ClutchClark

29 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Really? It's only the GOP that voters disapprove of?

Five thirty eight keeps an average of all the polls. Currently Trump's disapproval ratings beats his approval by 19.6 percent. I believe that's a record for any modern president at this point in his first term.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/

 

I don’t understand your post.

It sounds like you have misunderstood something I have said or more likely since its you...you are puting words in my mouth for one of your strawman arguments.

4 hours ago, boomerangutang said:

That's like saying right-wing Christians oppose grown men sexually assaulting 14-yr-olds, but then support men who do just that.   .....

 

I guess I will have to spell this one out for you as well but Republican voters believe in Due Process. We are a cerebral bunch rather than emotionally motivated like the Dems who turn into lynch mobs and hang everyone before all the facts are even available.

As for your comparisons to the 3rd Reicht...

You either don’t know the first thing about history or you are in serious need of therapy to accuse your own fellow Americans of being Nazis.

You Apparently think nothing of spouting your hot air with no consideration or respect for all the poor lost sould who died under Hitler. You stand yourself up not on a soapbox but on their very bones. 

What ever happened to you?

2 minutes ago, Mansell said:

I am glad everybody knows, because I didn't know her ethnicity. I wasn't even very familiar who she is and what she does. But her color is relegated to the bigots of the last century, and of course the Southern states. Good for her basically speaking out against her boss......it will be interesting to see if she still has a job by New Years. And that pathetic liar of a White House spokesperson who said the election result put the accusations of sexual molestation to rest......PATHETIC.

The Southern States?

Are you familiar with Bobby Jindahl?

2 hours ago, Becker said:

As she is willing to work for and be led by the moral abomination currently desecrating the WH the only amazing thing about her is her ability (as a person and a woman) to disregard her own morals.

Thank you for making itclear straight away that you lack any underdtanding at all how junior politicians pay their dues of loyalty to gain party support when their own time comes.

You saved me alot of time giving you the benefit of the doubt.

3 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

Congressional approval ratings are below 20%!  Horrible.  They should all be fired.

These clowns rally cry for the past 6 years has been to end Obamacare with a stake thru the heart.

they win the WH and Congress and their constituents discover that not one of them actually developed a plan. The bunch of them were no different than your average TVF liberal...just cry cry cry.

But what do the GOP manage to accomplish in their first attempt?

Massive corporate tax breaks.

They should not just be fired, they should be investigated for Corporate Lobby ties.

They passed that tax bill using the very format the Dems pushed through the ACA. No partisan support and get it passed before the jnk even dried so their voting base had no time to comment.

BTW, does anyone remember the exodus of the ACA architects once Obamacare was passed? They all went to work for private healthcare firms that directly benefited by its passage.

3 hours ago, Meljames said:

 

 

GOP approval ratings are in free-fall. Seems the trump/roy moore supporters are the only ones clinging to the their party loyalty.

 

 

You misunderstand what “approval” ratings mean.

It simply means they have no use for the present GOP.

It does not mean they have become liberal Dems nor that they now support liberal Dem policies nor that they will suddenly change ieologies and vote liberal Dem.

Their dissapproval for Obies policies and particularly the Clinton clan are is far stronger than it is for the GOP.

Its why Trump was popular in the first place. Repubs are not happy with the corrupt and worthless bunch of lawmakers we have today.

They want leadership that represents them.

You will notice this is in sharp contrast to the Dems who behave like little lapdogs and lick up whatever their party tells them to.

7 minutes ago, smotherb said:

Sexual harassment is not just men on women or gender-fluid on gender-specific; sexual harassment has no specific gender boundaries. Men have been sexually harassed by women, Kevin Spacey has been accused of sexually harassing other males, my wife was sexually harassed by another woman while working in the US. So, it is individual on individual. Granted, it seems more prevalent with men on women, but men and women are the traditional gender roles and men are more often in a position of power and more often the sexual initiators.

 

My problem is how many of these complaints are unfounded--how many are just jumping on the bandwagon now just because they jumped on something else in the past and did not get what they wanted? Or, how many are just total fabrications?  

Excellent Post.

Cheers

It brings me great humor to see Trump owns the heads of liberals to the point of obsession but most GOP I know barely give him a second thought.

1 minute ago, boomerangutang said:

That's like saying right-wing Christians oppose grown men sexually assaulting 14-yr-olds, but then support men who do just that.   .....oh, I see now.  Both ClutchClark's missive and mine are true.   They must be a conflicted bunch.   I'm glad I'm not a Republican.   If so, I'd have to compromise my moral standards constantly.  Their motto is: Party loyalty over moral decency or doing what's right for the USA.

Perhaps thats how a rabidly insane liberal interprets what I have said but its nothing at all to do with what I actually said.

To those members outside the US, I would be glad to discuss this topic with you but the hyper-partisan Americans on this forum make it impossible to hold reasonable and unemotional discourse.

2 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

I'd say those who support him outside the US is much, much lower.

Many people do not appear capable of understanding many Americans support the GOP and not Trump.

Not directed at you Craig.

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22 minutes ago, mogandave said:

I am sure had they understood dropping your pants at a temple was inappropriate, the would not have done it.

 

 

 

Please tell me you are having some fun.

Even if I could stop laughing I am not sure how I could respond in a manner that someone who authors that statement could understand.

Come clean, is this whats called taking a piss? If so its great stuff.

