pinfold

Healthcare is available to all legal residents of Spain on the same basis as citizens of Spain. It takes 5 years of continuous stay in Spain with allowable exceptions to become a resident of Spain.

Crab,now what is it about? I am aware of everything on your blithering ranting.

Your absolutely famous for trolling ,that's for sure,you have stated your piece, I was more than well aware of .

Now if another poster who has experience of living/ moving to Canaries it would be appreciated/

From a comment to that same 2012 'Move to Spain' article:

The problem is that Spain is to introduce new measures to control immigrants by insisting they can support themselves, and if they don't have a job, they have to have health insurance, if I read it correctly. So it's not just a question of turning up for free healthcare. So much for the free movement between EU countries.

From https://www.gov.uk/healthcare-in-spain

Overview

The rules for getting state healthcare in Spain are different from those in the UK. This guide is intended to advise British nationals living, or planning to live, in Spain on the different ways to access healthcare.

Healthcare entitlement

If you are registered to work in Spain and make national insurance contributions then you can get state-run health care on the same basis as a Spanish national. For further information, get in touch with your local TGSS office.

If you registered as a resident in Spain before 24 April 2012, have an annual income of less than €100,000 and are not covered for healthcare though any other means, speak to your local INSS office to register for healthcare in Spain as a resident.

Crab ,I am fully aware of everything concerning health care in Spain,what you are ranting on about is irreverent,to the point of absurd,now I know I exposed you a while ago as a raving whatever and it deeply upset you

I do not need to get in touch with anybody or anything concerning health care by way of your observations,its all covered

Now Whatever

From a comment to that same 2012 'Move to Spain' article:

The problem is that Spain is to introduce new measures to control immigrants by insisting they can support themselves, and if they don't have a job, they have to have health insurance, if I read it correctly. So it's not just a question of turning up for free healthcare. So much for the free movement between EU countries.

Exactly Crab. There are details I have not included in my initial request for information that I was fully aware of. Again trolling your irrelevance and ignorance as to circumstances is somewhat what your famous for.

. Please educate as to "new immigrants" and "supporting themselves" I stated I satisfy UK immigration entry for spouse,now what is Spanish entry? Answers please Whatever

Following extensive media coverage of the refusal by Spanish hospitals to allow expats free treatment via the European Health Insurance Card (EHIC), the European Commission is to take legal action.

- See more at:

Believing all that's read in popular press at times is.... Whatever

Are there any computer learning centres around Pattaya. She is fairly competent,but Id rather she took lessons than constantly asking me

Thanks

Should have added more detail to first post,I guess,just kept it to the bare bones.

UK subject.

I know Spain are one of the hardest to deal with with visa issues,so the idea of endless procedures is off putting.

By marriage to UK subject I understand she has automatic right to enter the country,probably gain access to whatever automatic rights that I obtain as living there ie employment,medical etc.

I am not by-passing the conditions imposed by UK immigration through seeking a life in the Canaries,I have enough income for her UK entry and her English language skills are excellent,just the weather and free medical for two make an obvious choice after life here in Thailand. Personally I do not wish to live in the UK again

Was hoping someone would pick up on the thread who has done it and got the t shirt

Thanks

I need to make this move in the next year or so,but have had same Thai g/f now for 6 or so years,would like to take her over as that, but visa ruling would make this impossible.

Thinking of marrying her as less problems on immigration ,do not want to return to the UK as that would involve problems that do not exist in Spain ,or the islands.

Anyone got any ideas?

Thanks

Which hospitals are any good?,, I asked a couple of GP's as well as my well informed ex bank manager there which the ex pat customers have expressed an interest in and are using regularly,plus on line search. Turned out I used the best surgeon (UK trained) but at higher price ,not much more though,is on the first inclusion on this thread.

For more advanced surgery (heart) I think a hospital KLES in Belguam gets the best write up,about 4 to 5 hours from Goa airport ,seems many returning ex-pats choose that one, big multi specialty hospital, and not particularly on the tourist trail Skype them,once past switchboard their English skills pick up considerably,ask to speak to surgeon,there will be many

Rang Visionespeciality multi whatever in Goa yesterday for the liver biopsy price, there on line. Skype them

Rupee to the £ now must the highest in a long time fantastic value almost 92 to the £

Sorry post 10

I do not like using Bombay or Delhi Just too big Wait until monsoon season over fantastic beaches to recover on

There is no question that medical care costs are lower in India than in Thailand. Whether or not the savings will outweigh the costs of traveling there depends very much on just how extensive/expensive a procedure is in question.

