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Unless you have a significant operation I really dont see you having the income to justify the costs that are there for this process. 
 
Perhaps you can employ a Thai manager, and then you are allowed it seems to 'oversea your investment' while they do the 'work'.. Its a subtle difference but would seem accepted practice. 
 
Otherwise your looking at.. Company formation.. 2 million baht capital.. Office rental.. VAT registration and processing.. accounting.. 4 thai staff.. Your own minimum wage.. tax contributions.. and even then I thinbk you may need to have this running for a year before you can really be fully on a non B extensions with work permit ??  

Or, to put it simply, completely unfeasible for the overwhelming majority of people.

Just to clarify, you say "a few days" in KL between back to back to back. How many exactly is a few?

Also, are you able to add any other information regarding nationality, age etc etc?

Cheers

I could add lots of info, but I'm not really sure any of it would be relevant. What I think is relevant is that Immigration didn't want any info as to why I was attempting to make a fourth entry.

But since you ask... 2 or 3 days in KL... Canadian/British... 69.

It's relevant because other posts have been suggesting there is an element of profiling going on with some of the decisions.

The number of days in KL is relevant because we are all trying to work out what is meant by the term "back to back" being used by Immigration. If I'm gone 14 days and then back 14 days etc etc .. Is the 14 days absence enough to sever the notion of back to back?

Nobody knows, including the immigration officer.

The point is, you can't call somebody who was acting perfectly lawful by getting back to back tourist visas for lack of an obtainable residential visa an abuser of a system. This system was in place for many, many years. They can't act like they didn't know about it for a looong time and now are basically "shocked" that people were just following the laws that were put in place by them.

The thing is, I have no problem if they tell people now you are not welcome here anymore if you just want to stay for extended times, not working. BUT then make the rules crystal clear and tell that to people. And not: well, we are suspecting that you might be working, we don't like your face, whatever. Do what you must, but BE CLEAR, that's really all people are asking for. Tell people how long they can stay in the country with tourist status per year, how many exempts, etc..

no one is acting shocked. everyone knew that lots of folks were acting contrary to the intent of the rules. and just because abuse is ignored doesnt mean it isnt abuse.

You don't know what the intent of the rules were, so better not speculate and call something abuse where is none, Maybe the intent was to give aforementioned people the option to basically be tourists as long as they choose because it is advanteous to the country if you are putting lots of money in the thai economy for many months or years as opposed to only thirty days or not at all? Maybe that's why the lifted the exemption limit again a few years ago? So, as mentioned, better not claim to know about the intents of thai gov and call perfectly abiding people abusers of a system that was put or kept in place for a reason.

if they wanted to allow tourist to be tourists as long as they choose, they would have had a longer period for the tourist visa and the visa exempt. it was abuse pure and simple.

It really doesn't matter what label you attach to people or what your opinion is. It is what it is, it was put in place by thai gov, known about and accepted for many years. People were acting perfectly lawful and it served the country for a long time. If they now think it doesn't anymore that's absolutely fine, just make the rules crystal clear, review them internally, and then proclaim them. Not scaring off tens if not hundreds of thousands of tourists through lack of care would be a plus,

The point is, you can't call somebody who was acting perfectly lawful by getting back to back tourist visas for lack of an obtainable residential visa an abuser of a system. This system was in place for many, many years. They can't act like they didn't know about it for a looong time and now are basically "shocked" that people were just following the laws that were put in place by them.

The thing is, I have no problem if they tell people now you are not welcome here anymore if you just want to stay for extended times, not working. BUT then make the rules crystal clear and tell that to people. And not: well, we are suspecting that you might be working, we don't like your face, whatever. Do what you must, but BE CLEAR, that's really all people are asking for. Tell people how long they can stay in the country with tourist status per year, how many exempts, etc..

no one is acting shocked. everyone knew that lots of folks were acting contrary to the intent of the rules. and just because abuse is ignored doesnt mean it isnt abuse.

You don't know what the intent of the rules were, so better not speculate and call something abuse where is none, Maybe the intent was to give aforementioned people the option to basically be tourists as long as they choose because it is advantageous to the country if you are putting lots of money in the thai economy for many months or years as opposed to only thirty days or not at all? Maybe that's why the lifted the exemption limit again a few years ago? So, as mentioned, better not claim to know about the intents of thai gov and call perfectly abiding people abusers of a system that was put or kept in place for a reason.

The point is, you can't call somebody who was acting perfectly lawful by getting back to back tourist visas for lack of an obtainable residential visa an abuser of a system. This system was in place for many, many years. They can't act like they didn't know about it for a looong time and now are basically "shocked" that people were just following the laws that were put in place by them.

