teej

Yes, I believe there are different races. Don't you? That came from my own head. I still think you are talking gibberish and avoiding the issue. This is what I think. I think you hate Jews. I think alot of your friends hate Jews and you aren't used to being challenged on your bigotry. How do you like them apples?

You have the most hate inside you of anyone posting in this thread - sad thing is, you don't even know it.

You have now replaced your incessant "you're a racist" reply to everything to "you hate Jews?" Are you serious? What's your next accusation, "you are a Nazi?"

No, of course I do not believe that there are different "races." The concept is absurd and out-dated (I would even suggest that only "racist" people believe in "races" - think that one through if you can). Ethnicities, yes. Cultures, yes. Race implies some ignorant desire to categorize what cannot be categorized - and it also implies that humans are genetically different according to "race."

If humans are still around in a billion years, we'll see that "race" was just a social construct in a time where something convenient was needed to describe what amounts to different ethnic populations.

There are alot of races. Is this what you wanted, teej?

Wiki

Ra′ces of the World. The most general division of the human family is into five great races: the Caucasian, the Mongolian, the Malay, the Ethiopian and the American. The Caucasian race is the most numerous and the most widely spread over the earth of all the races. It is distinguished by a fair complexion, a high forehead, straight hair and a beard varying in color. This race is dispersed over nearly the whole of Europe and North America, northern Africa and large areas in Asia, Australia and southern Africa. It leads the other races in literature, commerce and all the arts of civilization. The Mongolian race has a yellowish complexion, small eyes, prominent cheekbones and rather coarse, black hair. It comprises the Chinese, the Japanese, the Turks and many other nations in Asia, with the Magyars of Hungary and the Esquimaux of North America. The Malay race has a dark-brown complexion, with a skull like the Caucasian; a flat face like the Ethiopian; and straight, dark hair like the Mongolian. This race is found in Madagascar, Australia, the islands of the Pacific and the Malay Peninsula of Asia. The Ethiopian or African race has a black complexion, a rather low forehead, a broad, flat nose, thick lips, thin beard and woolly hair. It inhabits the greater part of Africa, although it has ten million representatives in North America. The American race (Indians) has a red or copper-colored skin, high cheek bones, coarse, black hair and scanty beard. It is found in certain portions of North America and South America. The population of the world may be estimated in round numbers at 1,500,000,000, of which more than 1,000,000,000 belong to the Caucasian and Mongolian races. Various divisions and subdivisions of thece races have been made by ethnologists durng the last twenty-five years.

You had to go to Wiki? Can't formulate your own opinion? That's been your theme for this entire discussion. You can't formulate opinions or justify statements, you just throw out "you/he/they are racist." Are you completely unaware that there are so many levels of understanding that haven't even been breached - and can't be explored without giving up that ridiculous "race" card.

Any academic would tell you that that information is 8th grade level rubbish. Why don't you go Wiki some other info on the social construction of the term "race" and how it conveniently masks other underlying problems. Educate yourself before you start spouting false information. Otherwise, you just look more foolish as the thread continues.

And by posting that rubbish you indicate that you actually believe in this thing called "race?" Orders of magnitude, surely.

I see you've lowered yourself to posting what amounts to propaganda. Simple fact of the matter is your precious "race" argument does not apply in the Samuian case.

And before you go on, please answer my simple question that I've kindly asked you twice to answer:

Pray do tell how many "races" there are in this "racist" world of yours, and please name these "races."

Your refusal to answer the question, a question that your whole rant of "race" and "racism" is based upon will only indicate to me that we are on different intellectual levels, perhaps in orders of magnitude.

I won't reply until you've addressed this question, and you can keep posting examples of "hate" from other societies and other times that have absolutely nothing to do with Samui. Like I said, you've shown your cards. Throwing around the word "racism" so defiantly yet so casually just solidifies your ignorance in the matter.

Suppose I run a business and put up a sign that says "no blacks allowed", would that be discrimination, racism, or a business decision?

And yes, thanks, for the blacks example. To say no Israelis means No Jews and is just as offensive as no blacks.

I figured somebody would think they are smart and go this route. Don't be ridiculous and try to apply thousands of years of history (in the case of Israel) and hundreds of years (in the case of blacks) to the issue we are discussing about Koh Samui, KPG, or Koh Tao. It's like grabbing for straws and trying to pull the "racist" card again. Samui has no history of ethnic conflict as it pertains to Israelis or blacks or whatever.

