Eselkaken

Stamps are concidered FAKE as soon as they are put in your pasport in any illegal way.

That means that the stamp itselve can be genuin , but the way it got in the pasport is FAKE.

Imagine you hand over your pasport to an immigration officer that will provide his "service - Thai - style. "

The officer can even 'log' the exit-entry in the computer , but he will not be able to get the picture taken ( unless he holds the pasportpicture for the camera )

In this event , i guess that he used a landborder with "prepared" ( pre-payed ) services.

Remember that in the event an official officer that makes a mistake with the entry-stamp and let's say he notes down a wrong date ( entry + 90 days ) , that stamp can be considered fake as well as it is doesn't comply with the procedures.

On the other hand, if you want to brake the law, just but the stamps and ink at Kow San Bangkok .. for 500 Thb you have a full set.

You're confusing 'fake' with 'obtained in an illegal manner'.

Stamps are concidered FAKE as soon as they are put in your pasport in any illegal way. yes .... either way

Stamps are concidered FAKE as soon as they are put in your pasport in any illegal way.

That means that the stamp itselve can be genuin , but the way it got in the pasport is FAKE.

Imagine you hand over your pasport to an immigration officer that will provide his "service - Thai - style. "

The officer can even 'log' the exit-entry in the computer , but he will not be able to get the picture taken ( unless he holds the pasportpicture for the camera )

In this event , i guess that he used a landborder with "prepared" ( pre-payed ) services.

Remember that in the event an official officer that makes a mistake with the entry-stamp and let's say he notes down a wrong date ( entry + 90 days ) , that stamp can be considered fake as well as it is doesn't comply with the procedures.

On the other hand, if you want to brake the law, just but the stamps and ink at Kow San Bangkok .. for 500 Thb you have a full set.

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I think that even the person that brought the passport to the border should be brought to justice. "Interesting" how these shops can find lookalikes to fool checks at the border.

If the stamps were fake the Passport was not taken to the Border, they were fake stamps not ones issued at the Border

If the Passport was taken to the border the stamps would be real even if the person did not exit/enter, Immigration officials have been known in the past to be involved in this.

I think yourself and others on this thread are missing the point of the story.

There are already 2 running projects :
www.findyourwayin.com

( has app for Ko Samui Ready and now its upcomming for pattaya )

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/koh-samui-find-your-way-in/id549617238?mt=8

Also there is a map : http://www.pattayapeople.zooqi.com/

This is organised by a Pattaya based Company : TO&I co ltd ( near Mabtachan Lake )

Good to follow that progress there

Near bira , some big holes in the highwAy ....

This is also the danger, road Seems perfect and atracts speeding....

And then, a hole .....and a topheavy van, .....Loaded with 10 times 80 kg = 800 kg.moverloaded .....

Rip

That the officers have no authorithy to question you is true, that must go through the Thai government.

If you offer to return and instead they ask for your arrest it looks like you have a good case to bring against the Belgian government.

You have a Point there , My email stating that I offer to return to Belgium, or present me at Belgium embassy , was of 26 October 2012 ,

The warrant was issued the 29th October,

BUT , I do not want the file cases against anyone, I just want to return to Thailand and continue my life

Thanks everybody

I am sure that the Belgium Police could have sent someone here to question the OP at his Embassy, and not bothered with all the stuff about getting him sent back to Belgium, to me there seems to be a bit more to this story.

I asked the question in october 2012 already, belgium police new My adress and telefone in THAILAND....we had conversation arround the item.... IT was not urgent , but necessairy .

Belgium Interconnecting officers , based in Bangkok , do not have authority for questioning ....was told me like this ...

I proposed TO return if Really needed, didnt got an Answer

The hand written in picture 1 (black ink)said that your name is in the Thai immigration database.

So this not necessairy means that this Cannot be changed ?

This is the whole translation.

In picture 1 said that your name appears in Thai immigration database record number S082451(In Thai alphabhet number) your visa was cancelled and you are blacklisted under Thai immigration Act 2522 Section 12 (7) and was allow to leave the country on 26 Jan 2013.

Thai immigration Act Section 12 (7) means that you are threat to the public security and the good moral of Thai people or have warrant issue by foreign government.

here's the link of Thai Immigration Act 2522

http://www.immigrati...t_imm_2522.html

Ok, i looks n the English version of the act section 12(7) :

7. Having behavior which would indicated possible danger to the public or likelihood of being a nuisance or constituting any violence to the peace or safety of the public or to the security of the public or to the security of the nation , or being under warrant of arrest by competent officials of foreign governments.

