muythai2013

I know monks can smoke because we nearly all did it, what more is there to say.

I don't care if tobacco was from America, every culture smoked something, not just tobacco and Buddha did smoke.

sit in denial if you like but he smoked.

I mention Happiness earlier, It's such a difficult subject.

I knew some very happy and some extremely unhappy rich people, one strung himself up with a rope last year.

Have a good friend jin, he was a Gold medallist in the Asian games years ago and lives in Klong Thoy, when I stayed in his shack it was to small to fully stretch out and the whole area was like something from a movie, I was warned not to come there alone.

Jin and his wife are always happy, money certainly helps relieve the pressures in life but cannot assure happiness, so that's why I don't define wealth in money.

whats that got to do with anything, I'm either with my wife and children or my Trainers.

You don't have to hang out with bar girls just because its Thailand.

You were the one who said that lying dishonest (your words) outnumber the good ones. My observation is the opposite, that most women in Thailand are pretty much normal and show none of these traits. So again my question was, where in the heck do you hang out in Thailand to end up being surrounded by such a quantity of dishonest women?

was more refering to the dishonest part, don't tell most Thai's are honest.

Thai's are about as honest or dishonest as you'll find anywhere in the world.

There are social rules and norms, like anywhere else, which aren't exactly rocket science to figure out. But if a poor sod has left his brain on the plane, like many do, then they are going to struggle to figure out these things.

they are not as honest as others that's rubbish. some are honest but the majority are full of it.

whats that got to do with anything, I'm either with my wife and children or my Trainers.

You don't have to hang out with bar girls just because its Thailand.

You were the one who said that lying dishonest (your words) outnumber the good ones. My observation is the opposite, that most women in Thailand are pretty much normal and show none of these traits. So again my question was, where in the heck do you hang out in Thailand to end up being surrounded by such a quantity of dishonest women?

My experience has been the same as yours, Samran. Why do guys like Muythai always gravitate towards the conniving, lowlife women and then assume all Thai women are like that? Perhaps it's the "birds of a feather...." syndrome.

can you you write down what my Thai friends do for a living please, I would like a complete detailed list, by saying I gravitate towards lowlifes you must know exactly what they do.

give me an accurate list, if you cannot,or if you make a mistake that makes you a liar, you cannot of coarse do it because you cannot so much as even name one of my friends, therefore you just sat here on Thai visa and told a blatant lie.

I will help you, my closest friend moat hosts a soccer show on TV, called Thai football table, other friend is a policeman, we hang out with our partners.

There are more of coarse but don't assume because we talk about what you call lowlifes that we hang with them, that was just your sad pathetic excuse to have a dig rather then just talk normal.

whats that got to do with anything, I'm either with my wife and children or my Trainers.

You don't have to hang out with bar girls just because its Thailand.

You were the one who said that lying dishonest (your words) outnumber the good ones. My observation is the opposite, that most women in Thailand are pretty much normal and show none of these traits. So again my question was, where in the heck do you hang out in Thailand to end up being surrounded by such a quantity of dishonest women?

was more refering to the dishonest part, don't tell most Thai's are honest.

The speak my mind brigade.

'Why do Thai woman who work in the sex industry put statues of Buddha and or spirit houses in their place of business.'

Why not ask THEM?

Me and every body else posting are just guessing.

Thai people have animistic beliefs and they believe that praying and making offerings to kuman tong, Nangkuak. นางกวัก or other similar dieties will bring good fortune. they are not praying to Buddha in a bar.

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so your sure about that yes, ok.

Those places that have the big one in the front, about 7 foot tall must be Buddhas twin, my mistake.

'Why do Thai woman who work in the sex industry put statues of Buddha and or spirit houses in their place of business.'

Why not ask THEM?

Me and every body else posting are just guessing.

I have, you can't get a straight answer from them, they simply say for luck, that is again against Buddha's teaching as well.

Before everyone who scours every post looking for ammo jumps on me, I don't go to bars or brothels, but I do talk to them if there around, i'm not above them.

My friend has 3 of those side walk bars near cowboy, they don't really know much more then good luck bad luck.

red alert another bar girl thread crosses the wires. Yawn

yawn says nana cowboy, whats the middle name patpong.

"The reality is almost all have opted for the easy road, kicking their morals to the curb, unfortunately they wind up broke anyway with more then a few issues"

MT, trying to think this through but having problems............

In your view, how many girls work the bars compared to the female population (working age) of Thailand?

With those figures in mind, where is the reality mentioned above?

<deleted> I'm saying Bargirls, I'm not saying most thai girls work in bars, I'm only talking about the Thai Sex worker community.

What is so hard to understand, read what i'm writing dude not what you think I mean.

It goes far deeper then the Third precept.

That's kind of a cop out not explaining why...

This topic interests me, so I would like a further explanation if you have one..

totster

Can you be more specific?

What specifically do you want explained?

good question

A very small percentage of the Thai sex workers work from bars.

Many Thai girls who aren't sex workers do work in bars.

so would you like us to explain to you what we are talking about, everyone else seems to understand we are talking about sex workers not wait staff.

try to keep up.

"It has became very obvious that the vast majority of TV members despite living in Thailand somehow have convinced themselves that Thai Woman have no choice but to work in a Bar."