The thing is, I have no problem if they tell people now you are not welcome here anymore if you just want to stay for extended times, not working. BUT then make the rules crystal clear and tell that to people. And not: well, we are suspecting that you might be working, we don't like your face, whatever. Do what you must, but BE CLEAR, that's really all people are asking for. Tell people how long they can stay in the country with tourist status per year, how many exempts, etc..

Even with this seemingly good news it baffles me to read posts that call people who utilized the in place - functioning Thai immigration system of the very recent past - and for nearly 10 years prior - ABUSERS. A system that allowed most anyone (tourists) to perform border runs and visa runs to obtain more 'staying' time in Thailand... No one was abusing anything ... Border runs to get extensions of 15-30 days were ALLOWED... and not just allowed - they were facilitated by Thai Border Immigration officers.

Even if one was 'working' in Thailand - the act of working in Thailand without the proper visa was/is a violation of Thai Law ... BUT the act of making border runs to get extra staying time in Thailand was not a violation of law nor an abuse - no trickery - no subterfuge was utilized - no false papers were presented, (fake passports - fake visa stamps, etc.). None of this was necessary - because crossing the border with the minimum of credentials was allowed and facilitated by agents of the Thai Government.

Abusing a system - which rarely questioned an extension of a exemption or tourist visa was an ABUSE ? Laughable.

The Thai Government created by default the system that was in place for many years - so they are now enforcing laws that they did not want to enforce in years before ... but some people abused a system that was not abusedable - IT WAS ALLOWED!

The border run was certainly allowed, that is not in dispute.

However when re-entering the person will state that he/she is entering Thailand for the purpose of tourism.

This is where the abuse can/has set in.

Any thinking person will understand that the serial border runners were/are not bona fide tourists but people who wish to stay long term for whatever personal reason they may have.

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Yes, and that personal reason might in many cases just be... tourism. Define what is a tourist. There is no clear definition. I can very well be a tourist for years. So, what is somebody who is not employed in the country, just enjoying life, for a extended time? Not a tourist? If not, what is he?

And this applies to many, many of the people who were using back to back tourist visas. They weren't abusing anything, quite to the contrary, they were acting perfectly by the law by doing pointless regular visa and/or border runs to stay in the country as, basically, a tourist.

no, they were residents

They were acting perfectly lawful, that is the point. There is no residential visa obtainable for many in this category. You are blaming the people who did visa runs for the thai immigration laws? Ridiculous.

Even with this seemingly good news it baffles me to read posts that call people who utilized the in place - functioning Thai immigration system of the very recent past - and for nearly 10 years prior - ABUSERS. A system that allowed most anyone (tourists) to perform border runs and visa runs to obtain more 'staying' time in Thailand... No one was abusing anything ... Border runs to get extensions of 15-30 days were ALLOWED... and not just allowed - they were facilitated by Thai Border Immigration officers.

Even if one was 'working' in Thailand - the act of working in Thailand without the proper visa was/is a violation of Thai Law ... BUT the act of making border runs to get extra staying time in Thailand was not a violation of law nor an abuse - no trickery - no subterfuge was utilized - no false papers were presented, (fake passports - fake visa stamps, etc.). None of this was necessary - because crossing the border with the minimum of credentials was allowed and facilitated by agents of the Thai Government.

Abusing a system - which rarely questioned an extension of a exemption or tourist visa was an ABUSE ? Laughable.

The Thai Government created by default the system that was in place for many years - so they are now enforcing laws that they did not want to enforce in years before ... but some people abused a system that was not abusedable - IT WAS ALLOWED!

The border run was certainly allowed, that is not in dispute.

However when re-entering the person will state that he/she is entering Thailand for the purpose of tourism.

This is where the abuse can/has set in.

Any thinking person will understand that the serial border runners were/are not bona fide tourists but people who wish to stay long term for whatever personal reason they may have.

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Yes, and that personal reason might in many cases just be... tourism. Define what is a tourist. There is no clear definition. I can very well be a tourist for years. So, what is somebody who is not employed in the country, just enjoying life, for a extended time? Not a tourist? If not, what is he?

And this applies to many, many of the people who were using back to back tourist visas. They weren't abusing anything, quite to the contrary, they were acting perfectly by the law by doing pointless regular visa and/or border runs to stay in the country as, basically, a tourist.

Anybody who could answer this Dear members ? in my case, especially no.3 Hotel booking ?

From the OP it reads as if all extensions need this proof now. I am on a triple TV myself and stay with friends and therefore no booking for the full period of my 3rd entry to come.

so far I was under the impression "Previously getting a 30 Extension on a Tourist Visa I had a Passport, photo and 1900 baht." is enough.

You worry too much. If you will have any problem in obtaining an extension, come back here and call me an idiot.

Well, as of recently, to extend tourist visas and exemptions one needs a copy of rental contract or hotel booking as well as the exact address including that of the owner/landlord in case of bungalow/house rental. At least in Samui. Confirmed by myself on Friday.