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13 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I can see there is more to this story than meets the eye.

Of course it's horrible that many people have lost their money.

On the other hand, as is usual with con man scams in general, they prey on the greed of their victims.

You've have to be a very naive expat or local to actually believe that 3.5 MONTHLY percent return on a bank deposit in Thailand isn't extremely suspect. Danger Will Robinson!

Obviously any perps should have to face the consequences under the law, but I'm wondering, in a situation like this where people weren't putting their money in normal bank financial vehicles, is there really much chance that the bank in question will be legally obligated to pay the money back? 

 

I would think if they invested in a legitimate bank scheme and that lost money they have obviously lost money, however if an employee of the bank is siphoning off their money surely the bank would return this to them?

strange considering the huge spike in infections, don't really buy that its because of more testing because they have only done a little over a million tests since this all began. i suspect simply money thats driving this statement and decision. Still in the scheme of things Thailand has very few cases compared to some,, at least for now but that can change very quickly. Guess we will see.

2 hours ago, internationalism said:

now, they said only 20k per month.

Now it's 430 per month, so even 1k is very optimistic.

No vaccination available worldwide - no mass tourism.

If Thailand would have vaccine from China, it can be send to consulates to inoculate sometimes before travel and possibly have shortish isolation, quarantine

i thought Thailand said they will have their own vaccine? ????

15 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

That's just one story. Cases are rising exponentially as we test more but hospitalizations and deaths are not following the same trend. It's not as bad as we once thought and we're getting over the worst of it I think.

Its one story yes, but one of many,,, I have more i could tell you including a death in one of my oldest friends family. I do agree that we are getting better at treating the symptoms, no doubt, but thats a good thing and still doesn't take away how nasty this virus is and how devastating it can be to your health,, anyway, the vaccine looks to be coming now so we are moving towards getting out of this mess.

3 hours ago, The Now Factor said:

Did you wear a mask before this?Distance from people?Lived your life in fear? Probably not,so why now?

They're not giving into fear,they choose freedom.You should respect that. 

 

 

They do it now because we are experiencing a global pandemic,,, dohhh! Nothing to with freedom, the conspiracy theories are rife and i guess someone must believe them. The precautions are to protect you and your fellow man and to try and halt the spread of the virus, what you call "people expressing freedom" i call "people behaving like irresponsible idiots".

2 hours ago, ttrd said:

Well, we will probably as time goes on and conditions worsen in Europe throughout the winter see that more and more people gladly will choose the process of 14 days quarantine and then live almost normally in Thailand rather than having to be locked up in their own home in their homecountry waiting for the virus to disappear which may take years ... ????

Nonsense. its going to be a hard winter for sure but the vaccine is being administered this year, by next summer we will be in a very different place. I would rather be anywhere in Europe than Thailand. All Thailand has to offer is the weather, once you take that out of the equation there is absolutely zip worth going there for now that is worth all the grief associated with being there. So, I think you are wrong with your assumptions. 

13 hours ago, wensiensheng said:

If people have family here (wife and kids) it’s not surprising that they would be desperate to come back, no matter the hurdles.

Thats a fair point, because i wouldn't go back there for all the tea in China. Thailand has had it's day, tourism was already falling pre Covid. There are other places to go that offer so much more and none of the misery that has been covered a million times on TVF already, simply not worth it. Leave Thailand to the Thai people, they never wanted us there anyway, so now they have their wish. 

300 Chinese tourists,,, ???? so how does 300 tourists represent any kind of meaningful policy or indeed make any difference at all to a collapsed industry? couldn't make this nonsense up,,,

3 hours ago, Leaver said:

It would be embarrassing if after all the protest to open the boarders, no one came.  ????

it is exactly what would happen in my view. People are staying local for holidays and weekend breaks, if they are going to travel long haul there are countless choices before Pattaya (unless of course you are a sex tourist who wants to spend their holiday with prostitutes).

20 minutes ago, tomauasia said:

The picture here is of Thailand's most hated PM IN HISTORY. He has no hope of reelection so his turning white night now.

He even took money from the family for COVID. Let's just say his retirement maybe cut back. LOL

you could be right, populist policy and action is a dodgy politicians ammunition when things dont look good for retaining power. 

16 minutes ago, Jenkins9039 said:

Ok, so why hasn't Yingluck and Thaksin been brought back yet?

Not sure about Thaksin but Yingluck was not charged with an offence that would come under common law. If I remember rightly is was something to do with not performing her duties correctly, that would not be a criminal offence in many countries. In order to be extradited it has to be a recognised common law such as murder, theft, drug smuggling, kiddy porn or something like that where every country would recognise the crime. 

In the case of the Red Bull idiot he killed a policeman with his car whilst under the influence, that is a criminal offence in any country so it should be simpler, but then again this is Thailand we are talking about and he is very, very rich. When it comes to Thailand and lots of money it is terribly corrupt.

5 minutes ago, Retfed50 said:

Interpol is actually more of an intelligence gathering organization. Officers and agents assigned to Interpol have no arrest authority. If they do locate the subject of a Red Notice, they will notify both the country that issued the warrant and the country in which the subject has been located. It is then up to those two nations to work things out as far as arrest,extradition, etc. If the two countries have an extradition treaty between them, then things should move fairly smoothly. If there is no extradition treaty then it could be a problem

That is true. Interpol acts in "Interpol member nations", the member nations have agreed to pay a fee to fund Interpol. So generally speaking a Red Notice is enough to raise a local arrest warrant, but sometimes more information is needed I believe. However generally speaking if you have a Red notice hanging over your head you are going to be seeing the inside of a prison cell pretty soon awaiting extradition.

