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Thank you all for the advice given, we are already well on the road with regards to the headed paper, as they are limited all this information is now included, turns out they did have headed paper years ago but ran out and did not get more as they didn't have much need for it, I made them an electronic mockup which they are delighted with, thus I've helped them and they can help us with a new letter this time on said paper, were going to include some photos of her at work, company website link etc and hopefully reapply again in July/August with a hopeful visit at xmas.

I believe that applications can be post dated for up to 3 months visa start date?

Thank you for the advice. We will probably submit a complaint on the grounds of the employment letter also I stated that in my supporting letter that she solely financial supports herself and that I send payments to supplement any payments for rent, motorbikes etc not for paying for these. Most of the business in the area pay cash for wages and tips few submit payslips or pay in to a bank.

If they had looked up the business on say Google it would have been the first entry seen of many, its been in the same place for nearly 25 years, I do see that the parent company name is listed in a companies website as limited company so may approach the owner next time out and ask them for a copy of listing or is that something we can apply to thai government for??

Apologies for the delay the exact wording is as follows; you have applied for a visa in order to visit xxxxx who is a British citizen and you describe as your boyfriend. I am satisfied that you have met. You have never travelled out of thailand before. You were refused a UK visa on 26/6/14 as you provided poor evidence of funds in place and you had not provided any documents demonstrating your income.

You state you have been employed as a waitress with the xxx company since Augustv2013 and receive a monthly income of xxxx baht, around xxx. You have submitted a poor quality employment reference letter which is not in company letter headed paper and you have submitted not documents to demonstrate the xxx company is a going concern. I am therefore not satisfied that you are employed in the capacity that you state, and your circumstances in Thailand are as your describe. This undermines the credibility of your visa application as a whole and calls into question your true intentions in the UK. In addition I note that you are unable to support yourself on the income you receive in thailand as you receive supplementary payments from xxx in order to pay for your rent and motorbike.

I am therefore not satisfied..... Under paragraph 41 (I) and (ii)

Felt that the application had not been considered as a whole e.g 12 months Bank statements clearly show salary going in, no attempt to contact the business to confirm details were made (its been around for over 15 years), All other facts were accepted, there was no mention that the employee letter was unacceptable in the first refusal letter (if mentioned we could have made an attempt to resolve prior to application). If this had been a fiance visa there is a good chance this application would have been accepted as its been refused solely on employment letter.

Refusal state it was not on company letterhead paper, but the oxford dictionary definition of a letterhead is the name and address of a person, a company or an organization printed at the top of their writing paper (why is a company stamp which is a logo, includes business address and contact number not the same) maybe i should resubmit after asking her employer to stamp at the top of the letter instead of after the signature and print the name and business address at the top?

Otherwise the only thing i can think of is asking the company owner if he minds terribly if i design & pay for a box of stationary for his company to have headed paper?

Surely they are saying that by being in employment by a small business without company stationary this will count against your application, at least we even got a letter and it was officially stamped what happens for those applications where the applicants are not in employment as the ECO states the rest of the application is fine in their eyes, but in this case even by having land assets, children ( i know a lot of thais leave them with parents) they did not believe her application was genuine.

If we were to challenge the embassy decision, how would we go about this as i know they do not have to consider visitor visas?

Hoping for any of the resident experts opionion/advice on the following..

Just found out that my girlfriend has been denied her visitor visa for the second time, first time we did ourselves and i can admit that the paperwork was not great, this time we used the service of a reputable agency and i can vouch that this submission was very professional and included all of the advice we have seen given from the forum members.

So the denial letter (GV51) has stated that all of the evidence submitted was sufficient but that she is being denied on the grounds that the letter from her employer was not on company headed paper, as such they could not believe that she is employed at said company, as a result she could not prove that the company existed and so could not prove her income so they had grounds to believe that she would not return to Thailand. The first application included a similar format letter except this letter stated the time off she was allowed for holidays.

