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It really matters not about the terminology one uses when talking with friends.

However, I see it here often when someone is asking for help and is vague, confused or in error about terminology. It takes several posts to sort out the specific issue before precise help or advice can be proved.


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OK. You now want to argue about how it works? We have already had the experts telling me all week none of this will effect extensions of an O-A.

Carry on with however you think it works. I am quite capable of reading Thai Police orders and understanding what they mean. In fact, I am quite capable of reading and understanding Law period.

Over to you

I didn’t realize there was no room for discussion/disagreement here when dealing with a self appointed expert. Sorry.

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It doesn't matter regarding the FIRST entry.
1st entries on a new O-A Visa are stamped in for 12 months, no matter if your insurance has only 11 months left.
2nd and subsequent entries are stamped in until the valid till date of the insurance.
Just pay attention to section 4. If you only have say 11 months on first entry and you stay 12 months as per stamp, you MUST renew the insurance before it expires or your deemed on overstay and the stamp is reverted back to 11 months.
 

Your visa O-A or whatever starts on the day its issued.
Forget your request.

Bali will accept Medicare as proof of insurance unlike Thailand when applying for a retirement visa.

I think that if one reads the police report part concerning the expiration of the visa as of the date of the annual expiration of the insurance, it could be difficult, going forward, to actually get one year out of a one year visa.

In that one must have the necessary insurance in force prior to applying for the non imm o-a, which could be a short period, or a more significant time frame prior to the actual departure/arrival date, there seems to be no way to time and match the insurance with the arrival date.

And if, at some point, this insurance requirement expands, it could mean the end of virtually every extension of stay etc in achieving the one year term that was promised and paid for.


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12 hours ago, Don Mega said:

they should accept a foreign insurance certificate.

 

https://longstay.tgia.org/document/overseas_insurance_certificate.pdf

The insurance certificate requires the signature of two directors from one’s insurance company. That sounds like an impossible task to me.

Well, i just got a new OA visa from the London Embassy (just a few days before the insurance was required for the application) and its dated 9th October. Does anyone know if I will be expected to have the health insurance when I go back to Thailand in November? Will immigration really start asking for and checking insurance documents?  Seems unfair if I have to have the insurance when it wasnt required when I applied.(in which case I wouldn't have applied for the visa).

 
The Immigration memo to officers, regarding existing O-A visas, talks about the trigger point being the date of entry into Thailand, not the date the O-A visa was issued.
 
So the way that read was, anyone wanting to enter Thailand on an O-A after Oct. 31 would be subject to the new insurance requirement, seemingly whether they got their visa in early November OR if they got it in early 2019 and are just now using it for their final visa entry.
 

 
The "guidelines" document for the O-A health insurance program on the TGIA website specifically says that foreign insurance policies, if they meet the required coverage amounts, WILL be accepted for the FIRST year.  That's why they have a PDF certification form on the website specifically for foreign insurance companies to fill out on your behalf.
 

I am capable of confusing most anything.
 
Hypothetical question. A person gets an O-A visa in his/her home country after October 31, 2019 and enters Thailand. They then stay for 5 years without exiting by using extensions. Do they continue to need insurance each of those 5 years of extensions? In your view.

I'm one of the unlucky ones.  Been here on a Non O-A for several years.  Others I know have changed to a Non O.
If I understand this, the options are:
1.  Pay the insurance. 
2. Leave to a neighboring country, obtain a Non O visa based on retirement or get in Thailand ?
3. Leave Thailand.
 
I have BCBS insurance that reimburses me for overseas care.  I pay upfront.
This Thai policy is not really something I want to pay for.  
It's taken me a year to accept putting money in a Thai bank (which I haven't done yet as my extension is in January) and then this.  
 
Nice short notice.   555 
 
 
 

2 options for fingerprint background checks:  
 
1.  Fieldprint.com
2. Applicantservices.com
 
Both companies will complete an FBI LiveScan background check.  
The company you choose will be dependent on your location(how far you are willing to drive).  On both sites you have to complete a lengthy application form with a lot of personal information.  Then you choose the date, time and location.  

Do you think you needed the BUPA Plan? I have Medicare but no BUPA.

Same experience here but I think the price has gone up. Used the same FedEx shop across the street to do it all by mail both ways. Very little documentation required when using their service. Lightning fast turn around too. Think I was without my passport for 3 business days. Probably 3rd time I have used them over the years. 