4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Don't agree, these ideas of justice, duty, honour, morality and atonement are (white) Christian concepts.

If you've got the money to get away with it, in a corrupt country, why not?

Really? You cannot see how damaging this kind of corruption can be for society? Educate yourself.

5 hours ago, dcsw53 said:

What happened, did the brown envelopes stop ?

I think it is the boycotting of Red Bull products. It certainly has momentum here in the UK and a lot of my friends in Australia so looks like it is spreading, even if sales are down 10% over Covid they will be feeling the loss.

4 minutes ago, TERMINATOR3AB said:

The  threat  of  revolution getting  very real  

Must  try  something to win  but the people

Too little  too late  bro ...  they  forget  interpol  can be  corrupt  too  if enough  reward 

Good  Luck Thailand

I have not heard that Interpol is corrupt? Are you sure? Of course there can be corruption anywhere but fundamentally I would think Interpol cannot be paid off to turn a blind eye,, at least I hope so.

5 hours ago, JAS21 said:

This appears to be quite an interesting development

Lets hope for once Thailand is not all hot air and they do actually do the right thing this time. I know Red Bull products are being boycotted by an ever increasing number of people (including myself). I don't want to buy a product where the proceeds of which are being used to pay off certain corrupt authorities allowing this guy to escape justice. I think it is rare when a normal member of society can make a real difference tackling corruption of the wealthy but in this instance people can and they are doing so. Lets see how it develops..

5 hours ago, tomauasia said:

There is no evidence and she went to a hotel room with NO kitchen just a bed. If it was a Thai man there be no charge. In Australia they check her vagina for bruising. No bruising no rape. Here say next

Thank you Doctor Qunicy.

17 hours ago, Matzzon said:

Again I do not disagree with you. Just that the risk can be minimized by getting to know a person before advancing to fast. Mean you can meet and get to know each other a couple of times first. Actually, I do think that most ordinary men would see that as more attractive than a quick ride the first night.

However, If is rape then he should be punished.

I agree with you completely on all points you have made. If they investigate and he is found guilty then he will get all he deserves.

18 hours ago, micmichd said:

Evidence is not proof, and a warrant is not a verdict. 

???? Evidence is a sign of guilt isn't it, without some form of evidence they could not raise an arrest warrant. So, yes he has not been convicted yet but he has been arrested. 

20 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

Thanks for your opinion.  It might have escaped your notice, but I was quoting and responding to Blyespunk. 

 

Can you tell me exactly where they state in the article the evidence of him raping the woman please as I can find it?

 

It just says the woman claimed she was raped so the guy was taken in for questioning.

 

For you and your pal blyespunk, I am not saying the guy is innocent or guilty. I am saying you and him don't know what happened so why so quick to find him guilty? Apparently you guys done believe in a fair trial or innocent till proven guilty. 

 

 

Don't know why you are having difficulty reading it, I quote,, "who gathered evidence and asked the court for a warrant." The police raised a warrant for his arrest after gathering evidence,, pretty clear to me. 

1 hour ago, micmichd said:

Simply : we don't know what really happened, we are not eyewitnesses.

If the Frenchman is charged with rape and doesn't plead guilty, then police will investigate. On trial, the "in dubio pro reo" principle will apply, so the case would have to be dismissed. 

The danger I see here is the Western #MeToo movement who take everything they can grab to push their agenda, in order to eliminate the "in dubio pro reo" principle. Hopefully Thai police or Thai courts will not fall for this. 

Tinder is a dating site, and all dates are meant to be for sex. All of them. Money for sex, to be precise. So, this French guy invested money and - quite understandable - wants a return for his investment.  

So, it's what Europeans call a "non liquet" case, a case to be dismissed. 

What a complete load of cobblers. "quite understand he wants a return on his investment"! What on Gods green earth are you talking about? All dating sites are not about sex, believe it or not a lot of people are just looking to meet someone. Money for sex? You are wrong on every level, i think it would be hard to be more wrong than you are. You need to understand the world has changed, online, social media is now an accepted and common way to meet new people and maybe even find your future partner, wake up and smell the coffee.. Terrible attitude, the woman was raped for goodness sake he did not "understandably" get his return back on his investment. 

1 hour ago, Matzzon said:

You are one hundred percent right. No problem with that. The thing I posted it was much of on Tinder, was prostitution where women go with men for money, not the rape part. However, I am not blaming the woman. It can very well be like she claim, and sure he need to get punished. I just find it strange that people are not more aware of the dangers in life, and just walk with unknown people to their private quarters. Out of that particular reason, I just vented another fairly great possibility, in my opinion.

I think if women didn't take any risk getting to know a man they would end up lonely spinsters. The problem here is not to criticise the woman for knowing better it is all about the disgusting behaviour of the man. Every woman should take care of themselves of course but she still has the right to say no. Almost any other time any real man would not even think of forcing himself upon a woman, the problem is all about the man, thats the point I was making.

2 hours ago, ericthai said:

I think a visit to a house and visit to hotel room are two different things!

Why is that? Does no mean no in a house but in hotel its fair game?