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19 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

'Normality' please...…………  

 

Normalcy?!

 

 

“Normality”... English.

“normalcy”... bastardized English.... much like “color”, or words supplanting an s with a z.

18 minutes ago, blazes said:

Glad to see you agree that leaders should be judged on their policies.

 

However, I guess if we are talking "juvenile" we should draw attention to the ludicrous notion that "continual questioning" will expose a "liar." !!!!  Come forth, George Dubya Bush and Tony Blair, two of the most outrageous liars in recent memory, whose lies about WMD actually led to the deaths of thousands more people than will likely be affected by this present virus.  (And the Middle Eastern deaths stretched way way beyond the actual months of the Western invasion in 2003.)

 

This continual singling out of Trump as seemingly the only lying politician in the world is singularly juvenile and unintelligent.  And not just politicians....the worst liars are those who lie to themselves.

Indeed... all world leaders should be judged on this... this is a critical part of leading a people’s... failure in crisis demands a change of leadership.

the notion that continual questioning will expose a lie is an essential part of the modern judicial system in democratic countries.... examination and cross examination of witness etc. they do this to... ta da... sort fiction from fact. Suggesting that this is incorrect is kinda crazy.

bush and Blair... outrageous liars... I don’t know, as no one thought it necessary to fact check them as their lies weren’t deemed as multifarious or damaging as trumps... but neither were democrats, so if your trying to hilight a trait by non liberal leaders, then well done, mission accomplished.

And... it’s a timely reminder of American aggression... attacking a sovereign state by virtue of self made misinformation.... kinda reminds me of Iran’s current problem with trump and misinformation about Iran

this self made information is also being created around covid, by trump, which is pathetic and dangerous.... and he’s now gagging doc fauci, his most senior medical advisor, to prevent him from speaking truth about those lies.

but why sling off at trump? Well gee... perhaps it’s trump, out of all the world leaders, who is best positioned to use his platform for the good of the world, yet fails to do so, electing to spread dangerous misinformation, at an unparalleled scale, from that platform.

if you think other leaders need attacking for their advise to their electorate, please name a couple. Without names, we must assume that no one else qualifies.... try supporting your assertions with fact if you wish to be taken seriously. 

48 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Please enlighten me to how I got 'everything wrong'? He is on camera ignoring it, denying it, minimising it, joking about it and politicised it.

Or are the cameras themselves part of the fake news now?

Dude... please.

aren't we already inundated with enough false links and repetition of trump tweets.? Not to mention doctored video of people not supporting trump (latest a manipulation of Biden, I believe, so he knows not to believe the camera)

best just acknowledge the truth of it. A refusal of facts in evidence, with a personal attack for good measure, is clear evidence that the poster has nought to rely on in countering your post. I doubt this surprises.

1 hour ago, blazes said:

Ah, yes, I bow to your superior civility. 

 

Poor Chomps: you have (possibly as usual in these matters?) deflected my challenge into something you instead want, rather obsessively, to talk about.  (Btw, why would you suppose I thought you were the POTUS?  I merely put to you, what most elementary school-children can understand, the fantasy question -- which children easily answer).

 

In case I am confusing you, let me simplify:

 

the question I put to you was along the same lines as "what would you do with a million dollars if you won the lottery?")

 

But why should we bore other people with your hatred and my apparent "defence" of the POTUS?  (So I won't wag my tail waiting for an answer.)

Lmao... how juvenile.

hopefully chopper doesn’t give you the rote school child or beauty pageant contestant answer of “world peace”.... 555 and how would a lotto win change things. It’s a fantasy question. (I’d buy a ski lodge in the Tahoe area????... and learn to fly a helicopter)

leaders have policy. They should be accountable for their policy. Future votes should be based on truth, not misinformation. Truth is obtained from a liar, by continual questioning. That the liar in question, is the leader of the free world (18000 or so demonstrable), should scare everyone. Protecting that person, instead of demanding truth, is (imho) fanatical.

wag tail? Waiting on choppers reply, I’m thinking it’s more likely tween your legs ????

