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Its annoying I cannot edit the original post as the picture needs to be resized as the horizontal schrol is necessary to read the text now.

hahaha no im not delaying my purchase on account of the linear gear shift, my main concern is clarifying whether the changes mazda made to improve the small offset crash test

were implemented in Malaysia and not just to appease the USA market which refers to IIHS standards, Going off the Thai market alone wouldnt inspire confidence but if Malaysia exports

to australia or some other market with more stringer safety concerns that be of interest.

You are correct about the added safety of the gated design, I dont like the look of the gated one which is likely also why it is no longer featured in europe, down under or in the states, It looks as though it was lifted

out of the captiva, much prefer the silver accents of the linear and leatherette pouch which complements the logically appointed interior. which i felt was relatively higher rent than the crv, rav4 and the angular

busy kuga.

I noticed the mazda6 which essential shares many components and has a near identical interior, recently recieved a sport mode on their automatic just 4 months after recieving the linear

automatic transmission. Im assuming the same will be for the cx5 since it would help drivers not wanting to have to shift in manual mode or to overcome the fuel saving tendancies of the transmission

that some critics have not cared for.

With the diesels large reserves of torque in lower range this isnt even a concern, also seems mazda have finally rectified the oil risisng issues regarding the dpf, im hoping that the car can still passively regenerate

through a hard or long run, so as to avoid the active regeneration which leads to diesel diluting the oil and the rise.

I have read plenty of articles berating the awd system as noneffective in most driving, my experience when driving the awd was that it was much more positive to drive with respect to the weighted feel

the fwd i drove on slalom and on circuit felt planted and body roll was well controled but the awd enhanced the feedback with some oversteer in corners, with the added weight of the awd,

youd be better off with the diesel which is likely why the european lower output diesel comes fwd and the higher output awd like the one here.

Heavy steering isnt for everyone, I liked the x1 for its heavy steering and bought v6 escape over a decade ago for its relatively heavy steering rather than just its power advantage over the 2.3l

Heard that a new minor change will be comming for mazda and it wont be for just the autotransmission, apparently the 2.0l will now be able to sip e85 like the maz3 which share its powerplant, that is

something which would be worth considering for bangkoks stop and go urban commuters who really dont need the extra power of the 2.5 which isnt available till you travel higher up the rpms.

will be waiting for confirmation that the safety revisions were implemented globally.

The relatively affordable prices of fixing a car in thaland means that wrecks that would of been writeoffs find their way back on the road with the buyer none the wiser. That in addition to the flood really puts a damper on the improved second hand car values which reflect the 1st car 100k scheme, If I only had 650k or less for a car id roll dice on a second hand car than some b segment car with minimal safety and refinement. center drivers armrest is a big ask for the b segment it seems.

currious if anyone has experiences with Testcar, I notice some tents use them to reassure buyers but how thorough is the test and would it uncover if the car had been in a flood and car components are still largely intact, ie airbags, lights, etc.

Id will try to confirm that Mazda malaysia has infact improved the structure and implemented the revised airbag deployment.

this was the cx5 for 2013 model year made up till october of last year (for the usa market, but what about other markets?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CinKckGDdAg

This was for the cx5 of 2014, much better performance in test which went from poor to good and earned the car a top safety pick plus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orjnxdOKgK4

I am going to try to confirm that mazda malaysia have implemented the revisions to production and that the october date was a global change rather than one for the usa market only.

While the Thai market misses out on some non essential options like the sunroof and blind spot monitoring, its worth pointing out that mazda does not implement changes in a traditional mid model life refresh like Ford or Honda, they change things to production quite frequently, this is why there was a 2014.5 and a 2015 model refresh which is being talked about online. Apparently europe got memory functions on the drivers seat and some other changes, but the one of interest for me because mazda malaysia have it for their market, is the linear shifting automatic transmission, I think it looks higher rent than than the gated auto transmission which is standard accross all trims in thailand.

I called mazda malaysia who told me the gated transmission was standard for their 2.0l

But now the Malaysian 2.5l has the linear transmission as do all cx5 2014.5's autos in other markets

I believe Thailand is lagging behind, as the current cx5s that i have seen do not appear to have implemented global revisions done elsewhere,

My main concern is confirming the malaysian cx5's have had production conform to the revisions evidenced in the testing above,

by the way do you guys prefer the gated or linear automatic transmission?

