CaptainB

WOW - maybe I will give Lion Airlines a big miss. I wonder how old was the co-pilot. Sad end to his flying career.

Seriously, do you know anything about the airline itself or you just typed something. Obviously such a fatality does not happen due to lack of safety of aircraft.

Exactly: VERY WELL SAID. Even worse is that this comment your refer to is made by a well known moderator.

Avoiding an airline because a crew member died is illogical. People in all professions die and don't plan to do it while on the job.

I did service as a sugical scrub nurse while in the Army. During one procedure at Fort Polk, the patient was anesthetized and the surgeon had open the abdominal cavity for the procedure. The surgeon became faint and almost collapsed, only to be caught from falling by the circulating nurse and an observer. The doctor passed away later that day from a heart attack that he had suffered mid-procedure.

Budget airline or major international carrier employees live and die, just as we do. It has nothing to do with the reliability, safey or economics of the company.

Speaking of safety. Why do you suppose their is a pilot and co-pilot?

I just hope that all pilots adhere to their medical check schedule.

They do and they have to...

It should be; "They do and they have to...." Reality is; "They should do and they have to...." There is some small Thai carriers flying in the present and past that come to mind!

And judging by the advertised recruitment on the Lion Air website, ex pats are taken on as captains. Their recruiting states that first officers and ab-initio are to be Indonesian citizens. Based on their ad, this pilot would be over 4000 hrs of pilot in command and in the left seat. The first officer obviously did what they were trained to do and land that bird alone, with the added stress of his partner incapacitated in his seat. I think for ANY pilot, this situation would be traumatic, but it shows that TRAINING kicked in and the man or woman at the controls in the right seat did what they practiced for.

I presume you meant Left hand seat. The Pilot who passed away was the 1st officer who was almost surely seated at the right hand seat. Guess just a type mistake on your side. Anyway good post from you!

Hold on folks!

You can't blame Lion Air for this. The Co-pilot was only 41 years old, would have had all required health checks and just happened to die of a presumed HEART ATTACK..... thousands of people around the world do the same thing every day...without any warning.

I have no vested interest in LION AIR but come on, "fair suck of the Sav" (forgive the Aussie expression) but honestly, there is no way you can blame the carrier for this. The Skipper obviously did exactly what he should have done and all ended well...except for the poor Co-Pilot.

EXACTLY, this is more or less what I have been trying to say in all my previous posts today

The Lion Group operates 153 aircraft today (about twice the size of TG) and has more than 200 planes on order. It does need some effective management to keep all this running smooth. so give them some credit. my condolences to family and friends.

And to all those that want to avoid LION AIR for their own interpretation of safety; I wish them safe flying on those airlines they consider safe.

Lion Air failed their IATA safety tests and are not members, they are also on a list of airlines not allowed to fly within EU airspace owing to their safety record. There have also been a number of incidences in which pilots have been found to be under the influence of drugs. - I would never fly them, or any airline not IATA certified.

IATA airlines do have NOTHING to do about safety. Most Budget and LCC carriers are NOT members of IATA and this has once again NOTHING to do with safety. Ryanair, easyjet, air Asia etc etc etc etc are NOT members of IATA too.

As I said in my previous post LION air is in the progress of being removed from the EU blacklist; which is kind of a strange list anyway.

Lion air is NOT an excellent first class airline BUT Lion air is a large airline that faces a difficult operating environment (indonesia) and it fastly improving to be at one point in the future an Excellent first class airline.

Oh well guess it was his time, Sad but completly natural, and as for the Bali incedent

no one can blame the run way the plane missed it and it went strait in the drink!

Just like the OZ incident at SFO. you can do training and training and training but human error remains a factor on ALL airlines. Didn't LH land on a runway that was still in progress of being build in Poland recently??

What a very strange comments that people will NOT fly Lion Air because a pilot dies on the flight deck. What does this have to do with Lion Air.

Having said this I am aware off certain short comings in Lion Air but things are improving fast. They are a huge airline now Malindo/Batik/wings/Lion Thai/Lion. They have their own flight school, training center and simulators. Right now Thai Lion is a much safer airline to fly on than Nok Air. Unfortunately I can not get into details here but lets put it nicely; Nok Air is not taking safety serious.

P2F; yes I am aware of this; Ryanair comes to mind and many other airlines in the world... So if a pilot is willing to pay to fly why Lion Air can take those guys too,

LOL sounds like you have vested interest in Lion AIr....

9 serious incidents in only the past 13 years! with 25 recorded fatalities.....

work that one out Captain..

In my first post I mentioned That Lion air did have their problems and has worked very hard to improve. It is very successful in this and currently under consideration to be removed from the EU blacklist. Many incidents in Indonesia are due to the extremely bad runway surfaces their which makes braking difficult. to improve air safety in Indonesia a massive investment is needed to bring runways to International standards (including those at CGK and DPS). And yes I have interest in Lion Air as aviation is my job!