18 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Testing will provide data. Then you still need to be able to effectively use this data, meaning contact tracing and that means somehow having the geodata history from those that get tested positive. Which means a mobile app with GPS and then the privacy people start barfing blood. It's still an uphill battle but yes, accurate and adequate testing is the key.

Surely those smart to be tested will be smart enough to be contactable. Surely those needing testing, would be smart enough to be contactable.

rogues will be rogues... these are the wild cards... dumb people will be the death of us all.

of course, faulty information spread amongst dumb people will make the situation worse.... it is this faulty information that is the real danger. Simple clear messages will encourage those people to conform to societal needs..

Fortunately this article is about a leader capable of putting self interests asides to honestly address the world, giving those people a better understanding and the opportunity to do right by the community, instead of themselves.

5 hours ago, blazes said:

Having "faith" in a politician is a sad sign of a passivity which, as history teaches us, leads all too often to disaster.

Do you mean that having faith in cuomo is a recipe for disaster, or any politician, including the trump?

my view is that cuomo has stepped up and is the only politician truthfully advising Americans of what is and isn’t happening... sort of like a fireside chat to quell panic.

this is the measure of a leader. One that should be recognized, lauded and copied. Cuomo is proof that America has some very very good people... great peoples, that it can proudly point too.

unfortunately the man elected to lead the nation has failed miserably. In his former life as an unscrupulous cold hearted businessman, this leader would have been shuttering the business (of America) and declaring it bankrupt, like everything else he has failed at.... as his ultimate m/o (chapter nine) cannot be applied to the once great nation, trump is lost.... and to make matters worse, he fired all the experts because, you know, you just rehire them when you need them whilst applying for a court injunction to delay unsavory issues impacting... and attempt to bankrupt allies/ associates in order to stave of personal disaster.

lol... there’s trumps policy for ya!

7 hours ago, Walter Travolta said:

Are you and the other mup the same person? The cognitives are exactly the same, alter the meaning of someones comment and try and gain a victory that way?

Lmao... how did “the other mup” alter your meaning? He did not... He demonstrated that you were 100% wrong in saying no western countries have leader that were women, when 33% are women. 

Victory came because he was right and you were wrong... and in accusing him of changing your meaning, when he asked multiple times for you to clarify your meaning, your being a bit tish.

47 minutes ago, Walter Travolta said:

3 times now. If you cant comprehend what it is Im saying just forget it, you're not understaing it. Like I said I cant help you with that so stop bothering me. And stop saying Im not explaining it when I have 3 different ways.Y ou are constantly banging on about the states when all I did in my OP was to make a comparison with Labour in the UK. It was an on topic comparison, go back and read it, then read it again and again if you have to.

I thought trolls were warned here ????

Ah... so your comparison was what was wrong. That wrongness was pointed out to you multiple times... glad you understand

im sorry to have upset you... have a nice evening

31 minutes ago, Walter Travolta said:

Are you for real? I mentioned the dems being the same as the Labour party because they are both left wing and have the same principles. I wasnt the one who started posting figures of how many women were in congress! All I did was say that the Labour party are a set of virtue signalling liars who promise they will do everything for minorities yet never follow through, JUST LIKE THE DEMS IN THE STATES - Are you understanding yet?

I also said it is a trait of the left wing in the west to be like this, yet point to anywhere in the west where there is a leader that is a woman, someone of colour, trans, or any other minority? Merkel is one. I wasnt talking about anyone being 'deputy' or 'vice' whatever, I was talking about leaders. Honestly what are you picking at? 

My other point about inviting all and sundry in via immigration from any babhole is the lefts only chance of winning votes. Yet that usually backfires because the left are not too fond of work, they prefer people who have the ability to oppose and demonstrate against the sitting governments ideas because the left simply do not have any of their own hahaha

Please dont come across as you are schooling me, it was you that couldnt comprehend what I wrote, with the help of that irrelevant link you jumped on. And now you are so far in, you havent got the face to admit you got it wrong. I typed it the way I typed, if you didnt understand that, that is a YOU problem, not mine. Dont bother expecting yet another explanation because of your inability to comprehend ????

