in the mini bar is 10 baht, and yet they would go all the way to the store to buy 1 for 8 or 9. not to mention taking 1 baht change after a meal

how does that interfere with my life? well considering that i said i own a hotel and they prefer to go to the store to save 1 baht , that affects sales, which in turn affects profits which in turn affects my life style.

When they eat and wait for 1 baht change, it upsets my staff, when my staff is upset they do not come to work happy, when they do not come to work happy, they provide bad customer service, when they provide bad customer service i lose customers, which in turn again reflects on sales and again reflects on profits, which then reflects on life style.

Hope its sufficient enough explanation for you on how it interferes with my life

and how would that improve the situation of not even 1 baht tip? or them taking the 1 baht change?

may i suggest you put on your glasses and re-read again, just a suggestion

i have re-read and you are calling your customers cheap charlies because the dont want to purchase your water and would rather save themselves 1 baht, you then complain that your customers don't leave 1 baht tip and this has a knock on effect on how well your staff perform

i will repeat myself for the sake of clarity, perhaps if you paid your staff enough they wouldnt rely on tips and wouldnt feel let down when a customer decides to pocket their own change. when you complain about losing 1 baht you are no different than the person who is saving 1 baht, the difference is it's their money to do as they wish, you are unhappy because they arent giving you or your staff more money, they are already paying guests in your hotel

now you could fix your staffs mood and work ethic if you paid them more so they didn't have to rely on tips but like your customers it's your choice how you spend your money, i just find it odd that when things could be worse i.e you could have no customers, you complain about the customers you do have and over petty amounts such as 1 baht, that makes you sound cheap and resentful to your customers, the people who are supporting your hotel with their custom

your hotel isnt called fawlty towers is it?

The cheap charlie seem to find the new bottom, in my hotel bottle of water in the mini bar is 10 baht, and yet they would go all the way to the store to buy 1 for 8 or 9. not to mention taking 1 baht change after a meal

How does this interfere with your life?

You certainly keep your eyes open..........or maybe you're just really describing yourself?

how does that interfere with my life? well considering that i said i own a hotel and they prefer to go to the store to save 1 baht , that affects sales, which in turn affects profits which in turn affects my life style.

When they eat and wait for 1 baht change, it upsets my staff, when my staff is upset they do not come to work happy, when they do not come to work happy, they provide bad customer service, when they provide bad customer service i lose customers, which in turn again reflects on sales and again reflects on profits, which then reflects on life style.

Hope its sufficient enough explanation for you on how it interferes with my life

and how would that improve the situation of not even 1 baht tip? or them taking the 1 baht change?

why should people tip if they don't want to? perhaps if you paid a better wage and took less profits then the staff wouldnt have to rely on tips as much and could come to work always happy...as for moaning about profits losing 1 baht to the 7/11 store water...you'd have to sell 100 bottles of water to make £2, how many rooms does your hotel have?

things must be tough when someone who can afford a hotel moans about losing 1 baht...its ironic you're calling people cheap charlies yet moaning about not earning 1 baht/2 pence profit..that sounds like true cheap charlie talk imo

perhaps you should be pleased you have guests rather than moan about where they decide to spend their own money

hi ballbreaker,

Thanks for taking the time to post, I've read similar pages but I get confused as they usually refer to an ownership of 3 years and as such there are fees to be paid

I've read that once a property has been owned over a certain period 5+ years then no fees are paid, I was looking for confirmation of this

The other query I had was that some of the fees are calculated based on profit made from the property e.g purchase for 1 million and sell for 1.5 million, then as I understand it you would pay a % of the profit (500k) in tax, however, I am confused as to how this applies when there is no profit made on the property i.e how can you pay tax on profit when there is no profit made

With this in mind I am unsure if the property is only subject to a % of the selling price e.g 1-2 % 1 mil is approx 10,000-20,000 baht and would that be the total fees due + solicitors fees

I hope the above makes sense and that someone could give me advice based on the above

Thanks again

Hello all,

I appologise if this question has already been answered, I have tried searching on the forum but I didn't have any luck with the results.

I would like to know approximate transfer fees for selling a condo if you are selling at a loss

The property has been owned by the current owner for 7.5-8 years

The property is 32 sqm

I have read various pages that explain that the fees are calculated on several factors i.e

How long the property has been owned(if over a certain period no fees or less fees are paid)

The difference between the purchased price and the selling price(this would be easier to calculate if there was a profit in the sale but the property is being sold for less money that the purchase price)

I believe there may be some other details that I'm unaware of e.g

Government deciding what price the property is worth per m2..but I'm unsure how they can dictate what price you must sell your property for and perhaps there are some other details that I am unaware of ?

I would appreciate if anyone with experience could advise on the approximate transfer fee's and offer any relevant advice

Thanks in advance