Glad I found this thread. It is pertinent to my situation. I'm heading to LA Consulate for my (US) first Non-imm O-A retirement visa in November. It has been a confounding and crazy-making process so far with all the changes and bad information, and value everybody's experience with this process. 4 copies, 2 copies, 3 copies. Plane ticket, no plane ticket, back to plane ticket. Notary, no notary, fellow at Consulate says wrong, it's all notary, now only med. cert. notary...

Is this process always a moving target? Is this a manifestation rising from the turmoil in Thai Immigration?

I have purchased seven non imm o-a multi entry visas from the LA Thai Consulate via USPS (never been there in person) over the past eight years (most recently in a July of this year) and have seen few, if any changes. Follow the requirements from that specific Consulate’s website and you should have no problems.

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I'm considering getting a nonOA in LA as well.  But, the only place I've found to do the medical certificate here in Las Vegas wants $400.  That seems ridiculous.  Has anyone found a better deal somewhere in LA?
 
Thanks.

21 hours ago, imjmn said:

Then he asked me if I had medical insurance - I told him that I had Medicare but I also have a BUPA plan and he wanted to see the card of which had took a copy.

Of course you know that Medicare is of no value in Thailand. 

Mr Richard Smith is spot on with post ( #10 ). Couldnt have written / explained it any better ;).

Question - I have Blue Cross - Blue Shield which is an international plan and am planning to apply for my first OA visa in Callie. 
 
Anyone else with this insurance and if you will you be able to show an Ins card as proof when applying for Visa.

555! I left because of Trump, believe me, I’m not looking forward to the noise in that regard again. I was referring to American order, structure, efficiency. I am a military person and those things are important to me and are sorely lacking here. 

I was loving that stage, shame it was stopped. 
 
Great attack by Ineos; only Alaphilippe couldn't handle it.
 
Bernal was at another level to the rest on the climb (no pun intended).
 
People are saying great shame on Alaphilippe as he was catching up on the downhill but was he, by a few seconds maybe, but no way was he going to catch Bernal and Yates, and i reckon he would have lost more time on the cancelled final climb to the GC rivals.
 
Alaphilippe apparently is the only GC contender on disc brakes and doesn't it show on the downhill  - can't believe the others dont usw disc brakes.
 
Could Simon Yates have taken his 3rd stage yesterday? He's been brilliant in this Tour.
 
Can only see Bernal leading in to Paris: surely nobody  can take time on him on today's climb.
 
I'm  reckon Ineos 1st and 2nd today.
 
Think they need a better warning system in the Tour. It took ages to get them to stop yesterday.
 
Apart from Alaphilippe being a right poser, he's been breath of fresh air taking on Ineos.
 
Very sad to see Pinot out of it and suffering; surely he was doing more damage to his injury.
 
Best Tour in a long time. Loved watching Sky/Ineos dominating and winning these past years but they smothered the race. 
 
Froome, Thomas and Bernal in Ineos again next season? Can't see that but if it happens who could beat that team?
 

Yesterday’s Stage 18 was absolutely brilliant drama.
 
Great breakaway from Quintana; when he went, he flew away from the leaders, and nobody caught any time up on him. Moves like that is the main reason why I watch TDF. Can’t see the peloton allowing him to go with the breakaway again in the next 2 days.
 
When Thomas went, and they all GC contenders followed, it looked like Alaphilippe was about to crack, and maybe they the attack should have come a bit further down the climb to gain more time on him before they summited, but he hung on and what a descent by Alaphillipe, he looked like a pro and the rest amateurs he was so superior.
 
Thomas getting criticized for attacking and bringing the GC leaders back to team-mate Egan Bernal, but he is the reigning champion so no way was he just going to sit with the others. If he had broken away from them it would have been a brilliant move but as they countered he’s now criticised.
 
Another brutal climbing day today. The BBC Bespoke team still don’t think Alaphilippe can hold on and win. I reckon only Bernal over the next 2 days climbs could catch him, but I now think Alaphilippe will hold on to win it, and he deserves to – he’s been brilliant at every aspect of bike riding on this tour.
 
Sticking my neck out:
1. Alaphilippe
2. Bernal
3. A.N. Other
 
But it really is wide open for anybody of the leading 6 could win it.

This year’s race is turning out to truly be a great one. Not having one strong team control the stages means many attacks and exciting racing. I love it!


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