Ah... there it is... finally... I think

my question was... are you talking about heads of state or leaders in general.... your answer... heads of state only, I think... cause you say “leaders”. Leaders include far more than heads of state.... but I’ll assume you mean head of state.

as your answer is still very wish washy... I will assume you also mean current heads of state.

there... that’s narrowed the list down to 24 possible candidates. 

So.... are any of those 24 possibilities relevant to your position, which was;

“yet point to anywhere in the west where there is a leader that is a woman, someone of colour, trans, or any other minority?”

you said merkal... that’s 1:24

add New Zealand... that’s 2:24

add Iceland... that’s 3:24

add Belgium... that’s 4:24

add Switzerland... that’s 5:24

im starting to see why you didn’t want to give a definitive answer to my question

add Denmark... that’s 6:24

add Finland... that’s 7:24

add Norway... that’s 8:24.

im also seeing why you don’t want to debate the issue.

The other new points that you tossed in... do you want to discuss them as well?

dude... if I fail to understand your post... and I ask questions that you fail to answer, it’s not me with the language problem, it’s you... spinning of and accusing me of baiting or trolling, as you have done, might be accurate if your post wasn’t so wrong. You can’t avoid being corrected by defaulting to accusing others of breaching rules... what kind of debating tactic is that? 

1 hour ago, Walter Travolta said:

I shall try 1 time to explain my point - the left, whether it be in the UK, US, Canada always bang the drum for minorities either based on colour, race, culture or sexual orientation. This is called virtue signalling. But when the left are having a change of leadership, and have the chance to elect someone from any of the above categories, they flatter to deceive each time. Yet another white male has taken the place of a white male, both regarded as privileged in todays world as long as it suits? The reply was a link basically saying how many women are in congress in the states, not relevant whatsoever.

Of course I understand how the voting system works, members of said party vote for THEIR next leader, just like the Tories did with BoJo, who doesnt know that? Im 52 so please dont patronise me ???? smiley emoji for your benefit. What you are missing is that with all the drum banging the left do about minority oppression, when they have a chance to back up their virtue signalling they fail everytime. That was the point of my OP. If you read any comments by me in previous topics, I do not avoid debate, I just refuse to be drawn into conversations about things I havent said or have been misread by other members ???? another happy emoji to show you Im not ranting ???? 
I cant offer you any more of my time as I feel it would be wasted like the last 15 minutes have been. Have a fantastic day 

Ah... so President Obama and other colored folk in positions of leadership (trumps Gang of Four?), past and present, are their because of virtue signaling.... got it.

And more virtue signaling... dems do nothing for minorities when they have the chance... crikey. The last administration inherited a black unemployment rate equivalent to the all time low in recorded history. That democratic virtue signaling administration turned that statistic around, such that the black unemployment rate was about 2% lower than the all time high.... nice work for doing nothing for minorities... unfortunately, under trump, the black unemployment rate has become the worst in recorded history.

further... the dems have included minorities in leadership roles.... in numbers sufficient to qualify as inclusive.... whereas non dems are attacking their inclusion.

”I shall try 1 time to explain my point”

Maybe answering my questions would have explained your point... because those bits are what’s not understood... hence the question

”i do not avoid debate”

Yes... you do. By avoiding pointed questions, on the post that you made, you are avoiding debate. If your post raises questions that you ignore... that’s text book avoidance.

“I cant offer you any more of my time as I feel it would be wasted like the last 15 minutes have been”

yes it has been wasted, which was what you chose to do with your time, as you failed to answer questions which would have made understanding your point easier. 

if you change your mind about wasting time supporting your claim, and wish to further educate me... here’s a tip... ask me what I don’t understand... at least then your explanation might have purpose.

19 minutes ago, Walter Travolta said:

Nice try at baiting but you are way off. The reply to me was regarding how many women were/are in congress in the states which was nothing to do with my OP. Red my OP again clearly and hopefully you will understand what my actual point is. I have explained it for you, I cant understand it for you also - OK? 

