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I realize this Thaivisa report originated with Thai PBS, but I must point out: IT IS NOT "HAZE". It is SMOG, or it is AIR POLLUTION. And while the Prime Minister General and others are calling it dangerous, the Tourism sector is downplaying it,,,, "haze", how utterly ridiculous, shame on them.
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And so it began, and so it advances: now it's the MEDIA that is criticising free speech! I'm amazed this article is in The Nation newspaper. This "reporting" is inflammatory and really could be labelled a rant, devoid of heart or fairness, and rather full of malice.
1) Where does the analogy to "The Ugly American" come from? THE AUTHOR, Thanong Khanthong. And by extension, the Editors at The Nation that approved it. While I suppose it is creative writing, it is out of place, and quite biased, for remarks made only about whether there is fair treatment of a former Prime Minister, and urging Thailand to end martial law and return to democracy. Fine, talk about that; those remarks. But bringing in this Ugly American analogy is not helpful to dialogue and -- if anyone cares -- insulting to Americans in Thailand, or anywhere for that matter. I am going to contact my consulate about this, and also The Nation newspaper. Thailand has strong laws on libel and slander. UGLY AMERICAN? I shall not say the reverse insult to you Mr. Khanthong, but I very well may be thinking it.
2) As a former journalist myself I would like to question these statements by The Nation: "Many Thai's reacted with fury", and "Russell's remarks hit a nerve with many Thai's" and "enraged many Thai's". Three very strong statements, alluded to as fact. Okay, if that is true, publish some QUOTES, as a good and fair-minded journalist normally would. Or, how about showing the "fury" in a photo? Surely Thai's have taken to the streets and are burning USA flags and lynching Obama effigies?
By the way, the quotes that ARE offered here are much more "Thai-style", and not inflammatory or slanderous: Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha commented that "It saddens me that the United States does not understand the reason why I had to intervene and does not understand the way we work, even though we have been close allies for years." And likewise, Deputy Foreign Minister Don Pramudwinai kept a level head and had nothing inflammatory to say. And yet, we have the Ugly American theme. This is not just shoddy journalism, it's reprehensible. I hope you're taken to task by someone.
3) In yet another shocker for this article, the author engages in his own analysis of American foreign policy, bringing in simplified criticism of US relations with Cuba, Egypt, Ukraine, and Saudi Arabia. Decrying -- obviously with rancor -- some remarks by Assistant Secretary Daniel Russel about Thailand, yet himself "sticking his own nose" into another country's affairs in a critical way.
But here is my perhaps surprising response: THAT IS PERFECTLY OKAY, criticise all you want! In my country it is called "Free Speech" and it's embedded in the Constitution. Don't malign the questioner man, try answering the question.
Unfortunately, free speech seems increasingly not tolerated here in Thailand, and could -- I hope not -- possibly get worse if not guarded more diligently. Perhaps this is a wake-up call that other governments, ex-pats and open-minded, freedom-loving Thai's need to speak out MORE.
Lastly, I want to mention again that it is very interesting in Mr. Khunthong's The Nation article, that the quotes from government ministers are rather benign, though making their point, and it is the MEDIA, (which in most countries are champions of free speech) that are indignant and apparently, "full of fury." I'll be interested to see any fallout or apology for this article. Perhaps some Thai's will actually heed outside advice, rather than throw mud at it like spoiled teenagers.
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I've been sitting at the computer in silence, head down, thinking hard, "What can I write that will summarise this situation and be helpful to all concerned, Thai and Westerner? I've come up with this: Thailand gets among the lowest marks for English speaking ability not only in ASEAN, but among other countries worldwide. Such a time as this is NOT a time to debate quality or degreed qualifications for English teachers. It IS a time when MORE TEACHERS ARE NEEDED; desperately. There needs to be a special "Teachers Visa" and, along with a background check, it needs to be easy to obtain. The Thai's need to adapt their cultural mentality of requiring degrees for this and that, and simply require a TEFL certificate. FOR SUCH A TIME AS THIS they need to quickly raise the English proficiency of students, tourism professionals, and business people. I find hope in today's edict from the General. There can be a perfect marriage on the near horizon: A "teacher's Visa" that is easy to obtain, thus helping (English speaking) ex-pats live here legally and worry-free, while creating an influx of teachers to RAISE the English abilities of the lovely and intelligent Thai people. I offer a small file of my artwork titled, "The Burden" to possibly inspire people to help make life easier for each other, not more difficult.