There is also no question that both excellent and terrible medical care can be had in both India and Thailand...and anywhere else. It would be just as naive and foolish to assume that going to a hospital in India guarantees good care as it would be to assume that it guarantees poor care.

Even within the same hospital, there is a wide range of competency.

Regardless of the country or hospital you choose, always choose the doctor with care.

It should also be noted that the cost of care in Thailand varies greatly and that there can be as much as a 10 fold difference between government hospitals and top end (price-wise) private ones. So before deciding to fly off to India on grounds of cost, make sure that you have researched the less expensive (but still good quality) options in Thailand.

Your right.

But as to flying costs are concerned they are getting mighty cheap,recently looked at Air Asia £60 return to Calcutta,bit more Chennai,use either as hub to anywhere. If using Air India think BKK to Bom, Bom to GOI is free on Tues and Thurs was anyway a while ago)...New airline GO Air just sprang up plus Air Asia (India ) are flying soon.

Do not want to add anything more here except adding to your query, Ill bring forward a post I put in a while ago,to answer your specific Q

OH PLEASE STOP THIS BICKERING ; PLEASE PLEASE

back to the subject matter at hand and trying to use some realistic yard stick, here is the cost estimate of the Bumrungrad for a heart bypass surgery, (We don´t know what type of surgery Bloomberg is using for its $100.000 operation)

Much higher than India but still a token to what you have to pay in the US.

as to qualification of doctors, I think it is rather useless to generalize hospitals. Bumrungrad has only 1200 of these, impossible that all of them are roughly on the same level of compentence. But the same is true with any other hospital in the world. Having had an almost deadly accident I can ascertain= luck starts after survival= simply by pure chance being in the right hands of the right professional. Starting with the rescue team at the scene and hopefully ending with a good Physio- or whatever therapist.

price range Bumrungrad for single or multiple bypasses?

Here the Bumrungrad price list to all kinds of procedures http://www.bumrungrad.com/en/realcost-thailand-surgery/procedures-surgery-cost-pricing

These are tourist prices. I just called an (excellent) Indian hospital regarding the first pricing that list contains (Liver biopsy) 1cm biopsy 1500 rupees,...about £14....I guess you could equate all the listed prices

OH PLEASE STOP THIS BICKERING ; PLEASE PLEASE

back to the subject matter at hand and trying to use some realistic yard stick, here is the cost estimate of the Bumrungrad for a heart bypass surgery, (We don´t know what type of surgery Bloomberg is using for its $100.000 operation)

Much higher than India but still a token to what you have to pay in the US.

as to qualification of doctors, I think it is rather useless to generalize hospitals. Bumrungrad has only 1200 of these, impossible that all of them are roughly on the same level of compentence. But the same is true with any other hospital in the world. Having had an almost deadly accident I can ascertain= luck starts after survival= simply by pure chance being in the right hands of the right professional. Starting with the rescue team at the scene and hopefully ending with a good Physio- or whatever therapist.

price range Bumrungrad for single or multiple bypasses?

Skype them

In legal circles they say a lawyer who represents himself in court has a fool for a client.

I don't know where I've encountered more people that know more than the doctors and hospitals and crooked health insurance companies but it sure is entertaining reading.

Yes you were "entertained" a while ago !!!!

... and still awaiting the further adventures of the 'Goa Kid' as he flies off to the west across the Adaman Sea for cures and treatments far beyond the competence and at a fraction of the cost of that available to us clueless and hopelessly mired here in Thailand

Was it two pages worth backwards and forwarding? something like that, you accusing everyone of being a nutcase who held out that you were wrong, a deranged idiot could see you were wrong,that was until some kindly soul eventually sat you down to give you the simplest of explanations,then you thanking them and off you go.

I know you like to get your teeth into other posters who offend you,just pages of drivel now expected from you,but as one recent replying poster to yourself replied"argue with someone else"

Good reply!!!

In legal circles they say a lawyer who represents himself in court has a fool for a client.

I don't know where I've encountered more people that know more than the doctors and hospitals and crooked health insurance companies but it sure is entertaining reading.

Yes you were "entertained" a while ago !!!!

If it turns out however that the newborn of the friend mentioned in the post above does have an abnormal heart condition which occurs in 1-2% of births in the USA he won't be looking so smart -- maybe the BHP hospital had reason to suspect?

And maybe there are unnecessary tests -- but to dispense with medical tests that have been generally accepted until that is the common wisdom can still be considered 'experimental'.