Indeed , this is My case : being under warrant..... So , i just need TO prove that im not convicted in this case and there was only a warrant TO get My statement in this case against somberen else ....

So, i feel there could be a good chance TO get off the blacklist .....only question stays ....how tolerant and coöperative Will Thai authoritys be in this case ....

The hand written in picture 1 (black ink)said that your name is in the Thai immigration database.

So this not necessairy means that this Cannot be changed ?

Eselkaken, the first thing you should do is find out whether you are blacklisted. Get a translation of that red stamp in your passport, below your last exit stamp. In addition, you can call the IDC in Bangkok – ask for Khun Apple – and she will check on the immigration database if you are on one of the blacklists, or have somebody in Thailand go to the IDC on your behalf to find out.

A lot of foreigners have been deported but not blacklisted, and later returned to Thailand, sometimes as early as the day after departure, without any problem.

Yes maestro , a lot of people returned, but most of them On ' simple ' overstay ... With me there is ( was ) a searchwarant by Interpol ..... What was already seen as " dangerous Alien for Thai community " ......

I know Apple with idc. I ma On a blacklist for reasons here above....

The handwritten text in the red stamp says your name in in some list (probably the interpol list).

So this is not really the RED stamp people talk About ?

My name is is Dirk xxxx , i do not SEe My Thai name คีรีก( Dirik ) xxx

Would it be bad thing to try the thai family thing , or only useless ??

How can I Marie my girlfriend if she is there and I am here ?

Yes, of course I will apply for new passport .....but I cannot change my name he ...

Only it will be empty ( need entry visa stamped ) and the number will be different

I can imagine that old and new passport number will be linked to each other while scanning ....

In all cases , my current visa is nearly full and I would need a replacement one anyway.

That will be empty from stamps ...

I do no want to risk going to Thailand , maybe pass immigration officer when I'm lucky , and then afterwards get arrested for illegal entry in the kingdom, in that case I would have a criminal act on my name in thailand, will be deported again, and then indeed no re-entry possible....

So, before I go back , I really want to get through all the possible steps and get approved before returning.

So,..... Keep me posted ...

Hello guys ,

As of what I can read in your replys , there is hope for my case.

Next week I go to Belgium police to deliver all the proof and extra info I could provide.

I will ask them the same question on how they can help.

Good to feel that my case is not hopeless....

Any info still welcome

Hello Thanks for your reply,

Yes, i have a red stamp in My pasport and a void year permit.

See attached photos.

The girl in migration suvurnabhum confirmed BLACKLISTED as I asked for it

She also said I needed paper from Belgium police.

Now, the investigation is still ongoing and probably I will be asked to return for further explanations and provide more proof against the other guy.

So, police will only declare the no conviction after the whole investigation.

It would and could take soo long, nobody knows how long.

In meantime, I can loose my work , my girlfriend is pregnant to give birth arround 2nd September.

Cannot sell My car or motorbike , ( as they are in my name , ... )

As I'm not working now, I'm not making money , so ..... Escalating problems....

Cannot work in Belgium on a short time basis ..... As I'm not ok with Belgium insurance ....

Is there an in between visa to enter thailand for family matters ? I heard that take care of (thai ) family is high level priority in thai culture....

All the help and info is welcome ...

Hi guys ,

I was in a following situation...and I'm in need of some advice here.

I'm Belgian guy , working and living since 3 years in thailand. ( I have my valid work permit , year visa and all paperwork is ok )

But,..... A police report in Belgium required that I was questioned about facts that another Belgium guy committed . Therefore , (and appearantly Belgium authority's where not aware that I resided in Thailand, ) spread a searchwarrant worldwide through Interpol , in order to question me about this other Belgium guys case . Only questioning, not a case of being involved or guilty in any way...

So, my passport was seized upon my yearly renewal of it and my ready stamped passport was stamped VOID over it. ( because of an existing search warrant )

Next step is that I was brought to IDC ( immigration to be deported to Belgium ) I bought my own ticket and flew back to Belgium.

After questioning me in Belgium about this other guys case , I was free to go and also have my passport back , so virtually I'm able to fly over the whole world..... I'm not arrested or anything.

What can I do to get myself from the thai blacklist , as I also have a pregnant girlfriend , a house, car , my live is there..... My work ,everything.

According to many people, I could not get appeal , so I would stay blacklisted for at least 5 years , but more likely 99 years.

Any help in my case , i didn't do anything wrong in thailand and/or in y own country........

Ps : they searchwarrant by Interpol is withdrawn already .

Thanks in advance ....

Desperate Belgium guy .....