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Glad they are doing it.

Islam per se isn't at fault.

It is just far too often mis-intepreted

to effect a greater power for men or a man,

in their current affairs

than is written in any Koran verses.

The majority of this small minority of violent muslems

are following a long chain of edicts/fatwahs from men,

over centuries, stating with devout belief that

only THEIR interpretaion is correct.

These fatwahs are often in direct conflict with each other.

So local imans on the ground decide to pick and choose

to fit their purposes.

So we see many many different sects and sub-sects ,

besides the often warring <deleted> and Suni divisions.

It has been difficult to get muslems to agree,

ever since Imman Hussein died centuries ago.

OKAY, YOU HAD ME UNTILL YOU MENTIONED THE CHURCHES IN THE U.S....THE NUMBER OF MURDERS AMONGST THE LOCAL CHURCHES WHO MAY DISAGREE WITH EACH OTHERS TEACHINGS, IS ABOUT "ZERO"...THE NUMBER OF MURDERS AMONGST <deleted> MUSLIM SECTS AND SUNNI SECTS IS ABOUT 10,000 TIMES THAT NUMBER. SERIOUSLY I DON'T KNOW EXACT STATS ON HOW MANY MUSLIMS KILL ANOTHER MUSLIM DAILY AROUND THE WORLD BUT I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 150-250 HOURLY AND THAT WOULD BE WOULD BE VERY LOW. ESPECIALLY IF YOU TAKE SUDAN INTO CONSIDERATION.I WISH I WASN'T BIAS, AND I WISH I DIDN'T HAVE A SLANTED VIEW, HOWEVER WHERE I GREW UP THERE WAS A CONSIDERABLE ARAB POPULATION, AND THEY WERE ALWAYS RUDE, ALWAYS COMBATIVE, AND I KNOW A LITTLE ABOUT HOW MOHAMMED DEVELOPTED HIS TOWN OF REFUGE AND HOW THESE MUSLIMS FORMED TO FIGHT OFF OTHER MUSLIMS WHO MIGHT ATTACK THEM. THATS NOT THE EXACT HISTORY, BUT FACE IT THEY ARE A COMBATIVE ANTAGONISTIC RACE. SOME POEPLE EQUATE ITALIANS TO PASSIONATE LOVERS,-IRISH AS ALCHOHOL DRINKERS-ETC..ETC...LAST POINT THE U.S.A DOES SEEM TO STICK THEIR NOSE IN EVERYONE'S BUSINESS, "SPREADING DEMOCRACY"..LOL...I THINK THERE ARE ALWAYS HIDDEN MOTIVES, BUT THE ROOT OF ANYU INTRUSION INTO ANOTHER COUNTRIES BUSINESS, IS TO HELP, WHERE THE U.S. GOV., INTERPRETS INJUSTICE. NO ONE COMPLAINS WHEN THE U.S.A. COMES TO THE RESCUE IN NATURAL DISASTERS AND CATASTROPHES AROUND THE WORLD. THE U.S.A. POURS BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS (THAT THE U.S. PEOPLE PAY FOR THRU TAXES-I MIGHT ADD) INTO MANY 3RD WORLD NATIONS AND HAS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF VOLUNTEERS ALL OVER THE WORLD.... THOUGHTS IN U.S. ARE IF WE DON'T DO IT WHO WILL?...AND I POSE THAT QUESTION TO YOU. IF THE U.S. DOESN'T DO IT WHO WILL?..INCLUDING RIGHTING INJUSTICE AND CHALLENGING COUNTRIES WHO WOULD ONE DAY WANT TO EITHER CONVERT ALL TO ISLAM OR DESTROY THE INFIDEL...................................REALLY EXCELLENT RANT- I THINK..................

These bomb people are half fringe sect zeolots

and half inept political manipulators.

They can't bring about positive change by dialog,

because they just don't have the skills.

And they are continuousaly indoctrinating new prospects,

with little access to alternate thought.

This is not the fault of islamic schools,

but individuals with an axe to grind.

So they try to make the powers that be look Machiavellian,

in a effort to stamp out global islam.

And build their point of view up locally.

While imagining it is a belief truely held world wide.

It would all be so pathetic if so many people weren't

being killed and injured, based on false theology.

Yes there seems an anti-army component to this timing.

But still indiscriminant against all people.

Very much agaisnt the Koran's teachings.

If the south were allowed to elect their own governing choices more directly,

these same zaeolots would start killing anybody running for seats,

as Quizling collaborators.

Of cousre THEY couldn't govern a village without a total melt down.

There are christian zeolots too,

and the same goes for any religion's sects.

In the USA there are thousands of little "churches"

each with a few thousand followers, spread over a region.

Each is JUST as convinced that their lead pastor is

the ONLY TRUE LIGHT.

Some get quite violent against those "polluting society".

From short skirts to gays to absortion Drs.

to anti-poligamist government agents.

Islam as no monopoly on irrational behavior,

in the name of faith in a diety.

MOST muslem people are rational, unbrain-washed,

and willing to live and let live,

as long as less strict interpretations of how to live life,

are not rammed down their throuts.

Whether one religion or another is a better choice for life is

a debate for the ages, as long as it stays debate,

and not physical attack.

Alas mankind has too long a history of

intollerance towards competing philosophies,

to go quietly into the calm good night.

A sad commentary on the human condistion.

Islamaphobia. YOU BET ! ! ! a PERSON DOESN'T WANT TO GENERALIZE ABOUT A CERTAIN GRUOP AND LUMP A FEW BAD APPLES ACTIONS IN WITH THE GENERAL POPULATION OF THAT GROUP.

HOWEVER, THIS GROUP IT SEEMS HAS NO REGRET OR SHAME ABOUT WHAT HARM IS BROUGHT TO OTHERS.