15 years ago I doubt any Thai resident of Samui knew what "Israel" was and had probably never even heard of the word. Between then and now, I doubt they've been reading Nazi propaganda and subscribing to anti-semite newsletters and reading up on their new hatred of Jews. What happend then?

What happened was that in that short period of time, the residents of Samui had had enough bad encounters with Israelis for them to formulate their own opinion of them, based on nothing but their behavior, not some radical "racist" "anti-semite" agenda as you would so love to believe. Of course there were some good Israelis I'm sure, but clearly the bad were bad enough for the residents of Samui to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

So in a short period of time, one groups bad behaviours have made them out of favor with the residents (even moreso than any drunk Brits, whoever) strictly on the basis of their consistently poor behavior. As I'm sure the residents of Samui aren't Nazi sympathizers, they have come up with their conclusion based on what was happening in front of their eyes, and hence made their business decisions, not based on any historical "racism" or other radical belief that you'd like to appoint to them, but just from a lot of bad experience with one very specific group of people.

To try to apply examples from hundreds/thousands of years of conflict among groups to this situation in Samui is ridiculous and won't work.

Go ahead and keep trying to pull out examples of the "race" card - but it simply doesn't apply to Samui/KPG/Tao.

Another thing Jingthing:

Since you brought up the word "scapegoating": The term "racist" is the biggest scapegoat of them all. Utterly abused and totally contrived out of convenience to describe what people can't grasp as ethnic differences.

It's just far too easy to throw down the word "racist" and have the PC crowd clam up in fear, isn't it? It's the people with the least understanding of cultural/ethnic differences (and dare I say, the World) that throw around the word "racist" because in contemporary culture it's such a loaded word.

You jump so quickly to cry "racist" and confound real issues as those of "race." To me, that's a sign that you've shown your cards. Your statements defiantly imply ignorance in others, but in fact the truth is that what you say and how you say it only reveals your own ignorance.

And I'd lke to hear your answer to the question I posed above: Pray do tell how many "races" there are in this "racist" world of yours, and please name these "races."

Excuse me, do the signs say No Israelis or do they say No Rowdy Youths? Perhaps I have this wrong and they are not SCAPEGOATING Jews. If so, I apologize.

Or perhaps you do not acknowledge that to most people, Israeli = Jewish state = Jews

BTW, if a guesthouse made a policy, no groups of backpackers over five people because they are afraid they can't control that many wild young people, that is a reasonable and fair business decision. No Israelis. That is anti-semitism.

Jingthing, you're confusing discrimination with "racism." And you're in fact saying that discrimination is ok when it applies to your backpacker example but not ok (and up the rating to "anti-semitism" when it comes Israelis). The backpacker example is discrimination as is the other case, you just didn't add that the inference in the "No Israelis" case exactly similar to the backpacker case, aka "they are afriad they can't control them."

No backpackers over five people = discrimination

No Israelis = discrimination

No backpackers over five people because we haven't been able to control them = business decision

No Israelis because in our experience they trash our rooms and complain = business decision

Next issue:

Race? First of all, no such word. Period full stop. Per your example above Israeli = Jewish = Jews and you're touting "racism" against Israelis which is tantamount (according to your equation) to saying "racism" agains Jews. So Jews are a "race" now? Pray do tell how many "races" there are in this "racist" world of yours, and please name these "races."

But maybe she just wanted a REAL man, and I am what you call a MAN's MAN.

Tough-guy spin kicker turns out to be a Boystown Pin Licker. Confirmed.

no matter how you try to rationalize it at the end of the day any decision taken against a group of people based on nationality religion etc.. is racist.

That depends on whether the decision was based on some sort of information.

Consider this:

You MUST loan out your LIFE SAVINGS to 2 out of 3 people. The only thing you know about them is their Nationality. You must exclude one person:

Person 1: Swedish

Person 2: Japanese

Person 3: Nigerian

Which 2 are you gonna chose? Everybody knows the answer whether or not they admit it or not, so fine, everybody is a little "racist." Don't kid yourself here.

Then consider you have more information:

Person 1: Swedish - drunk, rapist, theif, murderer

Person 2: Japanese - former banker, now a monk, started free veterinary clinic.

Person 3: Nigerian - successful businessman with law degree, takes on pro bono law cases on the side and has a children's charity among others.

Which 2 are you going to choose now? Again, everybody knows the answer. This time the decision has nothing to do with nationality, the decision is based on other information.

