Number 3

every man and his dog knows the head mans son did it,

there was i little arguement in a bar, and he and his mates did it,

the british cops know this the met,,

but the kids are to well conected,

the burmies lads will go to court be found guilty. given money told never to talk of this again and sent home

Yet this is NOT rumour and this is NOT removed from the topic ?

Lost on me then ....

They will conclude that the circumstantial evidence, the eyewitnesses who saw them that night near the crime scene together with the "indisputable" DNA match plus the fact they confessed is ENOUGH to convict them. This was decided back in September and boy oh boy the RTP didn't expect the social media avalanche to get in their way but here we are, almost 3 months later and the madness goes on!

Nobody can do anything about this! Face saving in the most important issue here, they will not throw out the case, they will pad themselves on the back for a job well done! During the trial you will hear nothing about Nomsod & Co. or other possible suspects, about CCTV evidence, about David his wounds being from another weapon etc.

The only thing you will hear, their DNA fits, so we must convict. Bet on it! They will not convict purely on the DNA evidence, they will just back that up with a load of circumstantial fabricated rubbish!

Thailand SHAME ON YOU! It is disgusting!

You called it krengjai!

But we shall never give up and never give in.

We will continue the fight if only on social media. For many a copper are uncomfortable with the commentary and wish to be left alone with no interference from do gooders.

The summary of the report is here and is in the hands of constabulary for what is almost day 5.

Translating the document as we speak by - you guessed it - another copper working towards a guilty verdict.

The follow up tonight by the foreign office we hope is a sign of things to come but the 20 witnesses the prosecution has announced today are paid to tell a tale that will be laughable to most of us. It is only the UK that can save the lads now. No NGO, no Myanmar embassy, and certainly not our dear leader. Britain must keep prodding and pushing and not hold back. Britain will have blood on their hands if they do not act further and immediately.

Someone last night on here ( excuse me but I forgot the username) said the report from the police was in Thailand and indicated gunshot wounds to Hanna

If that was true, excuse the pun, but this case would literally be blown apart.

And people of interest on that island have a keen interest in guns.

From my copper mate in Bangkok HQ!

That was I, my friend.

As is the advice that the prosecution has magically mastered up 20 witnesses to the event.

In Thailand crime scene reenactments are normal as soon as suspects confess.

The reenactment on the beach should be reason enough to drop charges. Did you see photos and videos of it ? Two small bewildered men having their every movement being literally man-handled by a whole bevy of Thai officials. Farcical is too bland a word to describe it.

Fantasy is a more accurate description, ignoring the fact that there were 2 weapons used, even that was confirmed by the Thai coroner. Yes re enactments are carried out in Thailand if you confess, even when that confession is made under torture.

The prosecution securing 20 witnesses, as advised today in court, give me a break mate.

That is in the realm of fantasy!

Trial has to go ahead to save face.

Court throws out the case after a few token days due to lack of evidence.

RTP say the Burmese did it, so no new investigation.

Ac happy, RTP happy, but no justice for David and Hanna....welcome to Thailand

B2 to be prosecuted tomorrow for rape and murder latest tweet from Jonathan Head https://twitter.com/pakhead

This is sadly both true and deplorable.

The prosecution advises that they have secured 20 witnesses.

Given that producing one early on - that was beaten and offered cash -was tough going this says that they are doggedly determined to prosecute to clear Thailands name wouldn't you say? A lot at stake here boris.

Dear leader put his personal stamp of approval on this investigation no?

Where's the report of 20 witness's?

Suspect you will hear tomorrow then if that has not been released today. Stay tuned friends.

Dear Leader has enough on his plate, does he want to incur the wrath of the British as well, if he does he is a bigger c*** than I thought.

If they murder the Burmese, in my opinion hell will strike the Thai authorities and elite like nothing seen before.

Trial has to go ahead to save face.

Court throws out the case after a few token days due to lack of evidence.

RTP say the Burmese did it, so no new investigation.

Ac happy, RTP happy, but no justice for David and Hanna....welcome to Thailand

B2 to be prosecuted tomorrow for rape and murder latest tweet from Jonathan Head https://twitter.com/pakhead

This is sadly both true and deplorable.

The prosecution advises that they have secured 20 witnesses.

Given that producing one early on - that was beaten and offered cash -was tough going this says that they are doggedly determined to prosecute to clear Thailands name wouldn't you say? A lot at stake here boris.

Dear leader put his personal stamp of approval on this investigation no?