The mazda 3 looks a more upmarket on the outside than their japanese rivals, certainly the interiors are more plush, was not impressed with the new honda city and civic minor change, both very tacky hard plastic mass market vibe to me other than the power adjustable seats and nice soft touch points on drivers door and arm rest (which are welcome comforts previously reserved for the d seg class)

The maz3 inside looked and felt good, the switch gear although unfortunately stripped down even in s+ top hatch trim, but the black and white interiors are a nice touch compared to the sea of solid black only available to the cx5. Sedan is better looking of the 2 but both sedan and hatch look very good with KODO being much easier on the eyes than the previous Nagare joker smile language, I think given how stripped down the maz3 here is however unless youd have your sights set on a lower spec affordable trim or want to smile at the pumps with e85 compatability to not be be tempted to stretch a little more for the 1.2m 2.0c or 1.3m 2.0s cx5s because they have more road presence, clearence, spacious airry cabin, and are more equipped than the maz3 which as beautiful as it is you get more car for the money with the cx5, definately a class above despite some of my criticisms for the cx5 in other threads.

Lots of large lorries on Thai roads outside of city, colliding with them is more likely and comming off worse, near certainty

Trailer guards to prevent underide in Thailand are largely cosmetic

My concern with Utes and PPVs is the lack of curtain airbags and often the absense of vehicle stability control to help reduce the chance of rollover with this type of vehicle with higher center of gravity, ESP helps but rollover still occurs as it did with early explorer and bronco II days

MRO is absolutely right, cant repeal law of physics with respect to weight and ride height in crashes, here are some others to this point.

Buying second hand is crazy in Thailand. The prices are so high, better to buy new. 900,000 buys a nice new car with a 3 year warranty.

Yeah maybe ,i see most of the people they prefer brand new car

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I would check some used classified websites especially one in particular which has a lot more private sellers than dealers who will mark up the price and have a greater interest and experience covering up damage. Given the low cost of labour here and high cost of cars a lot of what should be write offs end up going back on the road, the recent flood is also cause for concern. Warantee on new cars does afford some peace of mind and assurance. But given how little legal recourse there can be, and given the cheap labour mentoned earlier i feel second hand cars are a good proposition if you get a good one. I would check any car using Testcar to verify chasis and could also run it by a local honda dealership to make sure airbags and other features are entact.

it is a buyers market now, partially due to the abundance of second hand cars due to the 1st car rebate policy.

The gen 8 accord you mentioned is a great second hand value, especially at 650-700k for the 2,4EL with 70000-90,000 avg km (EL came with VSA and 8 airbags unlike the E trim) including the curtains which are the ones missing from 90 percent of whats on the road, the same ones which turn side impact iihs and ncap ratings of the same car from poor to good.

Disregard the advice telling you a new compact car like the city which has finally got VSA in top trim but with a mere 2 airbags and so barebone the b segment class lacks drivers center armrest will serve you better than an accord which listed for over 1.6m and selling for nearly 1m less. The one you were considering is more expensive but given the low km and 1 year warantee might be worth the premium, either way compared to the list price 700-900k for an accord is a lot more car for the money if you try to mitigate the inherent risks of buying second hand in thailand with respect to patched up writeoffs, flood exposed cars etc.

No i wouldnt pay 10mb, but id consider buying one after its value depreciated.

I think buying a sport car which is comparatively less practical than a sedan makes more sense given the lack of affordable locally assembled alternatives. I bought my 350z when the price came down following the 370z release and after the car came out of warantee saving quite alot. Will eventually replace it with a GTR when those prices come down. If I was to buy a new sedan, id buy that new Crown for just over 3m and enjoy rwd refinement or a locally assembled german car to miss out on some tax.

I dont see the harm in treating yourself if you have the money to throw down on a overpriced car especially if you chose to miss out on other lifestyle choices like whoring out every other night in the bar scene im sure that adds up over the years, or buying a boat you use 2 times a year. For those who enjoy driving, its easy to argue that life is too short to drive something you dont actually want. I dont care about face points but to those who do, obviously driving a 10mb car ensures your purchase is going to be exclusive and viewed by people here in a similar way to driving an exotic in europe or down under

What's with all the advertorials

Exactly,

Similar theme to the Breaking News articles featured in the daily mail which shamelessly endorse a me too product or indicate a real problem can best be solved by purchasing the brand that bought the authors 30 minutes.

mazda CX5 diesel as its emmissions free with no DPF

at emmision free diesel even with exhaust scrubbing through urea injection and a DPF,

BTW the CX5 Diesels shipped to Thailand DO come with DPF, so owners will have to deal with the still unresolved issues there. Unfortunately Mazda does not yet offer a 2.5l petrol with AWD as they do in Malaysia, if they offered that with istop and some more colours that be better.