1 hour ago, owl sees all said:

Well you know what it's like here Clutchie. Holding cell on the 4th floor. The married couple embracing on the balcony; looking forward to their release. When whoops-a-daisy!! Brown bread in a pool of blood on the pavement.

Well...I concede your point. 

LOS does have its share of unexplained "accidents".

Hopefully these two know to stay away from balconies.

1 hour ago, tonray said:

Only until the right wing racists who support Trump find out her parents are Sikh and she's not white...then the Oval Office becomes unreachable.

Huh?

Everybody already knows her ethicity. It has been well publicized.

Which only goes to show the absurdity of your own outdated prejudices. 

I am thankful you are of liberal leanings because your contributions actually hurt those who share your view.

12 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

 

No? Thai men are constantly dropping their pants at temples an no one gives a whit.

The ONLY reason this is an issue is because they are homosexual foreigners. Had them been Thai or even heterosexual foreigners we would not be having the discussion.

It has not even been shown that they understand their behavior was inappropriate.

 

 

Is homosexuality an issue in the Thai culture?

Honestly did not think it was to the extent it would result in imprisonment.

Are you serious? The 35-year-old  gay couple did not even understand their exposing themselves was “inappropriate”? Thats rich.

Why were they clothed at all then if they thought nudity was OK in Thailand? 

Is there behavior not “inappropriate” in the US?

These two did not suffer persecution because of their secual preference. Thailand is full of gay men who live freely every day.

3 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Have these two poor chaps actually left Thailand yet? I wouldn't be shocked to hear of a little incident/accident on the way out of the holding cell.

Oh what Drama. 

16 hours ago, sjaak327 said:

It is sad that this law is being applied to two people photographing their butts with Wat Arun in the background. Time to scrap that law I would say. 

 

No-one should go to jail, anywhere in the world for something like this. Time for the religious nutters to grow a pair. 

Laws for public indecency are not limited to places of worship in the US.

its the act of public display of ones genitals which society deems offensive and really has nothing to do with religion. 

15 minutes ago, isaanbanhou said:

So, a journey into my own sexual self identity could possibly result in a sexual harassment complaint against former self by my current identity if I were to change sexual identity.  

Absolutely, if you had a self-defeating personality that included personal arguments with yourself that held you back from professional development then you would most definitely have a strong case.

1-800-GLORIA-ALLRED

19 minutes ago, PremiumLane said:

Did I ruffle a few feathers? 

 

Oh very envious (and yes that is sarcasm) :) 

Ha...it would take alot more than what anyone here on TVF has to throw to ruffle these feathers. 

The thing I find challenging about TVF is dealing with all the stupidity. 

There are guys on here that I have never shared a similar view with on any topic but I still look forward to their posts because they offer thought provoking responses. They raise the bar for me and the topic. I have even more appreciation for guys that bring humor to the thread.

OTOH, there are guys like you who go quick for personal attack without any real substance to the topic. An example being your two post contribution to this thread. But I will continue to read your posts for atleast a bit longer so I can better understand if your 2:1 ratio is the result of intelligent responses or just zingers.

By your third post you really should have made some effort to address the topic so make your next one count.  ;-)

Cheers

BTW, kudos to the GOP rising star Nikki Haley.

I hope she one day holds the Oval Office. She has definitely earned the support of the GOP for paying her dues as part of the Trump Admin.

5 minutes ago, PremiumLane said:

21 pages of ranting over what was really nothing, just two guys doing something stupid.

 

The lunatics on here love a good hang em' high story. 

Have you not been around here long enough to know that 21 pages is really nothing for a TVF thread and that its more a measure of how bored some of us are than whether we really hold a strong opinion about a particular topic? 

BTW, very impressive ratio of posts to reactions. 

I feel a twinge of TVF envy. 

Any woman who has been "mistreated" by a man? 

That is a very wide brush.

Still interests me how its only aout women mistreated by men and not an individual mistreated by another individual. I thought this age of enlightment we now live in had done away with the distinction of gender.

If a man had been mistreated by another man but then that first man begins to self-identify as a woman does he then qualify under this Haley rule? This mixing of old and new gender rules really leads to confusion.

1 minute ago, StevieAus said:

Yes , very very interesting and the other reason is that they have probably never been taught the correct way to ride a motorcycle, I was over 50 years ago and have never forgotten.

Asa lifetime motorcycle rider I do relate to what you are saying about a "correct way to ride"; however, if I were to attempt that here in LOS I would be roadkill within minutes. 

The concept of a lane of traffic belonging to a single vehicle is not part of the Thai practice. 

I rode up around Chang Rai about 8 years ago. The best part was there was almost no vehicular traffic. 

1 hour ago, thaihome said:

Nothing to do with cops. The gay couple filed a complaint with the Colorado Civil Rights Commission which ruled in their favor. The baker filed suit  against the commission and lost in lower courts. This final appeal.

 

The baker is not paying legal fees, he is backed by a right wing legal assistance group ( Alliance Defending Freedom). The Trump administration has filed a brief in support of the baker.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/supreme-court-gay-wedding-cake-case_us_5a25925ee4b03350e0b8a7e0

TH 

I think the response about the police was a follow-up originally introduced by someone else. You are correct that the Police were never involved in this Bakery incident at any time. 

I don't believe either party is paying their own legal fees.