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On 6/18/2021 at 6:31 AM, Caldera said:

 

So they went ahead with their cunning plan to squeeze 12 doses out of a vial that is meant for 10 doses then?

 

I think a point about number of doses needs to be clarified ,before some of you slag off the government. 

The estimate is between 350-420,000.

Here is why it's an estimate:

In order to extract six doses from a single vial, low dead-volume syringes and/or needles should be used. The low dead-volume syringe and needle combination should have a dead volume of no more than 35 microliters. If standard syringes and needles are used, there may not be enough of the vaccine to extract a sixth dose from a vial.

My source:

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/extra-dose-vials-comirnaty-covid-19-vaccine

All you denigrating Thailand, due to some crazy, stupid people, look at your own country, murders happen, Or do you come from a country without murders... Christians can teach, a thing, never heard anything so pathetic...............

Are you seriously comparing the murder rate in Thailand with Western Europe (Just for information, the murder rate here in Thailand is at least 5 times higher!)? There are crazy stupid people everywhere, of course. Crime is in every country, but try to be a little realistic - no where is perfect - just some places have considerably more crime than others. Incidentally, the US has a virtually similar "intentional homicide rate" to Thailand.

For the record, I do not wish to denigrate Thais as I think they are great people, one reason why I live here most of the year.

I have read this kind of comparison before, most recently in connection with 2 murdered British people with folks suggesting that "Scotland Yard needs to get it's house in order before interfering over here - another unrealistic comparison (Of corrupt police in that case)

Firstly, if this s completely true then I congratulate the driver.

But I raise a point set out earlier. If you have 60,000 baht in a bag are you likely to 'forget it'.?

Also, if it's left in the back what happened? Was the driver alerted by another passenger - in which case we should applaud the honest passenger. (The previous poster made the point about the driver checking the back of the bus each time a passenger gets off).

I just don't understand how this could have happened without the involvement of an honest 3rd party.

But, well done that man.

All good points and I guess a dishonest driver may have agreed to tell the police but not done so.

2nd road seemed almost finished today (between Pattaya Tai and Klang) - but as mentioned, I think, there are really deep sink holes where the drains are - watch the vehicles bounce up and down, or swerve to avoid, especially at the Klang end!

I just clocked up 50 (legal) years as a biker and ridden most of Europe (including islands) and the US, but no way would I get a bike in a major Thai city. I see bikes on their side nearly every day and have witnessed quite a lot of accidents. The attitude to riding safely and sensibly is non existent (not to mention the lunatic motorcycle taxis that some idiot farangs try to copy!).

Then why are all my favorite hotels charging higher advertised rates this year than the same months last year?

This is the dumbass business mentality,, the thinking is "if there are less people coming I need to charge more money to make up the revenue".

Yes, yes and yes! Just to add it also the same with a fair number of bars (like trying for a 500 baht bar fine! Yer what?) and some of these have already closed down (nothing new there then!). They never learn, although there are some notable exceptions who offer 2 for 1 or just have decent prices for booze and bar fines, free pool, etc.

A bit harsh jd, but probably correct! It's not relevant (whether true or not)to this discussion whether Thai's offer anything to the world or not and/ or if they are 25 years behind!

I get the idea you have integrated into the Thai society as much as it's possible to do so into a country/ culture that's different to your own. I don't spend enough time to do that successfully, but I do try - of course money is a great motivator as it is anywhere, but I'm fairly confident I've had some very pleasant exchanges where a Thai person can not financially benefit. They are not friends, but became nice acquaintances. My wife's (sadly deceased) family fall into that category - never asked for money and offered to pay every time. Maybe I'm lucky or naïve?