I'm not going to argue the idea of "racism" on this thread, that wasn't the point. My friend is doing fine now, his stitches came out today - and like I said before, we're probably not going to hang out with some Israeli dudes on an island anytime soon. That must make us totally racist.

By that account then, highdiver, everybody on ThaiVisa is pretty much "racist" against the Thais. So many threads about "don't date this type' "stay away" "i dont' want some somchai fixing my car" "can somebody build my house, my father in law is trying to take advantage of me" all of these things could be considered "racist" if define with a broad enough stroke.

Making a decision based on nothing is one thing. Making decisions based on experience is another.

For somebody so idealistic like jingthing, he's very quick to judge and label. Claude doesn't house Israelis? Racist? Teej sees Claudes reasoning as it pertains to his bottom line? Racist. He doesn't know a thing about Claude or me, and yet he's oh so quick to judge and even throw in the "I don't know how you look at yourselves in the mirror" as if we're skinhead serial killers. Calling somebody "racist" is a pretty hefty charge.

Or overly racist or anti-semitic either.

Why makes Claude's business decision so clearly racist and anti-semitic to you?

He said he's had problems with Israeli guys at his place. He said he doesn't have problems with Scandies, etc. So he's making a business decision. It's not like he's out there waving the Nazi flag calling for genocide. He's just a <deleted> small business owner.

Buisiness owners like Claude are free to make their own decisions. If they consistently have bad experiences with one particular group, then it's certainly his decision whether or not to exclude business dealings with said group. It's his money and his business. I don't view it as racist, it's business.

i wonder... if those business owners will will feel the same way if they knew that there was a post or a recommendation spreading around not to come to this business because the owner is French or German. (no offense to either nationality just given as an example) would that be good for business as well??

You never know highdiver. If French or German buisiness owners on Samui have a bad reputation (deseved or not), then whatever is spreading around the internet regarding these guys would be backed up by experience, otherwise it's just bashing the French or German owners for bashing's sake.

It is highly likely that Claude's business is doing better because of his "restrictions." He may lose his potential Israeli clients, but at a minimal cost.

Now for Japan not to sell cars to the USA because they hate round eyes would have an affect on business surely to the point where they'd have to do business whether they liked it or not.

Let's not be overly idealistic here.

Jingthing, there will always be some argument similar to yours re: business practices such as Claude's.

"So this girl broke up with me, now is it right to hate all girls!?!"

or

"A tuk tuk driver ripped me off, now is it right to hate all thais?!!?!?"

Frankly, you're always going to be able to come up with something to question the "fairness" of something such as Claude's decisions.

But we're not in the post-adolescent-idealistic stage of life anymore, at least most of us. And some of our experiences affect our future decisions. To what degree you allow them to influence your character could be the difference between "racism,""classism," whatever, and just an informed choice.

Buisiness owners like Claude are free to make their own decisions. If they consistently have bad experiences with one particular group, then it's certainly his decision whether or not to exclude business dealings with said group. It's his money and his business. I don't view it as racist, it's business.

My gf is one year older than me.

40+ years younger? I'd love to hear the conversations between those couples.

I wonder if we can merge this poll somehow with the "how old are you?' poll.... "I'm 30 and my gf is 20 years younger" is much different than "I'm 60 and my gf is 20 years younger."

But 40+ years younger? That puts you dudes at at least 58 to be legal. 60+ I'd guess. That's 2-3 generations?! You're most likely as old as the bird's grandmother....

Touche INTJ.

As an avid (rabid) Saab enthusiast, I was just a little peeved at what I saw going on at the time, esp given that the owner of the car is a friend of mine and all of our cars are usually sold within the "group" and rarely are the good ones sold to "outsiders" - the main reason for that is that we've loved these cars and don't want to let them go to somebody who will not look after it or just look at it as a cheap car or flip it to make a profit...

I've nothing against making a buck, I'm guilty on all counts of making money. I just have an unwavering love for SAABs, that's all.

I didn't really mean to offend, INTJ, I was just pissed that day. I apologize. SAAB guys are kinda weird.

edit: ok fine you were looking to make like 10k baht, but that Volvo dude is looking to ass-rape somebody. That car he's selling is worth 250 and he's selling for 450? so you may be right, he may require an outing!

Am i correct in my understanding that the Volvo 850 Turbo that's being sold by the forum sponsor for 450k used to belong to your friend? I thought that most of those cars were simply being advertised on that site on behalf of the owners to help them sell, and not that they were owned by the forum sponsor.

