Fred Flinstone

You could consider a military coup being an action of Lese Majeste itself. And a rape of the Constitution.

OK , i see your point-

Regards the undeniable growth under Thaksin

No wonder they are rewriting history books.

But the truth is the man improved Thailand immensely -

Growth of up to 7%

Whats going on now now is their business .

Its pointless to expect a western nation to sign on to their Hunt for him.

Especially given some countries like Australia don't even permit the Junta themselves on their soil.

America , and UK , western Europe , none seem remotely interested

Are you sure Thaksin's that good? Most years under Thaksin, Thailand had the lowest GDP growth of 4 big ASEAN countries. Growth up to 7.1%. Neighouring countries had growth up to 13.3%.

GDP Growth 2000-2006 (http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?page=1)

2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006

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Thailand 4.8 2.2 5.3 7.1 6.3 4.6 5.1

Cambodia 8.8 8.0 6.7 8.5 10.3 13.3 10.8

Malaysia 8.9 0.5 5.4 5.8 6.8 5.3 5.6

Vietnam 6.8 6.2 6.3 6.9 7.5 7.5 7.0

Maybe that can put an end to the "Thaksin's a financial genius" BS.

You foolishly post a figure of 2003 that shows it was (as i mentioned "growth up to 7%") in fact up to 7%.

In a debate you don't validate the opponents claim.

Those above figures *(in case the reader is unaware ) are good economic results

Junta invites students participate in reform but continues intimidating anti-coup student http://t.co/VeJwB7hdIx

Exactly.

What's the point? They are not truly free to express themselves or challenge the almighty Junta. You're not even allowed to read 1984

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You might notice that there has been very little condemnation from the rest of the world

BS

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You could consider a military coup being an action of Lese Majeste itself. And a rape of the Constitution.

OK , i see your point-

Regards the undeniable growth under Thaksin

No wonder they are rewriting history books.

But the truth is the man improved Thailand immensely -

Growth of up to 7%

Whats going on now now is their business .

Its pointless to expect a western nation to sign on to their Hunt for him.

Especially given some countries like Australia don't even permit the Junta themselves on their soil.

America , and UK , western Europe , none seem remotely interested

After the 1997 Thai disease, a few years of Chuan government led austerity, we had Thaksin blessed with a world wide boom and the good measures of his predecessor.

Anyway, good at least Australia shows the world, a world which doesn't really seem interested though.

On the contrary - seems they do

You say the world doesn't seem interested in the Australian Tough stance?

So can you answer what Western country your beloved general thinks was going through with extradition of LM cases and anti - Government protests (movements) he claims they won't permit? *(when in fact they all do)

As his recent overseas trip showed

France , Italy , Germany , New Zealand , UK < United States?

In at least two other threads he claims western countries assurances ?

Even here its laughable that he thinks Thaksin is going to give a hoot about what is just same old non sense.

The reality is Western countries are interested in not caving into this Military demands /requests.

If so name one?

You could consider a military coup being an action of Lese Majeste itself. And a rape of the Constitution.

OK , i see your point-

Regards the undeniable growth under Thaksin

No wonder they are rewriting history books.

But the truth is the man improved Thailand immensely -

Growth of up to 7%

Whats going on now now is their business .

Its pointless to expect a western nation to sign on to their Hunt for him.

Especially given some countries like Australia don't even permit the Junta themselves on their soil.

America , and UK , western Europe , none seem remotely interested

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If I remember correctly there is a list of countries which have asked Thailand to extradite their fugitives lately and have not been refused, the US and Russia two that come to mind.

This must have created good will among those countries so should Thailand make a similar request it would in all likelihood be looked on favorably.

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No hope from Western countries -

In fact because of Thailand being under the rule of Military , the reverse is true.

Thaksin was in power for 5 years and changed this country for the better forever

You really should attempt not to post while on drugs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaksin_Shinawatra

After a historic election victory in 2001, he became prime minister, the country's first to serve a full term. Thaksin introduced a range of policies to alleviate rural poverty; highly popular, they helped reduce poverty by half in four years. He launched the country's first universal healthcare program, the 30-baht scheme, as well as a highly notorious drug suppression campaign. Thaksin embarked on a massive program of infrastructure investment, including roads, public transit, and Suvarnabhumi Airport. Nevertheless, public sector debt fell from 57% of GDP in January 2001 to 41% in September 2006. Levels of corruption were perceived to have fallen, with Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index improving from 3.2 to 3.8 between 2001 and 2005. The Thai Rak Thai party won an unprecedented landslide in the 2005 general election, which had the highest voter turnout in Thai history.