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These 2 posts more or less nails it for me. I don't live in Thailand - just spend 6 months of winter there, my base is the UK, but I also travel to different parts of the world trying to spend a month or more in one place. I guess you can get a different perspective if you are somewhere permanently and don't often see other places. I talk to people in the UK who rarely travel but will offer an opinion on the Spanish, Greeks or whoever and they may be right for all I know. They also have different opinions on what constitutes a friend. In my experience of Thai folks (I was married to a Thai - a lovely person) - is that they overuse the word by my standards ( my opinion, only!). UK people also have different ideas of what is a friend. A lot of (UK) people also say that their only real friends are those they went to school or University with - if true - a bit sad - I think.

I do, very much, agree with the point made about "Treat others as you expect to be treated yourself".

Is it April 1st?

Took the words out of my mouth - got to be the Thai equivalent, surely!

Wasn't that British nurse cured in London recently?

No-one knows - I mean that the doctors don't know if the nurse would've have survived, anyway. They particularly made the point that there was no real evidence to suggest to link his recovery to the drug - as has been pointed out here, trials are usually a very long winded affair in the West.

They are trialling drugs in the UK to see if there are any negative affects on people (as opposed to animals) - one has to assume that the medical world think they have is a possible cure and it would seem they are speeding up the trial system. Does that suggest they are more worried then they are willing to publically admit about the Ebola outbreak (rhetorical question, by the way!)?

Yep Sandy, it seems a lot of people can, but annoyingly my damn doctor is a job's worth, pedantic, inflexible ................. and so on! I will change surgeries. I never liked the arrogant man who has a real attitude problem anyway and he was hoisted on to me because, he doesn't have enough patients - there's a big surprise! And, he's been at the same surgery for 20 years!

That's my rant out the way!

It is a long time since I have used another practice so I am not sure what the norm is these days. At the practice I use you can choose whichever doctor you want. I book online so I used to pick one of three that was the most convenient. The one I preferred left and one of the other two became a bit offhand when I started to live in Thailand, so I just use the one now.

If you are considering a change then I would suggest you look for one that uses Systemonline, makes life an awful lot easier. I am assuming from your comments that you do not have that at the moment.

Here is some info on it. https://systmonline.tpp-uk.com/help/help.html

Thank you Sandy - very useful - good to get solid reliable information without sarcasm! My current surgery does allow repeat prescriptions online - but still with a 3 month limit (maybe doctor dependant - I don't know). It is very much first come first served on who you get for an appointment and, as I said, the doctor was dumped on me to handle my routine stuff. The system they use is not the same as the link you have given me but they are introducing a new system from next month that allows no choice - you ring or go in for an appointment and a doctor rings to see if you can have advice without an appointment or arranges one with you - sounds like a long winded system. However, another surgery, near by, does operate Systemonline although I don't know if you can choose which doctor. I will ask that question on my return. I will also see if there is a policy regarding prescriptions or I will need to somehow find the friendly one!

Once again, thanks Sandy.

Bob

Yep Sandy, it seems a lot of people can, but annoyingly my damn doctor is a job's worth, pedantic, inflexible ................. and so on! I will change surgeries. I never liked the arrogant man who has a real attitude problem anyway and he was hoisted on to me because, he doesn't have enough patients - there's a big surprise! And, he's been at the same surgery for 20 years!

That's my rant out the way!

My doctor gives me 6 months at a time no problem

Don't suppose you live on the South coast!!!!!!?????

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Live here in Thailand my doc knows

That confirms what I think about bloody awkward doctor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My doctor gives me 6 months at a time no problem

Don't suppose you live on the South coast!!!!!!?????

55,000 - strewth! Who pays that? Why do people buy Apple products - apart from that they are pretty and a status symbol?

"Apple is working on a new version"

I don't get how manufacturers (not just Apple - although they seem to be one of the worst) do this - surely they should be putting new ideas/ products through rigorous tests before putting them on the market? Apple are expensive products, but it would seem not such good quality.

I own a bar in Chiang Mai. Some of the bar girls have been around while others are very new. Ignore all statements that mention - it is all about the money. The ladies of Thailand are no different than anyone, anyplace else. Why would a woman want to hook up with a poor man, a cheap man, a loser, etc? If they do, then you and them are both sincerely stupid and will have a miserable life.