If your friend did sell his car to the forum sponsor, may i ask why he didn't try to sell it privately himself and just how much exactly did he receive?

Sorry if i was unclear, rix: The 850 is did NOT belong to my friend. I have no association with the 850. It was another car that INTJ had that used to belong to my friend, and that story was long ago between me and INTJ , so it may confuse those who are reading this thread.

Re: the forum sponsor. I know when they started out, they were selling expat only cars to expats only (and selling Fortuners). That was the attraction, under the assumption that an expat "trusts" another expat when it comes to buying his car (who knows if this is a reasonable assumption - i know some pretty shady expats).

Now it seems that the forum sponsor is selling more "Thai-owned" cars, which could be friends of friends, etc., but to me it kinda looks like they are headed to the "tent" side of used cars rather than the "specialty" thing they had going on before. Member Terdsak is/was the owner I think, maybe he can clarify, but he hasn't posted in a long time.

So if I'm 30 do I vote in the 20-30 category or the 30-40 category?

Same prob for those who are 40 and 50...

Touche INTJ.

As an avid (rabid) Saab enthusiast, I was just a little peeved at what I saw going on at the time, esp given that the owner of the car is a friend of mine and all of our cars are usually sold within the "group" and rarely are the good ones sold to "outsiders" - the main reason for that is that we've loved these cars and don't want to let them go to somebody who will not look after it or just look at it as a cheap car or flip it to make a profit...

I've nothing against making a buck, I'm guilty on all counts of making money. I just have an unwavering love for SAABs, that's all.

I didn't really mean to offend, INTJ, I was just pissed that day. I apologize. SAAB guys are kinda weird.

edit: ok fine you were looking to make like 10k baht, but that Volvo dude is looking to ass-rape somebody. That car he's selling is worth 250 and he's selling for 450? so you may be right, he may require an outing!

Fees on fees. That's the kicker that I Buffet wants to make known on his famous Long Bet vs. a hedge fund (another point is paying % profits to the hedge fund manager).

But the fees on fees structure is definitely not made to make the investor rich. I hate fees!

Well my friend is feeling better. He's acting like an old grandma when he gets up from the couch etc. from his broken rib(s) but he's ok. Side if his face has changed color since his beating from red, brown, green, yellow, kind of like a rainbow - new color every day.

He's not said anything to me about it, but I still feel bad about recommending a vacation spot for him and him coming back all beat up. I've known the guy since university and his cooler head has prevailed in many situations where my mouth could have gotten me into trouble. I just feel bad that I wasn't there to help him somehow. I also feel bad because he and his girl were going to go to Santiburi on Samui and I told him not to waste his money and recommended a place on Koh Tao instead. I think he'd be playing tennis with his girl right now instead of playing Nintendo with me if he had stayed at Santiburi.

Re: the rest of the thread: I only mentioned Israel because he mentioned Israel and he only mentioned it because the Thai guy mentioned it. I have no opinion of Israelis, I've never been to Israel. My friend and I have chalked it up to "stupid drunk fcuks" not "Israelis" but I doubt either one of us will be hanging out with a group of Israeli dudes on an island in the near future. That's all I have to say about that!

OK I see, thanks for answering. Well I'm off to bed now, good luck w/yr US futures lanna.

TOPIX... hmm....something i never considered... but then I figure it would be another market I don't know and would probably set myself up for a nice beating.

Yeah lanna, the Hang Seng is a floor-trader's wet dream. Its 2,3,4,5% moves are normal! Truly an amazing market, true to the values of Hong Kong itself, where fortunes and empires can be made and lost, all right before your eyes...

Don't be humble lanna, I think you're pretty good at your charts, and I like them. I don't know what they mean or how to interpret them, but I still like them. Pictures... mmm....

Also, why do you stay up so late, if I may? I don't know many older gents who are up as late as you are... hey myself I'm a night-owl too, but do you get up early too or sleep in? Are you trading foreign markets, is that why you're up late? Myself, I like the night because it's quiet. That said, I'm gonna go stalk someone now....

edit: about the Hang Seng's volatility... I learned a hard lesson on a volatility spread this past March. I had been holding cash for so long (since December 07) that I just had to do something. And I got butt-raped, to put it nicely. I attribute it to "an aberration in Time Decay." I still don't really know what happened to my position except that, well, it butt-raped me.

Welcome to the Motor Forum

Well, first, you can consider buying from Toyota the parts you need and doing the service yourself. I'm sure Toyota lets you buy parts, right?