Correct any detached analysis by financial institutions show the remarkable success under TS .

Fanatics here are irrelevant to history.

By comparison this unelected Government is not even worthy of comment-

Thailand continues to falter

They shouldn't be having any discussions with this latest junta.

Just tell them that the thai people know it the rest of the world knows it and they themselves the junta knows that they are an unelected illegal government .

Just give them an election and get out and go an pursue your career as an Indian wedding planner because you sure can't cut it in politics.

Its Insidious they go near students -

Most of the time its to bully them .

Children , and Youth have very right to demand a democracy in their nation .

Good luck

I hope the Thai news media insists that Sek Wannamethee provide evidence of the "many western countries will not tolerate anti-Thai government movements for the sake of accuracy and transparency DEMANDED by Gen. Prayuth from the news media. And if Sek fails, he should be immediately dismissed. Or is pro-Junta propoganda exempt from honesty?

I think even the Bangkok journalists and media in general realise this country has many false claims being thrown about.

Stocks are falling as people realise this guy is not doing business with the real world

He will now have a better case for asylum than ever. I really don't think they have thought this one through, it would have been a lot easier to extradite him before the coup.

All he has to do is argue that the coup has been orchestrated by a rival political group and claim that the charges, as brought against him in absentee, were false, and he fears that he will not receive a fair chance of appeal or a retrial if he were to return. Simple stuff, and almost all countries in the world have a legal obligation under Article 1 of the Geneva Convention to accept him if he manages to get in first.

Article 1 of the Convention as amended by the 1967 Protocol provides the definition of a refugee:

"A person who owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it.."

Correct - Thaksin will never be extradited .

The general needs to be clear -

WE (those of us abroad) are not his public and its demeaning to even address us.

I can say what i want about him or any Thai national on social media .

I can speculate the The Economy and its future with stock brokers or dinner guests , people on line.

I realise this site has rules so i avoid too much comment - but elsewhere freedom to speak is not his business.

For most free nations to extradite they would need a treaty in place first, but even then, it would be difficult to send home if you couldn't tick yes to most, or all these. So let's tick or 'x' the following:

1. The right to a fair trial (X)

2. The charge is not politcally motivated (X)

3. The country is run by a democratically elected government (X)

4. The country has a basic right to freedom of speech and expression (X)

After Obama's comments about ''Not censoring due to foreign dictatorships'' Thailand has its answer already.

Correct -

Anyhow LM and Critical of Juntas is no crime in Western countries where Thailand is concerned .

Examples for Australia

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_reg/esoar465/sch1.html

Absolutely True -

You get approval its great!

Mass coverage thousands heart of Sydney - it goes global .

The ABC rally was about Australian Government cuts to The ABC TV …the TV media on all channels ran with it.

Print Media - Twitter - Facebook.

Gough Whitam's state funeral was fantastic there.

Yes i think its a marvellous venue for Freedom of speech and its Great To live in such a country-

The American Government have approved of ""Free Thai Movement "" run by Thais.

So again more freedom of expression .

I am sure the Germans - French - and British , as well as New zealand , Italy , Swiss , Norway , all have similar views on freedom of speech and appropriate places to conduct it.

Its what makes us Great !

Apart from the VOA article from 2014-06-25 with

"Jarupong tells VOA that true victory to rid Thailand of its latest military government may take a long time but he will pursue it “through non-violent means just like Gandhi and the Dalai Lama.”"

http://www.voanews.com/content/free-thai-movement-leader-pledges-no-violence/1944413.html

I haven't heard or read much about the FT-HD. I certainly missed the American 'approval'. A quick search fails me. Any pointer on this, Fred ?

It is a foolish dream to think that the UN or any democratic nations in the west will provide meaningful support , But it is worth countering the lies of the military and telling the truth about the political situation in the world media. This can be an important task for those Thais who live abroad. It sort many approvals to conduct Home- soil activities , similar to grass roots movements in Australia and UK.

You Tube will help you if you Type in the required name.

Whats being said clearly is State departments there or Australia "must" approve Government buildings being used for legal purposes .