Really, I don't see that at all. I would certainly challenge that it's true. I think a very large number of members are involved with Thais who don't work in bars. Also, the vast majority of members know that a very small proportion of Thai women work in bars, and particularly as sex workers, and they're intelligent enough to see the numbers just don't make any sense to back up your assertion.

"Despite slave Woman, There is always a choice, you get a job even if the hours are long, the work tedious, the pay is low but you get by with your sanity and self respect intact."

Unfortunately, there's not always a choice. You make it sound like getting a job is easy and that everybody should conform to your opinion of what is acceptable employment. Some people choose to work in bars without feeling that they've compromised their self-respect. In other situations, girls (and boys possibly) are basically forced by their parents to go to Pattaya and make quick money for the family..

"Or you take what you at the time believe to be the easy, lazy road and sell your self, resulting in mental issues of various kinds in most if not all Bargirls, and lose you self respect."

Once again, you're deciding for these people that they don't have self-respect and that they're lazy. Perhaps that's spurred on by a very conservative upbringing with a narrower perspective of life than others. Would you believe that some of the people who work in the sex industry actually enjoy their job and take pride in it?

"The reality is almost all have opted for the easy road, kicking their morals to the curb, unfortunately they wind up broke anyway with more then a few issues."

You present yourself as a bit of an expert on the subject, and it seems to be one that has significant importance for you, so I'm really curious as to why you have made your post. Do you want us to know that you're a concerned expert, or are you so worried about these people that you want us to offer suggestions about how to stop the oldest profession in the world? I just can't see anything positive or even worthwhile in it.

(BTW, I noticed that many new posts were made while I was composing this, so forgive me if these points have been covered already,)

I never said any tv member is involved with bargirls, read it again please and read it properly as making wrong statements is not good.

I said many believe Bargirls have to do it, I dit not say they were in anyway associated with them.

I had lunch a couple of hours ago.......the four ladies that work in the cafe are each in there own way gorgeous. Age range 20 - 34.

The owner worked for a major airline for years, she's seen it all. Her cousin ( 31 ) is a successful Bangkok photographer who was asked by her Mum to give her cousin a hand setting up the business, she gladly agreed.

The cook is a delightful wee thing that slaves away all day making delicious food in a small business, the twenty year old is comically cute, and is the long term girlfriend of a friend of mine who works in the hotel.

In microcosm, this is my Thailand, full of women getting on with making an honest living. I love it.

Bingo, see, It can be done.

There is work if you want it, I bet those girls were happier to.

Would not know I am not nor have I ever been Christian.

I meant western and/or christian.

Every race creed or colour looks at bargirls in a negative light, some are just more open about it.

It depends on the era.

During Roman times brothels were quite open and it was considered normal to frequent them.

It wasn't until Christianity led to the concept of sex being a sin.

In terms of Buddhism this subject is covered by the third precept:

I undertake the training rule to abstain from sexual misconduct.

The motivating consideration is not the sex is a sin, but that sexual misconduct may lead to harming others or being harmed.

It goes far deeper then the Third precept.

If I write the majority you can only be in the majority if it applies to you so you in fact place yourself there because I don't know you guys.

why did you not place yourself in the minority.

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To the OP, I like some of your work ... you go to subjects beyond the mould.

But, as for this quote ...

It has became very obvious that the vast majority of TV members despite

living in Thailand somehow have convinced themselves that Thai Woman

have no choice but to work in a Bar.

Please don't speak on my behalf.

Regards

David48

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To the OP, I like some of your work ... you go to subjects beyond the mould.

But, as for this quote ...

It has became very obvious that the vast majority of TV members despite

living in Thailand somehow have convinced themselves that Thai Woman

have no choice but to work in a Bar.

Please don't speak on my behalf.

Regards

David48

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I wrote the majority, I did not write all.

The only way it could apply to you is if you class yourself as one of the majority rather then the minority as I did not write all and I did not write david, So your refering to something in my quote that's not actually there.

Would not know I am not nor have I ever been Christian.

I meant western and/or christian.

Every race creed or colour looks at bargirls in a negative light, some are just more open about it.

americans?

Would not know you should ask an American.

Would not know I am not nor have I ever been Christian.

I meant western and/or christian.

Every race creed or colour looks at bargirls in a negative light, some are just more open about it.

Ting tong is not just BG talk, I know a few young uni students that use it and they are quite nice girls.

Statues of Buddha do not belong in a Brothel, You don't have to be religious or understand anything about religion to know that's not right.

As I understand, a brothel is not a place that is more special than a police station full of corrupt cops or a beauty salon where girls go to because of their vanity or a place where people gamble, or a place where people play games for distraction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Buddha_games)... the list of "un-buddhist" activities goes on and on.

Why should in your opinion a bar or a brothel deserve a special treatment?

are you by chance an American?

My wife does not mind if I go to the salon, she would however mind if I went to a Brothel, why do you think that is or should we point out the painfully obvious.

But the reason why your wife wound mind is not because of Buddhism.

I think you are confusing issues, and it would help if you pointed out what supposedly is "painfully obvious" to you, because for me it isn't.

I say this because I suppose that your Western/Christian background makes you view prostitution in a far more negative light than the Thai Buddhists see it.

Would not know I am not nor have I ever been Christian.

chanman, Thai's do dislike The statues in Bars.

Buddha smoked, and that's a fact.

will surely be disputed here like everything but he did.