And I'm sure you'll be very happy to hear that the baby is a few months old now and in prefect health. Whatever it was in their case occurs in about 70% of new babies. Either the BHP staff was too incompetent to know that or they were trying to bilk my friend. Knowing the way BHP works, I'll go with the latter.

I'm sure Sheryl will be aware that the ...... reportedly bought into the surrounding hospitals around Pattaya last year,notwithstanding their otherwise excellent reputations at being an alternative destination to the "big three". Can just imagine the discussion to that one "or else the medical staff will wake up with eight bullet wounds to the head"

Only once have I fallen foul of one of these hospitals ,told them I'm fed up lying here,reply "the doctor will be around shortly" this was about 4 in the afternoon,I asked when? ,10 pm was the reply. Got out of bed unhitched the heart monitors etc,in the meantime the nurses were hooking up more drip bottles to the frame I was on,and the existing bottle was threequarterf lull,gave me the bill,I asked for the director of the hospital at that point,and I intimated that Id call the police. They shaved £400 off the bill

Struck out the name

Pinfold

Not faultless !

Read my earlier post.

Anyone thinking about surgical treatment in India needs to be aware of the potential downside !

Yes was aware of your point,but the hospitals mentioned can be spotted a mile off,more mosquitoes inside them than outside.

India for me is the best medical care in the world,and Ive been to a few places.

PS fan or no fan a private room can be availed for something like £20 day (with AC)

From jet ski, tuk tuk taxi,scooter,car renting scams Thailand's full of it,medically too. Never wanting to give up their fiefdom,I could count on one hand the amount of Thai hospital recommendations there are here on Thaivisa,all at a price(big ones)

India's a medical blessing,yes lived there years ago until "whitey" was given the boot,many faults for sure,but for medical issues I think it is faultless,just do not associate with a big international tourist hospital and you will be fine

Sounds like a good idea, but I wonder if internet speed, and bandwidth limits will prevent it working. I have enough trouble with BBC iPlayer via VPN.

That is the problem,the VPN slowing it all down.

I have uktv installed on demo mode now for well over 6 months ,its free,hardly ever buffers Im on the 3BB 580 a month deal picks up BB1 Sky news etc

Do not want to reactivate a thread I started way back to "options to Thailand's medical "care" " (a few pages back) Sheryl will kick me off. But I had knee surgery there in India,the finest of the finest ,MRI operation, etc etc I had other procedures too and from estimate I garnered here in Thailand before taking the plunge there in India I calculated it cost me one fortieth of the cost here in Thailand.

Wait until you see the cost of western drugs there in India,unbelievably cheap. As a Yank you will be spared the cost of visa over a UK subject,is possible to get there without visa for urgent medical purposes but getting the airline to take you maybe a different matter

Speaking to British doctor yesterday here in Thailand,he stated surgery in India was undeniably good,surgery especially.

Do not think you will get many comments here in Thailand, as far as medical matters are concerned India's a hidden world ,but for the rest of the world it seems it a number one choice.

I like it,saves a fortune too

They are no way a problem if handled correctly. I look after quite a few soi dogs,spaying etc,keep the numbers down

Probably one of my most heartbreaking tasks yesterday was one soi mutt a real pearl of a dog,gentle ,intelligent so lovings was taking her to the vet to be put down,her back had been broken. The vet initially refusing,but promising another 7 days she will do it. To me that's 7 days of agony watching her slowly die. Pathetic,but that's Thailand

These people dont realise that living in torture is worse than instant death.

One of the best soi dogs I have ever come across,would have been the most faithful and loyal dog anyone could own, I look after too many.

Two and a half thousand baht to put to sleep,did it three days later with another vet,she was in agony and I guess was thankful when the end came,just cupped her head in my hand,she looked straight at me and it was quickly over. Glad for my own sake I shortened the wait. One hell of a good dog

According to reports Sky have now made channel choosing freely available. As it pulls the channels off the internet would it work in Thailand?

Then you must be feeling better!!

One step forward,two steps back,still feeling the effects though. Spoke to foreign doctor recently ,he did state it will take around six or so weeks to make recovery.

Why the two GP's I initially visited did not take sample from back of throat to get it analysed to determine the type of pneumonia?,it would have saved unnecessary suffering for sure.

Better armed, if and when I get another bout

It is my understanding, and I'm no expert , but only professionals will be able work freely across borders.

I think this may have a negative impact on western foreigners, we will be even lower on the totem.