If I got the diesel would definately consider deleting the dpf, only issue would be the need to remap would this require new sensors or would a engine remap likely suffice? Not sure if aftermarket shops will offer this service, shame all the thai ones come with the dpf considering the lack of a MOT which apparently is a visual test anyways so could just bore out the filter and weld it back up for appearennces. Notable improvements to both performance and fuel economy from 2 mates with maz6s and no regen lights or limp mode.

Backlash over Mazda CX-5 diesel oil issues

http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/backlash-over-mazda-cx5-diesel-oil-issues-20120821-24k6w.html

seems like the problem highlighted in this article from august of last year has yet to be corrected, May be endemic to the dpf if other newer cleaner diesels also suffer similar problems, perhaps keep things as is while under warrantee and delete the dpf is the only way to correct the problem. my concern be where to realign sensors and remap following the removal of the dpf. Shame the cx5s imported into thailand with less stringent emession laws have been fitted with a dpf

I was told by mazda australia it was due to an increase in crankcase oil but this makes no sense its due to increase in diesel oil. this is a concern because diesel oil is not designed to lube pistons, rods, crankshafts and engine internals. This would be the same as benzin in engine oil with of course no lube properties. This problem is being downplayed and will negatively impact the engine in time. Checkin oil levels and frequent oil changes is a huge ask for drivers which wont prevent the eventual premature engine wear

I have used the nav in the everest and thought it was fine. I like garmins new 3.0 interface but last i checked the newest one with 3d maps lacks voice recognition. The papago units look good but not sure on their reliability or where to get them, banana IT only carrys their base models. I prefer aftermarket solutions so i can place the unit in the bottom right hand corner of my window which is better for keeping my eyes on road, rather than readjusting to view the inbuilt center console unit.

The fortuner and diesels in general arent that thirsty cruising long distance, its in urban traffic that they drink heavily. The crv will have better driving characteristics and offer a more sedan like ride, if i was packing a lot of weight on my trip then i would rent the fortuner and take out the rearview obscuring 3rd row seats and you now have a cavernous boot.

If I got the diesel would definately consider deleting the dpf, only issue would be the need to remap would this require new sensors or would a engine remap likely suffice? Not sure if aftermarket shops will offer this service, shame all the thai ones come with the dpf considering the lack of a MOT which apparently is a visual test anyways so could just bore out the filter and weld it back up for appearennces. Notable improvements to both performance and fuel economy from 2 mates with maz6s and no regen lights or limp mode.

Agreed the mirage and other eco cars in thailand, no ESP, side airbags, rear discs and other features you get on small cars in other markets, rolling dice with a smaller car but obviously as others mentioned its a still a step up from motorbikes and eco cars of past like the mira. Passive safety not really a concern at the moment so no point to shake up the market when you have a general tit for tat concensus among competitors to keep costs down by skimping features, had no clue my pjs lacked vsa till i saw the new 2014 (only 4x4 trim) finally has it with their recent annual minorchange along with rear discs. A good laugh was to see ford actively marketing the old focus as a 5* NCAP safety rating when that was obviously reserved for focuses with the full complement of airbags among other features stripped for LOS, Chevrolet is actively doing this now for their cruze which comes with torsos like civics and camrys on top trim ltz but lacks the critical curtains, ignorant or low involved buyers for big ticket items is always great business.

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Looks like the pjs refresh will now include the vsc finally like the challenger, still 2 airbags but im assuming the image of a disc brake indicates they will be offering rear discs like the trailblazer rather than the drums like before.

CRV is always a compromise. Better than a fake SUV like a Trailblazer or MU7/X or Fortuner which are overpriced pickups. But not much smaller, and same expensive.

Why not get a Pickup like a new Mazda/Ford/Isuzu/Chevy (all others are old models) and a small car for the city. End price is the same.

I dont see how trailblazers and other ppv'sare fake suv's is it because they have body on frame chasis?, also they arent just pickups with carryboy shells on it given their rear multilink coil spring suspension, can definately see your oppinion for the old mu7 and everest which run nausea enducing softened leaf springs. My pjs has suprisingly good driving characteristics and turning radius stabilizer bars have really tamed some of the bodyroll the triton gets in the corners, a current gen ppv wont compete with the refinement of a d or c segment crossover however.

seems people are mis reading my post ,already have a pick up dmax 4 door 4wd 3.0l 2009 83,000km full service history lovely pearl white top spec{anyone wanna buy}, have also owned toyota vigo 4 door 4wd, these trucks are a bit of a handful for the misses especially manual,we defo want automatic this time round ,since i don't spend as much time in thailand as i used to i am looking for something easier for the misses to drive,where we used to live 4wd drive was needed to get there but now moved so 4wd not even really needed,personally i don't really feel safe in normal size cars on thai roads to many trucks that will just run straight over a normal size car,this is why i was looking at crv,am also considering fortuna auto,and the mitsibushi that looks similar to fortuna both in automatic,

