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1 hour ago, macleans said:

Three southern provinces of Isan i.e., buriram, srisaket, and surin are where the ethnic khmer live.

26 minutes ago, zzaa09 said:

There's more ethnic Kmer/Thais that saturate Surin than of Buriram. 

One could even make a case that Sisaket has more of an Khmer ethnic feel than of Buriram. 

Have you ever heard of Phanom Rung castle? That's a stone based castle, khmer style. It's in Buriram. More than 1,000 years old.

already mentioned other 2 provinces in one of my posts above. but it really doesn't change the argument, does it? nowhere this will be built anywhere else in Thailand apart from those 3 provinces. 

32 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

But when they try to make out that Thailand is a geographical location, a nationality and pretty much a race, then say that X item is "Thai" and any links to any other place or people is false, they are kind of misappropriating that cultural/traditional practice/object.

Who are they? Thai government or Thai people?

The "Thainification policy" has done some damage to some people's knowledge about the "actual Thai history", which is taught at a university level, free from the influence of the government rubbish version taught at school.  

Trust me, social media and this feud with the cambodians over history has led many young Thais to question the history taught at school and done their own research on the Thai history (written by academics, not by government) and discussed it on various social media platforms. The outlook on this will be different in the future.

As with cultural appropriation, i personally think that it really depends on the extent to which the said culture, practice, object, etc. depart from its original form. When the extent is very significant, it means the said X has gone through alot of development and idea generation, I don't think it's wrong to say that such object is Thai. For example, a burmese invented a pair of shoes and they look a certain way, if a Thai came up with a pair of shoes which look totally different from the shoes made by the burmese, i don't think it is wrong to claim it's a Thai style pair of shoes. And the burmese should not call it a pair of burmese shoes. Of course, we need to acknowledge that the burmese is the one that invented the first pair of shoes.

6 hours ago, Burma Bill said:

Tit for tat???? Get stuffed Thailand!!

 

Photos of construction in Thailand of what is perceived to be a copy of Angkor Wat have caused outrage among Cambodian Facebook users...........................................from a post originating in Thailand........................located in Thailand’s Buri Ram province.

Buriram is where ethnic khmer Thais live. Unless you insist that only the Khmers who live in Cambodia have the right to practice khmer culture then ....   

10 hours ago, JCauto said:

Pretty much any dish in Thai cuisine has a corresponding version in Khmer cuisine. They developed in parallel, probably with a lot more influence on the Khmer side during the earlier historical periods when they were predominant. But having lived for long periods in both countries, and having hosted numerous Thai friends' wives at our house for Khmer cuisine, I feel that the closeness of the two cuisines is the single largest indicator that the Thai and Khmer cultures are the closest in the region, as opposed to the Thai and the Lao. Lao food is very different to Thai and Khmer food, they just have similar languages.

They did not develop in parallel. The modern Thai cuisine is heavily influenced by Chinese, Isan/lao, and indian/persian cuisine e.g., pad Thai, pad See-iew, and all other pads. The spicy salads like somtum, and various yum dishes are from Isan. A lot of curry dishes were inspired by indian/ persian curry.

During King Rama 1-4 of Bangkok, there was a tradition that Cambodian prince and prices had to come and live in the royal Thai court for a lengthy period to learn the Thai language and customs. This tradition was implemented to ensure that future Kings of cambodia would be pro Thai (Vietnam was trying to exert influence on Cambodia during those years). When those prince and princes went home, they already had a palate for Thai food. The rest is history.

13 minutes ago, stoner said:

you might not be right about that. a few weeks ago a poster posted a number of links speaking of these very things. it was made pretty clear where it originated. 

Can you please point out the link to that thread?

11 hours ago, Artisi said:

"made up" being the key - ie stolen from others and re-branded as Thai, nearly everything "Thai" has come from Khmer, India, China, Indonesia, Malaysia, Burma etc. 

What is a Thai according to you? 

Thai is a nationality, not a race. Thailand is a multi racial country comprising various ethnic groups. The Tai-kadai live in the north and North and central Isan. I'm sure you are all familiar with them and their appearances. Three southern provinces of Isan i.e., buriram, srisaket, and surin are where the ethnic khmer live. 

Central and west Thailand is occupied by the Mon-khmer group, known as Siamese. This is the original Siamese of Thailand. They founded Ayutthaya. Why are they of the Mon-khmer origin? if you look at the map of ancient south east asia you'll see that central thailand was a big part of the Mon empire, but later became a west side of the Ankorian Empire. These people are Thais with a darker skin tone. 

The south was also home to the mon-indian and malay groups. Surat thani was a some point a mainland center of Sirvijaya empire (capital city on the Java island, indonesia). A recent DNA based study also confirm the history. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41431-018-0113-7.

So, no culture has been stolen. The contemporary Thai culture has been developed through cultural exchanges between ethnic groups who have lived in this land since forever.

12 hours ago, stoner said:

take the muay thai for example. kinda not thai at all. 

Then what it is? Do you practice any form of martial arts at all?

Most SE Asian martial arts including lethwei, Muay Thai, and Muay Lao are similar in their looks, yet they are unique in terms of techniques used to apply moves. Of course, the origin is unclear since there were no borders or countries back in those days. Bokator, on the other hand, has its root in south indian martial arts, since the ancient khmer's culture is Tamil based.

14 hours ago, stoner said:

is most thai culture not *borrowed* anyways.

Most south east Asian culture is. Not just Thai. SE culture is influenced heavily by indian, Persian, and Arab, except to the vietnamese.

This is bokator

Does not look much like Muay boran (traditional Muay Thai)

Muay boran

This is Burmese lethwei

And according to wiki, lethwei is as old as bokator. Many Burmese even claim Muay Thai originates from Lethwei.