One would hope the worlds reaction is such.

If Thailand has any sense of awareness of the world around it then they would know this too.

So the question is why the pressing, the pushing, the paid witnesses ....

20 witnesses boris - from where do they come at that time of night ?

Trial has to go ahead to save face.

Court throws out the case after a few token days due to lack of evidence.

RTP say the Burmese did it, so no new investigation.

Ac happy, RTP happy, but no justice for David and Hanna....welcome to Thailand

B2 to be prosecuted tomorrow for rape and murder latest tweet from Jonathan Head https://twitter.com/pakhead

This is sadly both true and deplorable.

The prosecution advises that they have secured 20 witnesses.

Given that producing one early on - that was beaten and offered cash -was tough going this says that they are doggedly determined to prosecute to clear Thailands name wouldn't you say? A lot at stake here boris.

Dear leader put his personal stamp of approval on this investigation no?

B2 to be prosecuted tomorrow for rape and murder latest tweet from Jonathan Head https://twitter.com/pakhead

This is sadly both true and deplorable.

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For the posters, this is a well known story, kid was dancing and two pumped-up expat kids from Shanghai didn't like who he was dancing with and beat him savagely. I know they were down celebrating graduation from high school, nice "present" for a couple of 18-19 year olds. He was down from Bangkok I think also celebrating graduation from High School. Wrong place wrong time for sure but expats in Samui are watching this just as Kho Tao.

Been here since he was 15 years old and been here 15 years and just graduated from High school. Tell me what is wrong here.

Speed reading is never a good idea

British people have no problems discussing the goings on in my country.

It's almost expected is it not ?

I went to the fund page to possibly find the email address, but there's actually very little information there, and hasn't been updated in 24 days. So I'll wait 'till you've got a mailing address, thank you.

You have facebook, than connect here with PM.

https://www.facebook.com/JackHBSamui/info

Mr Impossible I did as you suggested and took a bit of a look at the facebook page last night.

I think I can ascertain which comments are yours. I would suggest all posters take a look at your insights and contribution as they are truly wonderful and inspiring. So your anger was generated from the fact that the creator of the fund ( clearly not the injured lad ) didn't advise you a currency and instead of contacting the fundraiser to ask you rant at this kid.

You should be very proud of yourself son for your contribution to the betterment of humanity.

I pray you never find yourself worse for wear in this life son.

What happened? Did they finally realize the former 336 campaigns this year didn't work that well?

This is simply more perfect.

Spend the money on a Thai campaign to teach the Thai people that tourists contribute money, and a lot of it, to the Thai economy.

Tourists are customers. Customers means jobs. Yes, some behave badly but most don't.

Protect tourists from bad police and criminals who try to cheat them ... like the jet ski scammers and bad taxi drivers who won't use meters.

You are wasting money on PR unless all you want is a one time customer (a Thai norm).

With social media alive and well and beyond control of the Thai government, Thailand can't hide the bad things that happen to tourists.

Reverse psychology is not a bad strategy razer. Bloody good idea in fact !

When this goes to trial, I expect

1) The trial will be very drawn out.

This gives longer for the case to fade from the public's mind. It also gives the police, prosecutor and court the time to closely monitor any events happening in the UK, or less likely, Burma or NHRC and adjust their actions accordingly to cover their backs.

2) Heavy control of reporting and close management of 'the message' by the judge and any press office.

3) Nothing in the way of an adversarial trial that Western posters would be familiar with.

Cross-examination of witnesses by barristers, lawyers, etc. is almost unheard of in Thai courts. Proceedings are much more tightly controlled and dominated by the judge.

Under the cloak of martial law there it is virtually impossible these boys will go free. Meanwhile, the death toll continues .. aided by deceptive tourism promotions.

Unless the document can be leaked I fear the same tunnel vision will continue.

It is there but it must be seen to be believed.

wow,if your post is correct that Hannah was shot in the head then is big news BUT if was shot then I'm very surprised that no one reports hearing gunshot as was very early in the morning and many people should have heard it also not sure why they would also smash her head in too,seems all very strange but if true then whole thing is blown out the water as the boys didn't have a gun unless JD says is possible they went and got one or found one ! So they must be let free ASAP and big big face loss but surely the thai coroner would have noticed was a gunshot if uk coroner found that to be the case,if not then he has landed the rtp in the crapper and make the whole world see how corrupt Thailand really is,big big talks right now by the chief ians crew if this report is true,I really hope so as they can't translate it not to say it as I presume uk will release report very soon,fingers crossed your info is not false.