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This is absolutely incomprehensible.... of course it's not true.... it would be too easy, eh?! What I know from a few years living (legally) in Thailand is that the "fine line" between helping the Farang, being polite, accommodating -- dare I say welcoming, encouraging -- and the opposite... terse edicts, hard-lined policies, multi-layed, Thai-centric immigration laws and policies MUST BE HELD. Watch for clarification in the coming days. This is by far a too friendly and helpful statement; it shall not last. Thai government and immigration are tightening, restricting. A friend of mine, who runs a small but wonderful children's home with his wife, plus goes off teaching English in schools every day, speaks fluent Thai... spent TWENTY hours over three days last week just to get his blasted Visa renewed. Can you imagine? This is how they treat an amazing, dedicated Farang and his family?? To quote U2: HOW LONG? HOW LONG? HOW LONG TO SING THIS SONG?
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I suppose if the adopting, biological parents can afford to, the solution is to bring the pregnant Thai woman out of the country to have the child. Hmmm, will pregnant women soon be stopped and interrogated by police or military at airports, suspected of being a surrogate??
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I'm surprised I am not reading this point here: The baby is BIOLOGICALLY related to the foreigner. An agreement had been made, a contract signed. In hearing that it has "now been declared illegal", I can deduce that it has been up until now, legal. They cannot just shut it down so suddenly now. Let me re-phrase that: they should not just shut it down suddenly. Even if it is non-biological adoption, I think the contract/agreement should be honoured if all parties still want to honor it. In most countries (probably not Thailand, because Thai biology is of course superior) the biological parent would have some RIGHTS in the case. This is not a case of human trafficking of some sort, it is a case of the human rights violation of the adopting, biological parent who had a legitimate agreement. If the government wants to halt this practice that is fine with me, probably a good idea. But once again this year there is a hard line execution of the policy. I cannot help but think a large part of the problem is what is written above, "The Thai's are rushing to...." Well, that statement, time and time again, holds the main problem. They don't rush well.
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Here is my op/ed piece on this subject: This current "Visa Crisis", or crackdown is a perfect opportunity for Thailand to improve the teaching of ENGLISH in the country. And we all know this needs A LOT of improvement, correct? The "win-win" situation I can see in all the upheaval here is to actually make it easier for foreigners to obtain a Visa... as long as they register and can prove that they are active in teaching English at a language school, tutoring program, or normal school. I am aghast, shocked that some people are suggesting tightening the standards for teachers at such a time as this when test scores are abysmally low. What are you thinking?? Need to professionalize the work force more? No, no, no. Look up the word "crisis"! What Thailand needs is ANY warm bodies that are excellent (prefer native) speakers of English who can take a one-month certificate course and spread throughout the land far-and-wide, and start a turbo-charged process of upping the English language proficiencies of Thai's! As I said last week in a post here: If the lips can move, they're a native -- or excellent -- speaker of English, and they can pass a BACKGROUND check.... hire them immediately, GRANT THE VISA, fill out the work permit, etc. I'm nor sure there is a Thai word for this, but EXPEDITE, man! I suggest the Thai's adopt this attitude: "You want to stay in our country Farang? Okay, here is your Visa, no problem... now prove you are teaching English at least part-time and we'll be HAPPY (the land of Happiness remember!) to have you stay. There really should be a special "Education" visa, and it should be streamlined for a while. Forget this "Non-Immigrant Business Visa",,, make teaching English as easy as studying Thai at a language school! Truly, which one is of more value to the Thai people? And the fact that it helps Farangs who love this country and want to live here is a very nice bonus.
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1) The LONG overstay crackdown does make sense. But surely there will be "grace" (for which the Thai's are at times known for) period for those who for some situation miss by a few days?
2) 20,000b fine or JAIL for not carrying a passport on you? For non tourists who live here properly, seems rather ridiculous. What is next, a yellow star to wear on one's arm?
3) The way I understand it, the HOST (hotel or landlord) is the one responsible for registering the place a foreigner stays. Has this changed? Maybe someday they'll hand you a micro-chip in a card (or, "this won't hurt a bit!", snip it under your skin) and then they can track foreigners wherever they go! (Oops, I've just given a welcomed idea?)
4) As one who has lived in northern Thailand for four years, I've basically seen a friendly attitude from the police and military. Hardly ever been stopped at the many police checkpoints, the exception being a few occasions when I had an Asian person with me. They see a Farang? Wave 'em through and "have a nice day". Basically has seemed like we have some "Puyai" status, nice!
5) Thailand is quite behind the region, which is quite behind other regions, in English language fluency. I have met school kids who can seemingly only repeat, "I am fine, and you?" and I've even met University graduates with whom I can have only a halting conversation with, and then ask, "What was your major at Uni.?" ENGLISH of course! So... why is this? One huge reason is lack of NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKING TEACHERS. So, what is this BS about advanced degrees needed? At this point they need any farang passing a background check with lips that can move! Don't they realize anyone with an advanced degree from the West would be making only 20% here of what they could make back home, and also less than surrounding Asean countries? As long as there is a background check, they need to OPEN the gates, not restrict them!