Otherwise maybe places like B-Quick? Surely they must stock the needed parts for a Vios, as they are everywhere (the Viosi(plural) that is)

I've never had experience with Cockpit, but I think many members have beef or two with that outfit.

Hope this helps.

The early C70 was not sold here in Thailand so I cannot get one, if I could that would be my first choice. see my C70 pic.

Spot the C70 Vert hiding behind her Swedish cousin

There is only one other one I know of in BKK - a red one.

Never seen a coupe though... but why go coupe when you can go drop-top

Re: the 850. The forum sponsor seems to be hawking a red 850 for double market price if you wanna take a look.

Thanks lanna, I was hoping you'd chime in. Also LaoPo.

It's just a bet. Between friends. But the stakes are high(er). My mate has more money than I do probably by 3x I'd guess. He kept working after we left the trading floor together.

I don't trade stocks. I only trade options/warrants (the only thing I was ever 'good at' financially). And even with the options, I haven't traded in quite some time except brutal volatility spread that took me from behind in March. This is part of the reason why I was asking about International Brokers, just wanted some info.

But this wager got into my head and I really do want that parking spot of his. Maybe non-Hongkoners don't appreciate the value of a good parking spot, but it's considered real estate in HK, and yes they run around 100K USD for good ones.

Lanna and LaoPo thanks for the input, as I was kind of taking on the bet just for fcuks sake, as I'm not an equity guy. So I figured lanna at least would have a fancy chart for me to ponder which he provided as I had expected from him...

Gary, you think I'm lying. I can accept that. Here is a rundown of my confirmation emails that I received when 'testing' out my broker/dealer in the morning. I wanted to see how fast orders were placed, etc. I put in the order 10 spreads away and canceled it as we got about 2 spread away. Incidentally, after I canceled my order (300K is a big order, the stock usually trades in little 10k-15k lots) the bids disappeared and the stock dropped 10 cents. This is in a pretty illiquid stock.

Interestingly, looking at the offers, they were ALL Deutsche broker/dealers, and I mean ALL, from the market offer to multiple spreads back. The bids were from little crappy chinese security houses. The only reason I kept the order for so long was because Deutsche had an offer for 700K shares and I didn't believe it, so I wanted to shake them out (this idea stems from when I was trading options, sometimes I'd trade Globex and the e-minis were new then, you had a lot of people putting in huge orders a spread away to try to move the market - at that time trading was so small that many times I knew who was doing it, and often it was a guy in my office that was doing the e-mini/futures pit arbitrage, in size - as in 200up in S&P Futures). Yeah, who am I to go up against Deutsche but I'm a rogue I suppose and I did it for kicks. Call me stupid or childish fine, but I'm not a liar.

These were my confirmations:

A/C :XXX-XXXXXX-X

Order No : xxxxxxx

Date : 30 Jul 2008 02:00:03 GMT (HK Time : 30/07/2008 10:00:03)

XXX Securities Company Limited acknowledges receipt of your order (Order No: xxxxxxx)

to BUY 300,000 shares of MELCO INT'L DEV (Stock: 00200) at Price HKD5.010

When your order has been placed in the market, we will provide you with further e-mail

confirmation/messages in the MESSAGE BOX under your securities account.

A/C :XXX-XXXXXX-X

Order No : xxxxxxx

Date : 30 Jul 2008 02:02:32 GMT (HK Time : 30/07/2008 10:02:32)

XXX Securities Company Limited confirmed that your order (Order No: xxxxxxx) to

BUY 300,000 shares of MELCO INT'L DEV (Stock : 00200) at Price HKD5.010 has been input into the AMS system of Stock Exchange of Hong Kong and requires queuing.

Gross Amount :

HKD 1,503,000.00

Stamp Duty :

HKD 1,503.00

Transaction Levy :

HKD 60.12

Investor Compensation Levy :

HKD 0.00

Brokerage Fee :

HKD 3,757.50

Trading Fee :

HKD 75.15

CCASS Stock Settlement Fee :

HKD 30.06

Net Amount :

HKD 1,508,425.83

We will provide you with further confirmation by e-mail of the full or partial execution

of the order in due course.