So when it claims its approved it means "to preach "

Land of the Free *(after all)

I think given Junta sensitivities further discussion isn't best done here.

However, its clear Governments in the West are not co-operating with the muzzling of such groups.

Planned anti Thai Government and LM laws - protests in Sydney and Government approval in form of permitting Town Hall use after application.

ABC broadcaster highly supportive

Twitter from several western nations all out to expose fabrication .

This seems to be back firing

It would seem Sydney Town Hall is popular with protesters of any kind. Last month we even had

"Thousands attended a 'Hands Off Our ABC' rally at Town Hall, Sydney on November 22, 2014."

Absolutely True -

You get approval its great!

Mass coverage thousands heart of Sydney - it goes global .

The ABC rally was about Australian Government cuts to The ABC TV …the TV media on all channels ran with it.

Print Media - Twitter - Facebook.

Gough Whitam's state funeral was fantastic there.

Yes i think its a marvellous venue for Freedom of speech and its Great To live in such a country-

The American Government have approved of ""Free Thai Movement "" run by Thais.

So again more freedom of expression .

I am sure the Germans - French - and British , as well as New zealand , Italy , Swiss , Norway , all have similar views on freedom of speech and appropriate places to conduct it.

Its what makes us Great !

Barak Obama, speaking about the North Korean cyber attack on Sony, "we cannot allow a foreign dictator to apply censorship in America". So there we have it, good luck to the general in his quest.

check mate

They are suggesting getting the truth into North Korea to its people http://cnn.it/1wKgRYN

This is a good plan in Thailand too

Idiotic statement purely for domestic consumption. Such fairytales could once be force fed to the lower classes as facts, nowadays as another thread highlights most Thais have iPhones and get their news from more reliable sources than Junta mouthpieces. The times they are a changing!

It might even be a threat ?

Having seen the ""other "" Military leader make Sony Back down - it could be an attempt to intimidate Western leaders ?

Though , the article did say they have agreed already?

Just not who?

Its very interesting and i somehow think he needs to be more honest with the world (if not Thais )

The Free Thai Organisation is an American example where Government there approves of its statements .

Australia has similar Government approval for Thai groups so one wonders who they refer to ""which western Governments?

I bet in North Korea that they are reporting that the western world is shaking in its boots at their great leader Kim Jong-Un...

Problem is Thais Will Get to see the backlash of this spectacular own goal by the regime here. It won't be reported on television But the internet will be awash with news. A victory for freedom of thought and expression.

Yes the Thais will be deeply ashamed of the deceit

Sadly the more one reads and hears concerning KohTao the more one gets the feeling that something is not right.Strange deaths that are passed off as, or regarded as accidental.Murder investigations that are totally flawed etc etc

Why does there seem to be an ongoing cover up ?

There seems to be no regard for the rule of law and order on the island or is it the fact there is no law and order on the island which seems to be in a state of anarchy.

There appears to be total silence from the islands political team, council and the police and business and medical community who all seem to be somewhat inept ,corrupt.

Lies and deceit seem to be the norm, why are there no comments from the residents both Thai and foreign.It would seem a possibility that a solo killer, a psychopath or the possibility a group of violent characters roaming around the island bent on violence and subsequent death, again not necessarily 100% Thai in its make up either.

The island seems to be a snake pit of violence corruption lies and deceit, yet we still see posters spring to the defense of the island .Indeed one is left to speculate why there is such support ans ongoing denials of the truth on this island.

Perhaps a clean out of the administration team and what passes as the police farce force on this island may well be in order if in fact not long overdue.

Or maybe this death was an accident; drunk person falls of a cliff is not exactly a far fetched scenario, is it?

Until one reads of the effects of such a fall.

Do you think no signs on the body can be manifested after such a high fall?

Look , only a few people are left still believing the Thai versions on almost anything these days.

Some people refer to them as suckers - fools.

Well, this sucker actually read the article on the OP and the coroners opinion on the injuries.

An appointed Thai one- whose evidence is refuted in more civilised countries

Your not allowed to be critical of Government -

This thread is designed to make us forget this

A Newspaper , that is a mouth piece is even seeing its freedoms dimmed-

Soon it will be ""Obama Praises General "" and anyone questioning this will get LM laws slapped on them .

Watch

The United States has pin pointed "tactics" Thais might use to force a desired result .