In my opinion, Muay boran is much more similar to lethwei as opposed to bokator.

Sport Muay Thai is vastly different from Muay boran, as it incorporates western boxing techniques such as punching, dodging, stance, etc.

kun khmer, the Cambodian version of modern Muay Thai, has just appeared for 20+ years. Many of kun khmer champs were trained in the Thai camps long the Thai-cambidian border. 

I've always bought from iherb, paying around 1,400 to 1,600 baht for each order (not including shipping fee) and never had any issues with import taxes. I've also noticed that iherb doesn't include shipping fee in their custom declaration on the  side of a box.

As for buying supplements locally, Shopee has a much larger selection of supplements compared to Lazada, and they are generally cheaper on Shopee too.

27 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

You need to read more.  There are 3 people, 2 women in one report and this one a Male.

 

https://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/2020/08/19/hospital-finds-virus-case-outside-quarantine-officials/

You need to read it more carefully. Khaosod said there was a misidentification and that the suspect was actually a woman. That update is located right before the first paragraph, but there's an ad link hanging over the first half of it.

7 hours ago, chrisinth said:

Why are you reffering to the infected person as a female when the OP is talking about a male?

4 hours ago, Nanaplaza666 said:

You talk about a she while in the story above they talk about a he so ??? 

34 minutes ago, PETERTHEEATER said:

Er, this thread is about a man not a woman......

Both suspects are female. It was incorrect reporting by the Nation. The details of the second suspect weren't released at the time I posted.

5 minutes ago, DavisH said:

Infection spreads quickly -  symptomatic cases will appear quickly and spread rapidly, as seen in New Zealand. They appear t have contained it somewhat, with a lockdown of Auckland. Had those cases really been positive in Thailand, I would suggest symptomatic cases would have appeared quickly. 

That's exactly what I've been thinking. This virus's highly contagious. If there were an outbreak, there would be many of both asymptomatic and symptomatic cases, and the latter group would definitely emerge.

Having said that I think the Thai government realises there're risks for future outbreaks in Thailand as the authority can't completely control illegal border crossing. That's why they're still actively encouraging people to keep wearing face masks.

9 hours ago, Thaiwrath said:

The Thai returning to Japan, is a classic case, not tested here, but tested positive on arrival there !

Wrong. They were false positives. According to the Japanese health authority, the second and third PCR tests (the saliva tests were used at the airport) confirmed those two suspects were in fact negative for covid 19.

According to the original article in dailynews, the survey was done last year (2019) in nakornsrithammarat, not nationwide. And it was hookworms rather than tapeworms that were the major culprit. There was no mention of tapeworms at all in the original article. Thaivisa news mistranslated it.

I believe veggies sold in reputable supermarkets are safe, but rinsing in still required just to be on the safe side.

Iherb shipped my order on 2 March via SF express. However, it got stuck in SF's HK warehouse for around 1 and a half months. So, I emailed iherb's customer service to ask for a refund as I felt I would never receive it due to the current situation and I wasn't notified about the potential delay at the time I made my order.

Iherb replied saying that SF had suspended their shipping services to Thailand and that SF would request Thai Post to take over and send the their remaining packages via Taiwan. I received my order yesterday via DHL. No idea why it was DHL rather than Thai post.

This story is true. He was telephone interviewed last night on a Thai TV show. I watched it, and what he said during the interview  is exactly the same as what Daily News reported. He's currently being treated at a private hospital because the authority hasn't been able to find him a bed. There is a shortage of beds for covid patients right now.

7 minutes ago, maprao said:

Apparently  factory workers and farmers is the bs they feed people. If they have proper Immigration status they are.

The illegals are mostly working in massage parlors. 

Many of them are men. There are more than 140,000 illegal Thai workers in South Korea. How many parlors do you think needed to employ all of these workers?

7 hours ago, webfact said:

The director told Channel 7 that he had received so many complaints from the students themselves that homework was ruining their lives, making them stressed and causing them not to want to go to school. They didn't even understand their homework.

This has to be a wind-up by a Channel 7 news writer. I watched the whole interview this particular sentence was not mentioned by either the director or the student interviewees. In the interview, the director sounded quite decent in terms of his visions (I'm not a big fan of Thai teachers btw). The kids looked particularly excited because they think they would have more time for extra curricular activities such as music, sports, etc. or have time to make academic improvements on what they have actually learned in the class.

1 hour ago, Domissan said:

I do not think Thais understand how racially offensive they are to Westerners by openly referring to them as Farrang bak see dah etc.

Farang by itself generally isn't an offensive term.

The most commonly accepted theory in Thailand about the origin of the term "farang" suggests that Thais borrowed this term from the Arabs who started trading with the kingdom of Siam hundreds of years ago. The Arabs called the Franks, who were the French ancestors, "Farangi". As the French were the very first group of westerners who Siam contacted centuries back, they used this term to refer to the French. The Siamese extended usage of the term "farang" to refer to other westerners who arrived years later.

The word farang at the time and mostly in today's usage is not a racial slur, just like the word "Orientals" that westerners used to call East Asians. It is shorter and, hence, more convenient to use, especially when they don't know where the person in question comes from -- vs. chow tawon tok (westerners), khon ungkrit (English), khon farang-sed (French), etc. 

The term farang can sometimes have an offensive meaning when a term "tah narm kaow" (literally describes the light color of westerners' eyes) attached to it e.g., farang tah narm kaow.

9 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

I was almost giving you a "like" for a well written post, then i went back and read the other posts, and i could not find "hatred towards Thais" or "happiness" for such a sad event.

 

Maybe hatred wasn't the right choice of word. I was referring to those who wrote sarcastic replies and those who gave these relies likes and laughing emojis.