Certainly Thailand's dismal English skills will be a detriment, Thais may well find themselves the servants and minimum waged labor force of ASEAN

I wonder really how much of EAC Tailand will adhere to. It may well just ignore what doesn't benefit it.

Ok, but with people being able to stay indefinitely with no visa restrictions surely the temptation will be there to hire more Vietnamese/Burmese or whatever to do more manual labour etc. I understand that 'officially' only certain professions are included but supply and demand, free market economics and all that....I am certainly no expert either, just very interested.

Yes, in the AEC protocols now agreed / signed by all AEC countries, there are fixed categories of work / certain professions where all citizens of all AEC countries can easily move across countries, but obviously this is not all workers. And the said rules / regulations apply in a standard approach for all countries. If not then of course AEC would not even exist.

Would supply and demand mean that the rules and regulations (meaning the paragraph just above) are just ignored? Somehow I doubt it because all countries will be under quite strong pressure from the other AEC member countries to specifically follow the overall policies, rules and regulations.

If one country decides they will 'change' or 'ignore' the policies, regulations etc., then they need to beware that another country doesn't say, 'but you ignored the policies & regulations about XXX so we are now ignoring the policies and regulations about YYY'. If this happens AEC will fall apart very quickly.

Further, IMHO Singapore (just one example) which is very strong on following / totally respecting policies / laws etc., will very quickly speak up / demand action if another member is breaking the AEC policies, etc.

Hire more Vietnamese workers. Hire more Myanmar workers.

May not be that simple. I recently heard a discussion saying that there are many well qualified people from Myanmar who could not in the past get jobs at home so they ended up working as labourers in Thailand. Could well be that the fast and big foreign investment from Europe etc etc., will create good positions for these folks and they will go home.

A little longer term it could be that wages etc., for labour / semi-skilled workers in companies in Myanmar are attractive enough that lots of the Myanmar labourers now in Thailand also go home (after all many of them end up paying out lots of 'tea money' to corrupt Thai officials which of course seriously erodes any income advantage they might have in terms of the wages they receive in Thailand. Travel backwards and forwards also of course erodes their income.

There are also fairly large numbers of Myanmar people in Thailand because of past political scenarios pushed they to flee personal political oppression in Myanmar. Perhaps as Miss Sue Key pushes for equality / stopping of such oppressions these people will also then just go home.

AEC may well also put a lot of pressure on Thailand to stop the serious mass abuses of Myanmar people in the fishing industry (just one example, and there are of course other countries in the same situation) and force Thailand to ensure these people are paid appropriately and their human rights respected.

Vietnam. Well I can assure you that Vietnam will retain some of it's communist / socialist ideals for a long time to come (I have taught a number of MBA courses in English in both Hanoi and Ho Chi Mien City, many of the students (especially in Hanoi) are still very communist but they attend MBA programs because UN development aid funds are tied to specific education development , etc.). They talk openly about equal opportunity / sharing the wealth for all. In Ho Chi Mien City a bit different; there are many dynamic business folks who embrace capitalism but often are also very socialist.

Perhaps this means that the income gap (as Vietnam develops more) will not be as big as Thailand (just an example) and therefore Vietnamese people staying at home.

To be generous on the due date it all is supposed to take effect Ill give it 5 minutes before it all falls apart. Thailand will head for another military coup,...after all the generals/colonels/whoever are only protecting their own backs

^ Perhaps, but for decades, Thailand had enjoyed its protectionist policies unencumbered, and the unmentionable has not occurred.

I've had nothing but harassment, lies and racism from Thailand, so yep, I hope it suffers most dramatically and shall enjoy it.

The unmentionable is the closest to the end game I have ever seen a human being facing,totally shocking to observe a couple of days ago on Thai television. Its the fall out from that I think that will dwarf 2015/2016

Yes Burma could boom I guess, tourism as well will be a big draw card there ( and away from Thailand)

Tourism in Burma will be a long time a'comin',its a dump,but it will cut the feet from under Thailand with rubber/rice production. Yingluk is on her travels to Africa,signing trade deals,while just signing free trade agreements with India <deleted> a country that has seen its currency collapse by 40% to a country that's appreciated by 40%.,it will be trade flowing one way

There are scenes and interviews in the BBC documentary that are not acceptable to be shown in this country( Thailand,its illegal),but the live interview shown on Thai television I was shocked by his appearance.

How many military coups in Thailand since inception? is it six or sixty?,many more to come no doubt. The military are not going to stand around and let farang witness a country tearing itself apart,think an exit strategy may be well thought out