Richo68

This is an all too common occurance in Thailand. Thais usually never fight fair, ... they either have a big stick stun gun, knife, gun or lots of friends so the outcome is a foregone conclusion! I have heard of many stories like this and worse. One friend of mine was attacked by three Thai guys, using big pieces of hardwood. They beat him senseless. Smashed up his face, ribs arms and legs. They got a 2,000 baht fine for nearly killing him! Welcome to Thailand! Just leave your wallet open on the table and go somewhere else!

I quit drinking and going out at night, because it is too dangerous for an old farang to be tipsy and/or alone at night. I have been robbed at gun and knife point, had attempts at necklace snatching, had things stolen from my room .... virtually everything I ever had of any value is gone! The double standard in this country makes me sick. Thais can do no wrong and everything is our fault because we came here!

I'd go home or re-locate to somewhere a little more receptive, but I made the other great mistake of marrying a Thai, building a house and store, helping the family, only to be cast aside like an empty food packet when my money as spent. Now, I have to stay here! ...or I'd be long gone too!

We are as welcome as a dose of the clap!

Funny that , i have never experienced any robbing or violence from Thais. I also go out at night and have a few drinks in the middle of Pattaya. I never were valuable neclaces so wouldnt know about that. Never had things stolen from my room or condo in Thailand, all the values I own I am still in the posession of. We must be living in 2 different worlds....

Lucky you. The longer my family member spends in Thailand, the more people he knows from a variety of European countries who have been robbed or involved in trying to flee situations turning violent. The crime stats for Thailand are terrible. If you've avoided being a victim, great. But don't discount the fact that plenty of others have not, and it is not ALWAYS the fault of the robbed or beaten when they are robbed or beaten (a popular notion among those who've never had it happen to them, yet).

Of course that is the case, this is the same for any country in the world.

Thailand is not the same as Australia mate and many other civilized countries. Crimes against tourists are a lot rarer here. The police and justice system in Thailand is a joke too. I guess you're one of the lucky ones who hasn't been affected, yet. I've been pickpocketed, ripped off multiple times. had my room robbed twice and been beaten up by 4 Thai males back in 2009. I've been ripped off by a Thai partner too for thousands. Back in my own country, where i spent 80% of my time, I can't recall one incident in the past ten years. Thais always have their eyes on the money, top priority. Glad to be out of there.

The only "Discover Thainess" campaign I could find on facebook has just 3 likes

https://www.facebook.com/DiscoverThainess

Wallet gone, but drugs left behind, come on?

I guess IF the drugs were planted to discredit the victim, the same cops people who planted them get to take them back.

I wonder what all the 'relatives' were doing while this "one-on-one" fight was going on? I don't believe a word that comes out of the Thai police mouths. Nice to see someone was taking pics before administering first aid I hope the guy makes a full recovery.

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Scum probably got back most of the original amount already. How generous to forgive the interest after the poor lady immolated herself. alt=bah.gif>

Scum? If I give you a credit we together grown up sign a contract. Which has a high interest rate because the risk of not getting the money back is high. Later you don't pay your part and I am the scum??????

No one forced her into borrowing the money. And 400.000 are surely not because she was starving and need some pork to eat together with her rice.

If you are a small farmer 400.000 is a lot money.

Yeah scum....... According to Khaosod, Sangwien’s motive to commit self-immolation was an unfair loan contract. Sangwien reportedly secured a loan for THB400,000 but the creditor took advantage of her ignorance and pressured her into interest rate terms that saw her debt balloon to THB1.5 million.

I wish that this JTJ person would try for once to post one of his erratic doubter hater posts without the letters DNA in it, because this is all he has. He keeps repeating his DNA mantra like a broken record, and while doing this he simply takes the statements of some officials in as facts while calling truth seekers conspiracy theorists because they not take in as facts, but review and take into consideration compromising evidence in form of crime scene photos, witness statements on the internet, Koh Tao insider statements and other uncomfortable findings such as the ones posted on CSI LA in an otherwise completely messed up murder invstigation.