I have used the previous gen crv before as a long term rental, It gets better fuel economy than the CRVII which was very thirsty, I also think the ride quality is much improved and has decent interior space despite its relatively smaller curvier dimensions would indicate. Crossovers like the crv arent going to wade through flooded roads and potholes much better than a sedan, they give you better visibility and you can get more into the boot. If you are doing higher miles and driving into the hills or on bad roads which could be flooded, the dmax or any diesel pickup will serve you better, If you regularly service the oil and change the filter you cant get much more reliable than them. I didnt have any issues with my crv when i drove it. I think your wife will enjoy the easier parking and handling characteristics of the crv which gives you a sedan like ride with slightly higher ground clearence and road presense. I would have her try the 2wd pajero sport as well as she may find that suprisingly easy to handle. I have a few mates whose wives are happy to drive them yet lack the confidence to drive a pickup truck. Gives you the ground clearence, reliability, cheap fuel running costs and road holding presence of a pickup with greater refinement and ease.

if you are checking out second hand, they have the earlier 2.5 2wd autos with low kms going for approximately 600-650k, otherwise go with the new one for 1.2m on finance with all the features like the 5spd, roof ac, etc that mitsu seem keen to piece out slowly every year.

The CX-5 2.5 benzine low end acceleration is mild, othing to shout about. I tried it from 0 to 80km/hr. Sent from my GT-N7105 using Tapatalk

Agreed,

I was expecting better performance than the accord or crv 2.4 and i just didnt feel it. the cx5 2.5l (they didnt have a 2l for me to try) just didnt feel spritely and fast from a stop. It had decent enough midrange but was just acceptable. I have yet to try a diesel but given its premium and dpf issues id be leaning towards the uprated 165hp 2.0s model if i could live with the acceleration, especially because I travel solo 80 percent of the time I drive. The 2.5l with awd would be a more convincing proposition given id be changing the 19" rims and bose speakers for aftermarket anyways.

You source on the Pajero Sport 2014 minor change is correct - it will just be a new front grille which will more closely resemble the all-new Triton styling language when it's released later this year, and an upgraded audio system. Not much else they can do with it - the only thing left in the parts bin is safety features, which the TH market still won't pay for.

No-one has driven any of the next-gen PPV's, so you can only guess.... It would stand to reason that they will all be looking to improve upon current offerings in all major areas (FE, HP, Ride, NVH and handling) though. No chest-beating stories to report on yet.

What we know so far for the next-gen is still pretty limited..

The next Fortuner seems to be a 2016-17 release now (and the next-gen Hilux has been put back to 2015-16). No word on engines for the Toyotas, but a hybrid option is rumored by some, but that could just be some wishful thinking by Toyota fans in light of Mitsu's more public display of their hybrid intentions in the GR-HEV concept.

The Next gen Triton almost certainly releases this year though (H2), with the new PJS following in 2015. Rumors have it the new Mitsu's will have a 2.2L diesel, and a Diesel Hybrid option is almost certain (refer above), but the "HEV" part will likely wait until a 2016-17 minor change.

The next gen Navara also releases this year, with a new 2.3L Renault 200HP diesel engine in the top models. There have been rumors in the past (from Nissan AU sources) that a PPV version of the Navara will also follow, but there's also competing rumors circulating that the new X-Trail (already released elsewhere) will be launched in TH this year, which a PPV Navara would just cannibalize, so until Nissan make a more concrete statement, don't hold out for that one.

Very Informative, We need a new MRO 2014 future trends thread

Amazing how long in the tooth the vigo is and im sure they will still be able to milk the imv given how many new red plate champs and fortuners i see including a neighbors. Have to admit as old as it is, the refreshes help it age well and stay suprisingly relevant. I remember the latest gwagon and strada refresh had them incorporate some of the triton design language so we are definately at that stage again. I saw some recent spy shots of the new triton under wraps being track tested, spent a good 30 minutes trying to find the source but couldnt when i tried to revisit them. Looks like the truck will not be as wild as the gr-hev concept and looked more conservative, Definately interested how the interiors of the new triton will be, im suprised how well the companies have kept the seal on everything, not even a tease on what the interiors of the everest will be either.

a 2.2L diesel and a hybrid option be interesting, i also read the intial triton releases will not feature the hybrid until midlife, guess thats a reason to hold on to my pjs for the time being. With Mitsu you always get the most featured out car at the end, they throw a few new with-held features every january. Havent seen the new x-trail, will have a look as im sure itll at least inform some of the inteior of the potential navara ppv the way the pjs incorporated outlanders climate control, wiper and indicator stalks, etc.