6) In spite of the apparently insatiable need for bureaucracy, bureaucrats, office workers, long lines and reams of paperwork, I still hold out that Thailand is a gracious place, the land of Smile (and Happiness, too, woohoo!), and that these issues will settle down to once again make visiting or living in Thailand a great experience for foreigners. With todays fast-travelling news via websites, social media, and word-of-mouth, one could say there is potential for a marked (and monetary) decrease in visitors -- and international respect -- if this tightening goes too far.
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"'The interim charter also sought to prevent an individual or a group of people from dominating the entire MPs of a party to the extent that they cannot think by themselves but have to be submissive to their boss,' said Bovornsak."
I've lived in Thailand four years now and was told of this "block voting" mentality in year one. Haven't heard much about it since. A knowledgable Thai explained to me that "Thai democracy not like western democracy, MP's and other elected officials are all under some kind of boss, puyai, and will be told how to vote, or at a local level, what decisions to make." There is a "trickle down" of power of Puyai's from BKK, and an elite that have run this country for years. My own thoughts: Thaksin was OUTSIDE this system and this is the reason he and others are so vilified; it's not really the "business corruption." Well, even though it may just be rhetoric, it's nice to see the above quote on here as they (supposedly) deal with "corruption" of all sorts. Did I say "all sorts"? Surely it shall be so?! (I will leave the quote about "cannot think for themselves" alone for the present.)
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Goes to show that rainstorms can be spotty and dangerous in Thailand. Here in Chiang Mai, it hardly rained at all. So it's easy to say this headline is indeed sensationalist and overblown. However, it sounds like there was a large amount of rain in SOME areas... and who could predict where those will be. As much as I hate to admit it, maybe there is some good from these overly dire warnings... storm squalls can indeed cause problems. And yet, I agree that often these warnings seem overblown. TIT!
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maybe they should also warn not to burn forests anymore, big cause of mudslides
Didn't you hear? Two years ago an impressive group of Thai scholars and researches concluded that landslides and flood were caused by TRIBAL PEOPLE planting crops in the hill country. It's not the RAIN of course.
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A map would be nice, showing the location and path of the storm cell. Or perhaps a link to such a thing. Thanks.
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To the Editor: Bomb "ROCKS "the capital?? IS THIS A TABLOID, IS THAT THE IDEA? As a former photojournalist in the newspaper business, I find this word usage inflammatory and irresponsible. It was a small grenade, leaving a little dent in the cement, damaging some tyres, and NO injuries. Don't tell me it was a 'psychological" rocking of the capital, I don't buy that either. In these trying times of heightened tensions and divergent political viewpoints, I suggest more MODERATION in the choice of verbs in your headlines.
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This is very nice, but I'm still waiting for my conversion kit for left-hand drive on my truck from last year, sheesh!
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"It's no coincidence the Taliban use the Toyota Hilux. They are bullet proof (not literally) so to speak." Hahaha, QUOTE of the week! Thanks for making me laugh. Would make a great quote for your guests when you pick them up: "I bought this Toyota because the Taliban uses them. They're bulletbroof so to speak. Well, not really. Uh, I mean we won't have to worry about that. We're not going anywhere near the protests. Welcome to Thailand!"
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Hmmm, with this secondary anti-governemt group also becoming a huge, critical issue, one would think the Amazing Thaksin would make it go away with his vast financial resources. Ironic that this potential death-knell to the gov't is not so much political, as being from the poor farmers and of a financial/business nature!
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The Lanna Kingdom has deep historical roots, you might be wise to pay attention. Perhaps the new version would work better with Laos and Burma than the smug Bangkokians do.
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The cold snap coincides with the protesting, eh? Well there you go... extreme demands by protesters lead to extreme weather conditions. And they say this will hurt the rice harvest. Be careful everyone, "You reap what you sow."
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Thank God he had a friend with him, and one who could help a bit, kudos to that young man! The main concern I have for you is the psychological paranoia this attack may generate for your son, especially if it was truly random and surprising. Is he now going to worry about every motorbike overtaking him while he rides a bike or walks? (Perhaps only at night.) As one post pointed out, IF this were somehow provoked, either by "party talk", or perhaps by some inane gesture or look, then the lad may actually be better off psychologically, because it wasn't "random from behind", and there was actually a triggering action, albeit inadvertent. Don't know if you'll get the real truth out of a 17 year old with his teenage buddy, but it's an important question about truly random or not. Fortunately, he probably knows the answer in his heart. I just hope that he's not emotionally scarred from this, raising up pain whenever he looks at his facial scars or rides a bike at night. It's a tough, tough situation and my prayers are with you.