In other words, put yourself in their position. You want to marry a poor man.

Thai ladies are no different than any ladies in the world except they have fewer choices to make in men. Whoever they choose will cheat on them. They know that. They also know that many farangs are no good. They degrade the ladies, Thailand, Asia, etc. They think they are superior. The ladies no like.

Lastly, they need to make money. So if you go out with a 22 year old and your 65 then she is probably after getting paid for her services. You are a fracking customer. Got it!!!! A customer who gets what she gives, you take, you pay and then you have the ordacity to consider her lesser than you. Thai women hate men who think they are better, richer, more intelligent, etc. The ladies know who they are.

It is you stupid farangs who cannot see yourself outside of your culture.

Show respect. Be nice. Don't be cheap. Don't be demanding. and for gods shake get rid of the gold around you neck.

I like most of your points made here. They are realistic - but what I like most is the last para/ line about respect, being nice etc. All too often I see foul mouthed farangs treating their newly acquired (bar)girl like dirt on the bottom of their shoe. It doesn't matter what their background is and/ or what they do for a living, they are people. If you are nice/ show respect to them, you get the a pleasant response - even from the hardest of bargirls. Incidentally, for the record, 12 years ago I married a Thai woman with of good education and middle(ish) class background who was delightful and NOT money demanding. Sadly died of cancer 4 years ago. I am trying to say I haven't an axe to grind, either way, as I have been with bargirls who are way younger than me and we are not fooling each other as to why we are together - any more than the super rich guys with international models!

Sorry, I keep hitting "Post" - stupid me!

I noted later on it goes on about 3 months which I think is open to interpretation. Tomorrow I will find out, but it does seem another silly regulation in the case of someone like me who has had the same prescription for years with a constant supply of BP drugs without having my BP tested in the last 3 years. Like I said I test it myself and I'm pleased to say it has come down (as reported to the doctor)

Ho hum! Cheers

I meant to add the quote from the website you gave me (Thank you for that, by the way):

If you're taking a course of medication that will finish during your holiday, then get advice from your GP. They may be able to give you a repeat prescription.

However, this can depend on, for example:

how long your GP thinks you'll continue to need your medication

how often your treatment needs to be reviewed

I think my doctor is being pedantic, because I do not see him more than once a year - so he doesn't check and yet he issues repeat prescription via the internet. I have to go into the surgery to pick it up, but only to reception. Therefore the above exception appears to apply to me. I think it is up to the discretion of the doctor as above which is why my friend can get more than 3 months.

I am late to this discussion and so apologise. I hope that one of you knowledgeable types will clear this up. I was made aware of the 91 consecutive days or 181 days in any 12 months (which some folks say is not the case). I have trawled through all (I think) postings and it appears to be a very grey area, It seems that so long as you have an NI and/or NHS number and especially if you are already registered with a doctor, you can duck under the radar. However, I also read that there was a white paper this year which states the law will be changed with the suggestion that anyone who had paid NI contributions for at least 12 years will always be eligible. I also checked it out a while back;

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/268632/Sustaining_services__ensuring_fairness_-_Government_response_to_consultation_-_Equality_Analysis.pdf

On page 6 there is this statement:

Expatriates (irrespective of nationality)

Expatriates visiting the UK will be immediately entitled to free NHS services if they have previously made the required contribution to the UK (yet to be determined). The specific qualifying criteria will need to be developed but the intention is to make legislative changes in 2014 to this effect.

This has not yet moved forward! Why do I say that, you ask? Because today I asked my UK doctor for a 6 months prescription and he refused asking why and he said you are not entitled to more than 3 months if you out of the country. I tried to reason with him telling him about the white paper, but he refused to acknowledge that and said it wasn't a law. I rang the NHS help line and at first she knew nothing but then came back with the 90 day law and after discussion changed it to "probably" 6 months. I said what happens if it's more than 6 months? She said I would have to re-register. How long would I have to wait? She said you have to prove that you have moved back. I said I have a house here, is that proof? Yes. In other words, in my case, all things staying as they are, I can go away for any length of time!