JTsomething and his sheeple (looks like he has a sheeple fan club consisting of the few other TV members that are too superficial to think for themselves and outside the box and look at crime scene photos and non-mainstream pages like CSI LA) on the other hand have absolutely nothing to show but the mantra-alike reciting of the corrupt officials' DNA blabla what by the way until now (according to the RTP statements) seems to be a match only regarding the cigarette buds, not the sperm. And even if...

...the Burmese could simply have sat there, shared an L&M cigarette with the owner of AC Bar (who loves L&M) and perhaps even Hannah. Sean might have played the guitar or went to get the guitar (witness statements vary here). Then, when all hell broke lose and the fight between David and the attackers ignited because someone (Thai) started fondling Hannah while she tried to fend him off, the Burmese ran for their life. I think it is even possible that they returned after some time, saw the mess and while being drunk, took turns in raping the corpse. The murder of Hannah itself was done in rage and hatred, destroying her face beyond recognition. Not necessary to do that if you want to make someone just shut up. These blows were the payback for the rebuff! Something a spoiled HiSo brat or an "I am the man!" knifes and guns lover mini Rambo wouldn't take that easy.

David was most likely attacked and taken out by two persons of which one had a push dagger. None of David's blood was found on the garden hoe! He might have received the big near fatal blow by a rock or perhaps even fell onto a rock, fracturing his skull in the fight, because the hoe wold have caved it in like a ripe melon (as it was the case with poor Hannah). Realising he was still alive and moaning, they pulled him into the water to drown. David's attacker (and killer) was a left hander and taller than an average Thai person according to the CSI findings talking about the angle of the stab wounds and where the majority of wounds was found (right hand side of David's head). I doubt that the murderer who smashed Hannah's face in raped her at all. I think his satisfaction was simply to see her dead, punished, silent with the pretty face that drove him crazy destroyed... Sean might have intervened (dagger marks on his arms and feet) or witnessed the whole scene and needed to be taken out because he is a key witness. I would not be suprised if his dead body is found a few weeks from now, somewhere in Nakhon or whatever after his parents filed a missing persons inquiry... suicide of course with a rope around his neck and some nice colorful bruising...

Yes, this all is speculation, but a story woven by putting the bits and pieces into consideration that the RTP refuses to look at.

Coming back to our good old friend Mr. Thailandjohnthailand (or the other way around and does it matter?)... He calls people conspiracy theorists who express reasonable doubt (JTJ check the dictionary to see what that means), based on findings on crime scene photos, witness statements, missing links and the hundreds of question marks left in the course of this messed up crime scene investigation and the puppeteered reenactment that proves horse$#it, while all he has to show in return is "I believe the RTP"... I believe he has not spend one single minute to even look at the crime scene photos, the stab marks, the whole Sean thing, the photos of the other possible suspects, etc.

How narrow minded and superficial one must be to kick and scream like a little child that was denied its icecream here in this forum, trying to fight the majority who is in doubt while trying to make his point with a fragile and brittle statement: "The DNA and the officials don't lie!" This shallow statement to him feels so strong that it makes the following magically disappear:

A prime Thai suspect disappears can't be reached, later reappears and claims to have been in Bkk while countless witnesses state that he was on the island on the day of the murder and had an argument with the murdered couple in that unfortunate night AND followed them together with some "friends" after they left the bar.

TJT's DNA babble further magically removes Sean, Sean's bloody guitar and the stab wounds on his body, and the frightening "hunt him and hang him!" incident the day or two after the murders, it further makes disappear the quest for a missing murder weapon (push dagger), it makes disappear the travesty of a crime reenactment with two people who have absolutely no clue about what happened so they have to be puppeteered around the crime scene, it makes the DNA traces of a third and possibly fourth person on Hannah's nipples disappear, it makes statements of the accused disappear that they have been tortured to confess or else... and the many other still open question marks in this case. In a proper court this all combined would have the jury in reasonable doubt, and everyone here knows what that means.