I HAVE SEEN THE THAI POLCE IN ACTION. MOST THAI MEN ARE PASSIVE GOOD PEOPLE. BUT I HAVE SEEN THAI POLICE IN ACTION, ONCE PROVOKED OR REQUIRED TO DO A JOB, NO ONE IS MORE SERIOUS OR DANGEROUS THAN A THAI SOLDIER OR POLICEMEN.

SOI HOPE THE GOVERNMENT USES THIS FEIRCE FIGHTING SPIRIT AND DETERMINATION TO PUT DOWN AND STOP ANY MOVEMENT IN ITS TRACKS.

I HAVE ONE VERY DEAR MID-EAST MUSLIM FREIND, AND I WOULD TRUST HIM WITH MY LIFE MY MONEY ETC... BUT EVERY OTHER ARAB I HAVE MET, I DON'T TRUST -DON'T CARE FOR, AND CAN SEE THEY WOULD NOT STAND UP FOR ME IN A BAD SITUATION WITH OTHER ARABS/MUSLIMS.

THIS GEORGE BUSH GUY HAS MADE ALOT OF MISTAKES, BUT I HOPE HE F----ING CRUSHES THE ISLAMIST FASCHIST THAT NOW THREATEN NEARLY EVERY COUNTRY AND THE ENTIRE WORLD

Keith this is a bigger issue than can be argued from personal experiences of Arabs or Muslims or Jains or Sikhs or Mormons or Thai cops or whatall. The Thai military is not the solution here...its heavy-handed tactics are very much part of the problem and very much part of the resentment that exists in the South. Your views about George Bush and the Muslim world are pure FOXXXX & CNNNNNNN propaganda...straight from the mouth of the O'Really Malefactor...don't believe all you see on TV...meet many many Thai Muslims and get to know them and get back to us..............

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Thanks Fruitty, I'll make a point of that, but if I die in one of my meeting with a Thai Muslim- I'll kill you. Just kidding.

Good Post Thanks

Wouldn't the world be a whole lot more peaceful without the Islam religion. As inoffensive as the religion is supposed to be it's followers seem to contradict it at every opportunity.

there are strong political and economic issues at stake here. I sincerely hope this thread will not degenerate into another occasion for untramelled and unintelligent Islamophobia

read it again dear

Muslim militants launched 23 coordinated time bomb attacks

It is about Islam and making an Islamic region in the south of Thailand

Its about scaring the daylights out of law abiding citizens so that they leave and then the land be inhabited by Islamic extremist

It needs to be discussed / actioned for what it is and without all the PC nonsense

otherwise we will all be as useless as the United Nations

Islamaphobia. YOU BET ! ! ! a PERSON DOESN'T WANT TO GENERALIZE ABOUT A CERTAIN GRUOP AND LUMP A FEW BAD APPLES ACTIONS IN WITH THE GENERAL POPULATION OF THAT GROUP.

HOWEVER, THIS GROUP IT SEEMS HAS NO REGRET OR SHAME ABOUT WHAT HARM IS BROUGHT TO OTHERS.

I HAVE SEEN THE THAI POLCE IN ACTION. MOST THAI MEN ARE PASSIVE GOOD PEOPLE. BUT I HAVE SEEN THAI POLICE IN ACTION, ONCE PROVOKED OR REQUIRED TO DO A JOB, NO ONE IS MORE SERIOUS OR DANGEROUS THAN A THAI SOLDIER OR POLICEMEN.

SOI HOPE THE GOVERNMENT USES THIS FEIRCE FIGHTING SPIRIT AND DETERMINATION TO PUT DOWN AND STOP ANY MOVEMENT IN ITS TRACKS.

I HAVE ONE VERY DEAR MID-EAST MUSLIM FREIND, AND I WOULD TRUST HIM WITH MY LIFE MY MONEY ETC... BUT EVERY OTHER ARAB I HAVE MET, I DON'T TRUST -DON'T CARE FOR, AND CAN SEE THEY WOULD NOT STAND UP FOR ME IN A BAD SITUATION WITH OTHER ARABS/MUSLIMS.

THIS GEORGE BUSH GUY HAS MADE ALOT OF MISTAKES, BUT I HOPE HE F----ING CRUSHES THE ISLAMIST FASCHIST THAT NOW THREATEN NEARLY EVERY COUNTRY AND THE ENTIRE WORLD

I've said this before - if they want their own independent state, let them have it. Let them then provide their own water and electricity and oil supplies, their own buses and trains and airport and airline, their own tax system, their own education system, their own postal system, their own food supply system, setting up their own radio and tv stations. And let them try trading independently with the rest of the world.

Go ahead. A little like Zimbabwe tried to do, running the farms themselves (ie one race only). See how long they last.

you make good points, but would it really be practical?

And, if Islam is supposed to be such a peace-loving religion (which might make it unique), why is there so little condemnation of these quasi-terrorists from their religious leaders?

yes! why??? i have my own opinion, but i fear that if i air it here i will be accused of muslim-bashing.

I thought they moved out of Pattaya to Jomtien last month.

Is this another location?

Soi 5. I was just there in December. Take Thepprasit road to the end turn left and follow around to beach road.....keep going to soi 5.

I'm not very familiar with that area, it maybe in Jomtien beach area, but I don't think it's in Jomtien municipality as that begins south of Chayapruk road.

beachbunny

New Immigration Office:

When going down the coast or Beach road in Jomtien, make a left at the big JOMTIEN SIGN-it is green in color. Go up the street and you will see it on the right hand side.

CORRECTION- Turn left on the sign that says JOMTIEN THANI. Also it is off the coast along the beach of JOMTIEN, not Beach Road