I am over 65 and paid about 45years NI contributions and entitled to free presciptions as I think over 60 you are? However, I can't get more than 3 months from my doctor - change surgery? But may find the same problem.

Please can anyone tell me (Contrary to my doctor and the NHS helpline) if the white paper was passed, becoming law because I would love to wave a copy in front of my bloody awkward doctor! I would need a website quote, of course..

Thanks

You won't get a six month prescription off the NHS anywhere. They're limited to a maximum of 3 months. Apart from anything else they may need to do a medication review to make sure your meds are still appropriate. Most GPs (mine included) will not issue more than 2 months at a time. He may issue a script early if I tell him I'll be away when I need a new one but that's it.

http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/1755.aspx

Maybe you are not supposed to, but I know someone who regularly gets either 6 or 9 months. My doctor only calls me in once a year to check my blood pressure (Actually I do it at home, which he accepts). It seems to be down to individual doctors especially as yours only does 2 months - mine had always done 3 and sometimes a month in advance. The practise nurse had advised me to get 6 months and said all the doctor would do was to ring me - boy was she wrong. The practise manager is checking. Talk about a mess and mix of contradictions.

Do you go away for more than 2 months - if so, do you buy the drugs in Thailand and can you get the same drugs (important to me).

I am late to this discussion and so apologise. I hope that one of you knowledgeable types will clear this up. I was made aware of the 91 consecutive days or 181 days in any 12 months (which some folks say is not the case). I have trawled through all (I think) postings and it appears to be a very grey area, It seems that so long as you have an NI and/or NHS number and especially if you are already registered with a doctor, you can duck under the radar. However, I also read that there was a white paper this year which states the law will be changed with the suggestion that anyone who had paid NI contributions for at least 12 years will always be eligible. I also checked it out a while back;

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/268632/Sustaining_services__ensuring_fairness_-_Government_response_to_consultation_-_Equality_Analysis.pdf

On page 6 there is this statement:

Expatriates (irrespective of nationality)

Expatriates visiting the UK will be immediately entitled to free NHS services if they have previously made the required contribution to the UK (yet to be determined). The specific qualifying criteria will need to be developed but the intention is to make legislative changes in 2014 to this effect.

This has not yet moved forward! Why do I say that, you ask? Because today I asked my UK doctor for a 6 months prescription and he refused asking why and he said you are not entitled to more than 3 months if you out of the country. I tried to reason with him telling him about the white paper, but he refused to acknowledge that and said it wasn't a law. I rang the NHS help line and at first she knew nothing but then came back with the 90 day law and after discussion changed it to "probably" 6 months. I said what happens if it's more than 6 months? She said I would have to re-register. How long would I have to wait? She said you have to prove that you have moved back. I said I have a house here, is that proof? Yes. In other words, in my case, all things staying as they are, I can go away for any length of time!

I am over 65 and paid about 45years NI contributions and entitled to free presciptions as I think over 60 you are? However, I can't get more than 3 months from my doctor - change surgery? But may find the same problem.

Please can anyone tell me (Contrary to my doctor and the NHS helpline) if the white paper was passed, becoming law because I would love to wave a copy in front of my bloody awkward doctor! I would need a website quote, of course..