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You'd think some of these countries would study Panama... well-known for wanting to ENCOURAGE foreign retirees and part-timers. In Panama, one can not only OWN property, but there are even incentives, like no property taxes for 20 years! Also, there is a special card that entitles the ex-pat to discounts on lots of purchases: 15% at many restaurants, and up to 40% on rental cars, hotels, shopping, bus and plane travel, etc. A foreigner is also allowed to import a car FREE of tax/duty every two years. Health care is good there, with many doctors being trained in USA since they owned the canal for so many years. One can only dream "The Land of Smiles" might actually study other countries and see how to make things better here... whether that is democratic and election reform, or how they treat foreigners who want to live here. Like I said, it's purely a dream... the skeptics among you saying Thailand will never set aside pride to study foreigners. But Rama V did it well, maybe there is still hope. But meanwhile, MYANMAR could vault, leap way ahead of Thailand by adopting a more Panama-style relationship to foreigners. Otherwise, maybe I'll brush up on my Spanish language and pay another visit to my Panama friends.
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WOW! This is awesome! I thought I was the only one with the idea to call it "The Rai". I have a mild hearing loss, and as a resident of Chiang MAI, I sometimes have a difficult time telling if the speaker (whether Thai or Farang) says MAI or RAI... it's just TOO similar. Because Thai's as a whole are so fond of nicknames, I thought it would be good to have a nickname for Chiang Rai.... yes, I thought of "The Rai" about a year ago... swear I never heard it called that until reading this today. I think it has a classy ring to it, and there are others: The Hague, The Big Apple, KL, LA, SanFran, BKK, etc. I don't know Chiang Rai well, but it does have some charm in a great mountain area of northern Thailand. I say, keep going on that nickname!
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Two things are for sure about these attempts to overthrow the government: 1) I was here three years ago when the red shirts were protesting... these current protesters win the award for less peaceful, more violent, less patient, and more (inappropriately) ambitious. And 2) The leaders appear to be much better at propaganda with today's declared "victory." And the government itself should win another award for propaganda, announcing they are assuring other countries of their patience and restraint! I would hope that "other countries" are calling for order and control, not patience. It will be a sham, er, I mean a shame, if the government changes now. It will indeed show, like many western posts on this forum are saying, that Thai's are unwilling/unable to back true Democracy. Oh, by the way, Happy Birthday to all those born this month of December.
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The current government is "ruining the country"? Any comments on that? I live in Chiang Mai,,, things are pretty good here, a lot of construction, people seem happy as they work and are out and about, new cars and new motorbikes are on the streets. Isn't this just political power grabbing? Don't you think the opposition "yellow" were just waiting for a big mistake (the amnesty bill) by the Yingluck government? WHAT, really, are "the people" upset about? Seems like these protesters are just party loyalists following their leader; minions. I hope there is discussion amongst the supposedly educated sector of the country about the following: taking over buildings, shutting down commerce, lighting busses on fire is NOT DEMOCRACY. In much of the west, inciting riots by words, even within "free speech", is indeed illegal. Announcing you are ordering your followers to take over government buildings is NOT democracy, it is dictatorial, an frankly, A LOT scarier than a businessman/politician involved with money corruption. Other countries need to start lecturing these people, not just come here for their holidays. Maybe the Thai's will respond to international shaming.
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Ha, finally a bit of positive change on this old-world game of border crossings as opposed to the more rational (is there a word for that in Thai, I doubt it) idea of simply going to an office and paying a fee. My non-B has just expired and I was about to organise my every-two-weeks trip from Chiang Mai to Mae Sai. Now.... getting 30 days like 5 years ago, GREAT NEWS! However, I recall that the one good thing about the 14-day "walk" rule was that it was unlimited, whereas the old 30 day walk had a limit to it, either 2x or 3x. I would appreciate any news on how many times one can use the 30 day visa... it may be limited again.
Tourism rebounds after martial law ended
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"Tourism rebounds" is a lot different than "Tourism EXPECTED to rebound." I am so tired of these idiotic, misleading headlines. If it's a quote from the article that is one thing, but it's not. Who is writing your headlines? Interns? Retired farmers from South Alabama? Ex-pat steelworkers from Manchester? If you're this far off in your summary headline, how can I trust anything else you write? No wonder I hardly look at Thai visa anymore. You need to be more factual, not more sensational. Or change your name to "Thailand Enquirer."