One could speculate that the shot/s would have been heard but just another example of the cover up by the people of influence. I have my own opinions on this case and have received "informative " briefs from my lad at HQ from time to time. But this is on another level. If this report was received three days ago then that coincides with the public prosecutors sudden announcement to proceed with charges.

The stuff of nightmares this.

Maybe it was the other way round..............the prosecutor has been saying for a while he was going to proceed with charges but it was only Friday that he said he accepted the case and would proceed this week...........now what if the Brit police read that and then decided they needed to set a few things straight before any mishap...........So I think the Brit report arrived after the prosecutor made his statement..................Maybe........

IF the British have this evidence and IF the report exists, then you're probably correct. The British would have indicated to the RTP what was going to be in the coroner's report to be released in the New Year, and would have quietly suggested that the RTP open a new line of inquiry accordingly. They would certainly not have wanted to embarass the Thais or cause a fuss and would have given the locals an opportunity to do the right thing. But at the end of the day, the British government must act in the interests of its citizens - in this case the families of the deceased. And as it was looking that the Thais were going to try and brazen this thing out, the Brirish have a sent a shot across their vows by giving them a sight of what will be an official British finding.

But there are loads of ifs and buts. This report might not even exist.

It may not and I can offer you no proof yet, my friend. My assurances mean nothing when I am an unknown. I am reporting what I was told, in confidence. And other informative pieces received have turned out to be truth. All I know is what I have stated and nothing more. A summarised report received four days ago. In English. Police are translating still. GSW cause of death to Hannah. That's it.

Tomorrow is going to be interesting

Not if you're the lads in the cells it won't be.

Why? If you have this information the media and the Burmese officials must have.

Surely this will save them.

According to my sources timeline, today is day 4. Three days and nothing said and remember the official report and findings do not come out until January. So this I am advised is a precursor to the full report. An earlier poster suggested that perhaps this was released to the RTP earlier in order to try and put a stop to the monkey court that is happening right now.

Why would day 4 be any different though. Unless they are in wait of the fully translated document, which is doubtful

Tomorrow is going to be interesting

wow,if your post is correct that Hannah was shot in the head then is big news BUT if was shot then I'm very surprised that no one reports hearing gunshot as was very early in the morning and many people should have heard it also not sure why they would also smash her head in too,seems all very strange but if true then whole thing is blown out the water as the boys didn't have a gun unless JD says is possible they went and got one or found one ! So they must be let free ASAP and big big face loss but surely the thai coroner would have noticed was a gunshot if uk coroner found that to be the case,if not then he has landed the rtp in the crapper and make the whole world see how corrupt Thailand really is,big big talks right now by the chief ians crew if this report is true,I really hope so as they can't translate it not to say it as I presume uk will release report very soon,fingers crossed your info is not false.

One could speculate that the shot/s would have been heard but just another example of the cover up by the people of influence. I have my own opinions on this case and have received "informative " briefs from my lad at HQ from time to time. But this is on another level. If this report was received three days ago then that coincides with the public prosecutors sudden announcement to proceed with charges.

The stuff of nightmares this.

Maybe it was the other way round..............the prosecutor has been saying for a while he was going to proceed with charges but it was only Friday that he said he accepted the case and would proceed this week...........now what if the Brit police read that and then decided they needed to set a few things straight before any mishap...........So I think the Brit report arrived after the prosecutor made his statement..................Maybe........

Maybe. Who knows. Comforting thought though I give you that.

Do you realize that the - still unconfirmed - news that you bring us are a bombshell ?

If true this will nullify thousands of posts made all over this board and elsewhere ? (except for the highly important fact that these posts allowed the case not to be wiped off under the rug).

This could also cause HUGE loss of face and credibility for many, many people high on the scale of power in Thailand.

And more important that would mean that the two burmese cuties could walk free soon.

"...the two burmese cuties..."??

Does not the word apply to boys who have a nice face too ? If not, sorry, I am not a native english speaker.

No need for an apology.

Perhaps it's just me but, having sexual thoughts about defendants in the middle of a ghastly double murder case would not be in the forefront of my mind.

Sexual? And you are comfortable posting that reply mate?

Staggering.

Do you realize that the - still unconfirmed - news that you bring us are a bombshell ?