Thanks

I am late to this discussion and so apologise. I hope that one of you knowledgeable types will clear this up. I was made aware of the 91 consecutive days or 181 days in any 12 months (which some folks say is not the case). I have trawled through all (I think) postings and it appears to be a very grey area, It seems that so long as you have an NI and/or NHS number and especially if you are already registered with a doctor, you can duck under the radar. However, I also read that there was a white paper this year which states the law will be changed with the suggestion that anyone who had paid NI contributions for at least 12 years will always be eligible. I also checked it out a while back;

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/268632/Sustaining_services__ensuring_fairness_-_Government_response_to_consultation_-_Equality_Analysis.pdf

On page 6 there is this statement:

Expatriates (irrespective of nationality)

Expatriates visiting the UK will be immediately entitled to free NHS services if they have previously made the required contribution to the UK (yet to be determined). The specific qualifying criteria will need to be developed but the intention is to make legislative changes in 2014 to this effect.

This has not yet moved forward! Why do I say that, you ask? Because today I asked my UK doctor for a 6 months prescription and he refused asking why and he said you are not entitled to more than 3 months if you out of the country and will have to re-register on your return. I told him that I was coming back for Christmas and we get another 3 months then - which is very inconvenient, but better than dying from heart problems! I tried to reason with him telling him about the white paper, but he refused to acknowledge that and said it wasn't a law. I rang the NHS help line and she knew nothing but then came back with the 90 day law and after discussion changed it to "probably" 6 months. I said what happens if it's more than 6 months? She said I would have to re-register. How long would I have to wait? She said you have to prove that you have moved back. I said I have a house here, is that proof? Yes. In other words, in my case, all things staying as they are, I can go away for any length of time! I am over 65 and so entitled to free prescriptions as I think over 60, you are?

However, I can't get more than 3 months from my doctor - change surgery? May find the same problem.

Please can anyone tell me (Contrary to my doctor and the NHS helpline) if the white paper was passed, becoming law because I would love to wave a copy in front of my bloody awkward doctor! I would need a website quote, of course. I agree that this is morally wrong as is the state pension not allowed inflation increases. However, governments aren't interested in morals and most of the public think people like me are just rich bastards who don't deserve any help. I have an average pension for the record as do a lot of retired folk in Thailand.

I really am very sorry for any offence I caused and really meant the apology. I made an honest mistake - a stupid one? I know you guys are very experienced in these things (as I said several times). I've been getting visas for a number of countries (mostly Thailand) for a few years. The one year visa was new to me last year. All I did was stupidly and sloppily misread the first and probably subsequent posts (as did others). I am sorry that my apology did not sound genuine. I have certainly learnt a lesson on this forum and will be extra vigilant when I post again. I do not like confrontation (As most people would tell you). I would however, appreciate a bit of slack. I've obviously ruffled a few feathers even though I have apologised and explained several times.

I humbly apologise for causing you all a load of hassle - please accept this apology.

I'm not sure what you want from me. I apologised - we all make mistakes. I will add that you need to read my posts more carefully before going into attack mode! Allow me to make mistakes please and I wasn't the only one who didn't understand, was I? Or did you miss that post?

By the way, what makes you think because I've only made 16 posts on this forum that I don't have any experience?

Do you think that knowledge of Thai living only revolves around Thaivisa forums?

OK enough now. Take care and have fun - Bye

Cheers

To Suradit:

I find your response a little insulting and unnecessary. I didn't read the O-A in the first porting as some others didn't - ok, I admit that important things can be in the detail, but we all miss detail that doesn't make me stupid and was it really necessary for you to state "NON-IMM O-A NON-IMM-O" adding the unpleasant "Can you spot the difference?"? Unnecessary side swipe on Thais as well, by the way.

I am new to this forum and hope that most folks don't feel the need to make those sort of childish insults.

By the way, OJAS, I know Hull Consulate don't issue OA etc. visas and I didn't I say they that, which is why I applied to London to get my O visa - however, Hull Consulate are far more accessible on the phone an respond virtually by return to emails AND, as it turns out, did give me the right advise.

I apologised in my earlier email for the misunderstanding and would like to lay this to rest as did nabbie

Ooops! Sorry, I got the impression you knew what you were talking about and somehow I'd got it wrong.

Thanks for your patience.

Cheers