A/C :XXX-XXXXXX-X

Order No : xxxxxxx

Date : 30 Jul 2008 02:41:49 GMT (HK Time : 30/07/2008 10:41:49)

Your Order (Order No: xxxxxxx) to BUY 300,000 shares of MELCO INT'L DEV (Stock : 00200) at Price HKD5.010

[is Confirmed Cancelled]

So unless you think I sat here for a half-hour and made up of these orders and numbers out of some elaborate "ruse" to impress all of the so many hot chicks that read the Jobs Forum, you'll see that 1.5million HKD is around 200grand USD, give or take "pocket change." And I think Naam mentioned in another thread that only crazy people would put in orders over 100K USD over the internet, but I did, and in one block. Call me crazy, call me stupid, call me childish, but don't call me a liar. Granted, I did cancel the order. But I wasn't planning on executing it just yet anyway, my friend and I were just checking out my banks trading system (and it's crap - 2 mins from receipt of order to order placement?!)

But to lanna and LaoPo, thanks for the advice. I think I may have to pass on the bet given your advice - which is the reason I asked you guys because I know eff-all about equities, especially casino stocks. If I do make the trade, I'll be sure to update my idiocy.

edit: To LaoPo, I was referring to the Crown only because my friend pulled it out of his ass, we didn't actually know if it traded or who owned it, etc. But we looked it up and it seemed that a company Melco (0200.HK) was the owner, so we just went with that stock, really for no particular reason save the fact that we were standing in front of the Crown when we came up with this moronic wager.

I’ve a friend in town visiting. Right now he and his girl are staying in my house because he got the crap kicked out of him (not his fault) on one of Amazing Thailand’s islands.

I’ve a busted knee so both of us sit around playing Nintendo and make stupid bets. He and I have been making dumb wagers since we were market-makers together.

Now just 2 weeks ago we were in Macau. I was there just for one night, but I got myself into this:

The Drunken Wager:

We're standing in front of the Crown Macau, and to make a long story short, we ended up making a wager of 100grand against his parking spot in Hong Kong that I couldn’t make more money in a casino stock than in a casino. Idiotic, yes.

Now he’s staying at my house and I brought up the bet today:

Me: You serious about the Macau bet?

Him: dam_n right I am. You?

Me: Terms.

Him: Like I said, you buy 100 grand of stock, if you win you win if you lose you lose.

Me: You're an idiot, that's just stupid.

Him: Then take the bet.

Me: I will. But we have to have real terms.

Him: Fine. You gotta buy stock before the start of the Regular Olympics and sell within a week after the Retarted ones end (god bless his un-PC-ness).

Me: That's brutal, no way, you can't screw me over by making me buy before the Olympics and sell after it. Nobody would do that.

Him: Fine, what do you want then?

Me: If I gotta buy before the Olympics, I need time in case we crash.

Him: No way.

Me: It's only fair.

Him: Ok, but then you gotta bet more. 200 grand and you get one year.

Me: Against your spot?

Him: Yeah. And you have to sell in the last week of October 2009(I knew it, he's a freak about October).

Me: My downside is huge then, plus your stupid rules about when i can buy/sell. You've got nothing to lose. My new Deal is Parking spot + your car if you're gonna put restrictions on the weeks I can buy and sell.

Him: No way.

Me: Ok, fine. Parking spot + we trade cars if I win, then.

Him: (thinks) You're on b_tch.

We just did some research and it seems The Crown is owned by a company listed on the Hang Seng, and the stock looks like a dog but what the hel_l do I know about stocks, anyway. Irrelevant, because it’s the terms of the bet that I want some input on. He thinks I’m a jackass for getting on TV and asking this but I like some of you guys and I need some input before I get hosed.

My Analysis:

1. I figure my downside is 100 grand (actually 200 grand, but I'd say a safe downside is to cut the stock in half but then again it could go to zero).

2. My upside is the spot (~100 grand) + trading cars (which are really a wash, but I don't mind a change, plus his is a convertible).

3. And the kicker is that my upside could also include any increase in the stock, if I win.

4. But he gets the huge advantage by making me buy and sell in specific timeframes and using those prices only.

5. Also, I could be sneaky and buy warrants on the stock (if they offer them) to cover some downside.

The way I see it, he has no upside (except bragging rights), and his downside is his parking spot worth about 100grand, I’d say more. It seems like a good bet to me.

I have until the start of the Olympics to seal the deal. This is the largest bet we've ever made with each other by far, but it seems fair -- and would be an awesome story if I won. Probably still a good story if I lost too. .

Am I missing something in thinking the terms seem fair? Yes I know we are totally childish. No need to comment on that. And yes we both give to charity.