If true this will nullify thousands of posts made all over this board and elsewhere ? (except for the highly important fact that these posts allowed the case not to be wiped off under the rug).

This could also cause HUGE loss of face and credibility for many, many people high on the scale of power in Thailand.

And more important that would mean that the two burmese cuties could walk free soon.

"...the two burmese cuties..."??

Does not the word apply to boys who have a nice face too ? If not, sorry, I am not a native english speaker.

No need to be sorry. Beats us constantly trampling our fellow man

Good for you for seeing their cute faces

I went to the fund page to possibly find the email address, but there's actually very little information there, and hasn't been updated in 24 days. So I'll wait 'till you've got a mailing address, thank you.

Mate siriraj hospital has wifi.

I suggest you go and learn how to use google. That's g-o-o-g-l-e.

I ain't your lackey unless you don't have fingers but then you seem to type into thaivisa ok and no doubt siriraj could help you on that anyway with their world class care and facilities.

After 7 years I must admit I have never heard of suriraj but no doubt it's of excellent standard. I will take your word on that.

Says a lot about your engagement with Thai society. Siriraj hospital is where the King of Thailand is under observation as we speak. I asked you for a simple email address as you seemed to be intimately involved in the matter, but apparently, when push comes to shove, you drop your mates like flies. Note: I might be too harsh on you now. You said you were somehow connected, so put your money where your mouth is, I'm not your or anyone's lackey either thank you very much no. 3

Mate reread the correspondence and then go to bed. Really.

It's late for some of us.

I went to the fund page to possibly find the email address, but there's actually very little information there, and hasn't been updated in 24 days. So I'll wait 'till you've got a mailing address, thank you.

Mate siriraj hospital has wifi.

I suggest you go and learn how to use google. That's g-o-o-g-l-e.

I ain't your lackey unless you don't have fingers but then you seem to type into thaivisa ok and no doubt siriraj could help you on that anyway with their world class care and facilities.

After 7 years I must admit I have never heard of suriraj but no doubt it's of excellent standard. I will take your word on that.

Says a lot about your engagement with Thai society. Siriraj hospital is where the King of Thailand is under observation as we speak. I asked you for a simple email address as you seemed to be intimately involved in the matter, but apparently, when push comes to shove, you drop your mates like flies. Note: I might be too harsh on you now. You said you were somehow connected, so put your money where your mouth is, I'm not your or anyone's lackey either thank you very much no. 3

Drop your mates like flies? Erh........

Not connected I said early on I spoke to this mum. Just as I speak to my copper mate in Bangkok about murder island. What's your problem with this case can you fill us in ?

Very confusing post actually mate.

Anyone hear what the coppers from Britain had to say about this case?

When they left they said they would issue a report the first of next year. I take it that would be within a month from now.

As posted earlier the findings of the report have arrived at police HQ in Bangkok 3 days ago. It is currently being kept under wraps and the BIB are translating the document from English to Thai themselves. Once translated the report will be sent to the Farce in district 8.

Some people should learn when not post their ignorant thoughts.. This is that time. Too "maidee" telling her to go home and get on welfare, <deleted> is wrong with you? Why don't you go home or just stop posting you ignorance..

I've not come across Number 3 before but I'm liking his patience and tolerance.

Though, I know where you're coming from, Sayonarax, as I feel the same.

Earlier I sent a private message through Facebook to the lady who's fundraising but haven't received a response so far as to my question of what currency they require. I subsequently posted a message on the Facebook page with the same question but still to receive a response. So, I've posted a further message and made it a little bit more lucid and consider I've made a fair point.

The way I see it is that this fundraiser has been going quite some time but all of $800 has been raised from a target of $50,000 [still none the wiser as to AUD or USD] but matters little as this amount is woefully short.

Have a read through the Facebook page and then consider what I have posted. Fair comment?

Patience and tolerance my friend only for those I feel sorry for. However I will thank you for such a fine compliment.

My situation is I have no kids.

But if this were my lad or the Burmese two were my lads I ask myself what I think we should all ask ourselves - what would I do. What should we do as a community. Simple really.

If people think attacking someone is cool or pictures need to pass the muster of their scrutiny with full on graphics. When all injuries are spelt out clearly and peeps want to ignore the facts and support an attack.

That's a humanity that I will shun. Theyre the ones I have patience and tolerance for mate.

The perpetrators of this violence and the spin doctors of their lies quite frankly I would like to meet in a dark alley of Soi green mango or sairee beach. They are not men.