1. This is a small bar business and as such do not have company headed paper (they did stamp the letter using their company stamp business name, address, telephone number etc)

2. She provided 12 months bank statements which show her income from employer each month.

3. I am sponsoring her trip (3 week visit).

4. She has two children

5. She provided evidence of land assets.

6. They made no attempt to contact her work to confirm details (these were clearly provided and employer informed that they may receive a call from British embassy).

Any of the experts have any advice on how we proceed from here as we clearly cannot provide company headed paper, how would someone working in say a family business provide such a thing, surely there has been a failure of duty by the officer in light of these facts and them stating that the rest of the application was fine?

Thank You for taking the time to read this as you can imagine this is extremely upsetting as we wish for her to visit my family in order that she can meet them and also to see a little of the UK, all this before we consider taking our lives together further.

Regards

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Thanks 7by7 for the quick response, I just guess I'm a panicking a little as we really want to get it right this time!

Sorry to hijack this thread a little, last year my girlfriend was denied her visa as I could not show sufficient evidence of funds as the sponsor, since then my circumstances have changed and now we are looking to apply again in April, I cannot provide payslips as I am a company director who does not take a salary but is paid in regular dividends from my company which show in my bank statements and I have a healthy balance in my account, any advice with regards to my situation would be appreciated! Thank you for reading.

My girlfriend, received notification today that a decision has been made, so sounds like it's on it's way back, she applied on the 11th June

Thanks for the links 7by7, She applied for a general visitor visa (girlfriend) i will hold off for now as I can see that most are processed in 30 working days.

Hi,,

Has anyone had recent experience of the waiting times to receive a decision on a UK Visitor Visa, my lady submitted her application on the 10th June and we haven't heard anything back yet, going by the embassy guidance 99% are processed in 3 weeks, we paid for all of the additional services provided by VFS suck as text messages, postage etc

Probably just getting worked up about nothing, is there a number/email in Thailand that she can use to check on status?

just had a message that Bangla Road in Phuket has just been shut down by a very large police presence, so yes its being enforced nationwide

Her Id card had correct spelling and this was the id she was asked to provide for her passport, guess they have just got it wrong, she is going back tomorrow but we need it back within 8 days so fingers crossed, does anyone know in this instance if the passport number will be changed as we cant book her visa appointment without this?

Hi All, my TG has just received her passport ready for my visit in 2weeks for her visa application but her first name is missing a letter at the end, she is in Phuket just now, does anyone have experience of how long it will take to come back corrected from Bangkok, assuming no changes after today's events

We assume there will be hassle with the visa application if not corrected as all supporting docs have the precise name.

Thanks

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I've always used M & S until my last trip at Xmas when my local branch said they have stopped issuing them now, not sure if its a local change or national?

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I deliberately switched back to paper billing in order to get originals , hoping not to have to go to bank and ask them to stamp 6 months worth!

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Thanks to all for contributions so far, busy weekend filing ahead no doubt I will have more questions. Don't realise how lucky some of us are able to visit most countries with minimal hassle!

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That's good info for the letter thanks, I've downloaded one of the templates here so will refer to that and also your example for our situation

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Thanks, hadn't even thought about her letter, I did think I possibly was thinking this through too much for a visit visa with regards to documentation.

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Firstly, thanks to all who contribute to the forum it really helps us newbies to keep up with the ever changing requirements.

I have a few questions regarding the level of supporting documents we should provide.

A short outline of our relationship

Met 18months ago, I have visited 4 times since then and we have travelled all over Thailand when holidaying together. She is not in skilled labour, but does own a small holding of land.

My G/F was previously married and has two teenage children from this marriage. I am a UK National.

From what I understand reason for return will be the most difficult to 'prove' we were thinking of providing the following supporting documentation?

Her children's birth certificates?

Land ownership certificate

Photos of my home with mortgage statement

6 months bank statements

Holiday photos from travelling together

hotel bookings showing her name on booking along with mine

Sponsor letter detailing plans, reason for visit is to meet my family, 3week holiday

Letter from my employer outlining length of service, job title, annual salary

Phone records going back to when we met (use access number)

Western union transfers - not too many as ECO might think its a financial relationship?

Any thing I've missed or do I sound doomed to failure?

Thanks for taking the time to read.

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