As for it being a rant, why would it be? Im in ecstasy watching the left crumble each and everytime something political goes on. Trump winning, Johnson winning by the biggest landslide in 85 years, Labour replacing like for like, Farage working tirelessly and Boris doing what he said he would bt getting Brexit done. Life is wonderful for me so I can honestly say my post was certainly not a rant. Did you take it as a rant because unlike you I didnt include the 'lol' bit? Or maybe a laughing emoji maight have stopped you calling it a rant? 
I think it was you who read it as a rant because the anger is within you maybe? Who knows . . . 

???? - see what I did there? ???? 

I gave my impression of your point in my paragraph one. If I am mistaken in my impression of your opinion (as it your opinion, and having read my understanding of it)... then you should correct it, rather than rant about baiting.

I accept that you can’t understand something for me... I also believe that it’s a failing in communication on your part, if I am unable to understand your writing.... that you feel I am not understanding of your argument, indicates that it was a rant.... normal non rants are easily understood. Telling me to re read something because you failed communication 101 is a bit tish.

Me... if I am misunderstood, I try to clarify the point, rather than making unhelpful and illogical accusations about anger management.

“Im in ecstasy watching the left crumble each and everytime something political goes on. Trump winning, Johnson winning by the biggest landslide in 85 years, Labour replacing like for like, Farage working tirelessly and Boris doing what he said he would”

and you you weren’t going to be drawn off topic... good golly miss molly... get back on topic for heavens sake! Ecstasy.... an emotional or religious frenzy or trancelike state.. very stable

But the funniest bit is this;

“The reply to me was regarding how many women were/are in congress in the states which was nothing to do with my OP”

when what you posted was this;

1 hour ago, Walter Travolta said:

Democrats in the states do the same, always talking about minorities yet never giving them a hand up!! Candace Owens sussed it a long time ago which proves the old addage . . . you cant fool all the people all the time

You made the Congress of the US a part of your post, and then seemingly forget about it... this is why you got the reply which you got.

i do hope that you find this helpful.

2 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

 

How ironic virus out China, now they profit bigtime selling PPE

Lol... Gotta do something to counter financial loses incurred by sanctions....  Anyway, as China produces cheaply, and American companies on-sell those products at a fortune, I think it’s about time Chinese manufacturers profited more from American consumerism than the American distributor of Chinese products.

that said, one could argue that China is profiting from American avarice as they outbid others in their selfish attempt to corner the market, whilst artificially driving the price up by instigating a world wide bidding war.

3 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Hang on a minute there, what did we steal from you apart from a prison population?

Lol.. and there was me under the misconception that that was a wonderful example of British generosity

2 minutes ago, Logosone said:

You think this is the reason not to wear a mask that actually works?

 

If I wear a mask then only N95 masks. 

 

You want me to die so some 81 year old can maybe live two months longer?

 

Very inconsiderate of you.

No... I think this is about getting the most needed supplies to those most in need. Medical professionals, for example, that are dying whilst trying to help others, as they cannot stay at home, vs prioritizing much needed resources to someone who should be staying at home, to avoid infection.

prioritizing yourself over these hero’s is pretty low. Of course, you might be a working medical professional too, in which case, your showing the correct amount of caution. So which is it? medical professional or inconsiderate of medical professionals?

4 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Already this article is lying to me in the first four lines. If masks were useful, why should I not wear the best type, the N95 mask?  

 

If I wear a mask I will wear the best damn mask money can buy. Who writes this garbage, is the Guardian so infested with milennial me-too social warriors they're now trying to prescribe to me what kind of mask I can wear?

 

If I want to wear an N95 mask I'll wear a damn N95 mask.

Good man... you probably missed the bit;

“Don't wear an N95 respirator, the type in desperately short supply in hospitals”

But don’t worry old son, that plea from senior health officials around the world is really only directed at caring sharing people... your exempt

6 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Thats fine, you are entiled to your opinion. You arent a Yank, so to be honest, most Americans care not one whit about that opinion either.

You appear to have a good understanding of why some other nations cry “death to America”.