While i found the performance to be underwelming when i tested the 2.5l this was largely due to the massive expectations i had based on reviews. The car remains exceptional value at 1.2m and 1.3m for the 2litre C and S trims which suprisingly for thailand come with options not even featured on the top trim crvs and other locally produced vehicles such as the camry with the addition of curtain airbags for example (Thank you Asean). I think the new crv looks good and like the rear ac vents but the CX5 feels more upmarket upfront with softtouch interiors unlike in the rear.

Well, the good new for Mitsubishi then is that all other next-gen PPV's are also 2015 launches (Toyota and Nissan) - the only one we may see before then is the new Everest, but it's more of a 'catch-up' than a next-gen model

What performance, refinement or chasis dynamics do you forsee differentiating the imv2 ppv, new pjs, etc from the current generation ppvs and the everest? I know the current ppvs are much better than the previous but given how they were restricted to rear leafs and i dont feel the trailblazer was much of an improvement over my pjs.

Be nice if they offered a premium trim with more kit and over 2 airbags this time, my sport rider and the gwagon got 1, my pjs has 2, hopefully we can get some better safety kit like we do in australia on the challenger, fine we got rear drums and only 2 airbags but no stability control is let down.

Btw any info on the 2014 minor change, im assuming the grill refresh and the 2din (currently exclusive to petrol v6) plus an additional display on top for compass, fuel economy, etc will be the jist of it. would be interesting if they finally offer VSC .

Out of the three the triton, high quality cabin with outlander hand me downs and the turning radius will be appreciated when you compare it to others like larger ranger especially in the city, the ranger is stable and fun to drive. I almost bought a 6 spd mt navara 4 years ago for its butch looks and the comfortable seats with generous space inside. Changed my mind after i saw the crash videos and the slow deployment of airbags in the first test which was revised doesnt address nor negate the serious deformation of the occupant zone, where the wheelwell, pedals and firewall cave inwards. The new dmax is a good looking ute, the engine is not as powerful as the colorados but ive read a new one is on the horizon.

With the new utes comming out, id buy a second hand triton or vigo to be honest unless you plan on keeping it in the longterm and are indifferent to the new offerings towards the end of next year.

Chev did very little to differentiate the look of the trailblazer from the colorado especially to the front, interior fit is an improvement over past due to how low the bar used to be imo. The 2.8 too loud and doesnt quiet up much like the mitsubishi does after warming up. I didnt notice much of an improvement in stopping power if any with the rear discs, the provision of a mere 2 airbags like previous gen vehicles and with very little upscale cues inside or out leaves me underwelmed, the best i can say is the styling especially the mux is fresh but still barely comparable overall to ppvs which have been on the market for years. Throw in poor residuals your likely going to either have buyers remorse or live in denial like chev cruise. Either way the trailblazer will hopefully be completely outclassed when the new pjs, imvII ppv and everest become available. Im sure they will still sell though, seeing how i still see red plate everest and mu7 running rear leafs!

The Ranger's AT is a torque converter, not a DSG

Youre correct, just checked into it now. Im suprised its a torq conv as i was misinformed yet never gave it a second thought given its delightful responsiveness even when mated to a 2.2, this is comming from someone who has used vw's dsgs for a few years now.

Doesnt change the fact the Ranger is in my oppinion the better ute on the market now and a very satisfyiing and comfortable drive at that. My only reservations would be contingent on where you are driving as its not suited for thailands urban jungle like toyotas ventury van and ford's after sales service in general is every bit as poor as chevrolet and worse than what ive experienced with the japanese including mitsubishi. I have high hopes for the new triton and the ppv im keen to compare to the everest and perhaps even toyotas imv2 ppv, Im not brand loyal so ill be buying the safer and more refined vehicle everytime.

The ranger is a great drive for a ute, dont expect a PPV ride but to be honest I was very impressed with the ranger I had for 2 months a year ago, the dsg trans is great even with a 2.2 and can drive it with confidence in the corners and was very stable at speed. Ride does suffer and become less composed on poor quality roads than other utes. The new colorado is much better than the previous gen dmax it replaces, but the ranger is certainly more spacious and comfortable, I also prefer the ford to the vw amarok i used for a month in europe and of course the utes available in thailand. The ranger's size and stance come at a price, you begin to appreciate the tritons turning radius in the mall parking lot and in small sois.