I end here, I am tired and sickened knowing that there are people out there so shallow, superficial and narrow minded that they would believe officials everything just because they said so. I just hope they will end up in a similar situation, being accused for something they haven't done and are tortured into a confession. Then they would beg for people like us truth seekers and doubters to come and help them... But since what goes around comes around, most likely they will be all alone out there and the ones in their previous fanclub would be the first ones to shout, "Hang him! Hang him high!" Because the officials and the DNA say he did it!

It's disgusting!

JTJ has all the traits of a paid internet shill.

It seems Thai police have quite a history of 'cover up' when it comes to the murder of foreigners...

THAI police set up two hill-tribe men to take the rap for the murder of Australian student Kelvin Bourke and the rape of his girlfriend Sheri McFarlane in northern Thailand in 2000.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/archive/news/hill-tribe-men-set-up-for-rape-murder-of-aussies/story-e6frg6t6-1111114342679?nk=95aecaa14a36bd4d2559b962948cc4e8

Just as in the case of British backpacker Kirsty Jones, 23, who was murdered and raped in a guest house in Chiang Mai, police in the same year tried to clear up the case by picking on non-Thai nationals.

In both cases they used torture.

In the case of Jones, from Wales, a Karen guide was tortured and police even tried to extract sperm from him, possibly to place in the crime scene.

Their plot was exposed after the Guides Association of Chiang Mai marched on the police station.

I have little doubt police may have roughed these guys up or at minimum deprived them of some of their rights but have nearly no doubt (only doubt is the court has not ruled yet) they have the right guys. Also have no doubt if these suspects were Thai (especially rich) that many of the posters outraged over the abuse of their rights would be screaming for more of their blood.

Police shouldn't abuse any suspects or anyone even rapist murderers but the evidence is just beyond overwhelming against these guys and their DNA samples can be got again by these lawyers and human rights people they confessed and then compared to the DNA results from the crime scene.

The way this is going to go down seems fairly predictable ..... these guys are going to please guilty and do everything in their power to downplay how monstrous their behavior was by saying they were drunk, didn't mean to kill them and so on in hopes of not receiving the death penalty

Lead a sheltered life have we? Or a paid shill perhaps?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/archive/news/hill-tribe-men-set-up-for-rape-murder-of-aussies/story-e6frg6t6-1111114342679?nk=95aecaa14a36bd4d2559b962948cc4e8

Does logical and provable explanations mean anything to the conspiracy nuts? This is what it all started with a phone that police not only allowed the press to take pictures of in the first day of the investigations and stated they had but one they passed off to the family weeks ago and witnessed by UK Embassy people. Yea, it makes the conspiracy goes all the way to the UK where they stole the phone back and planted it at the suspects location last week and just forgot the press and UK authorities and parents knew they returned her phone.

Well this is what started all the conspiracy talk on Facebook. So, it clearly will be hard to drop for some but others will talk about missing video that makes no sense either. The police release video of a suspect go and coming from around the crime scene in hopes of getting the suspect identified but now they claim their is missing video and they want to know who is in those frames. Yet there is not 2-minutes missing there is many many many hours missing. The police release what they wanted to achieve what the wanted from the public and that is identifying the one person in the video coming and going.

All this because folks wanted it to be a rich Thai and because they mistrust the police. Wake up folks, even a liar sometimes tells the truth and the case they are turning over to the courts for their lawyers to defend looks pretty open and shut. Witnesses (including their friends), video, physical evidence at their place, confessions and DNA. And this is just what has come out as none of us has seen police reports or autopsy reports ... but lets no let the Facebook forensic team tell us the cause of death, murder weapon and sequence of blows and if the person was left or right handed and if the injuries were before or after death by using low res images they don't know the exact timing of when they were taken or what may have changed such as blood being wiped away inadvertently or on purpose. How stupid they even do autopsies or go out to crime scenes when a simple photo can tell a laymen so much.

We will all surely hear if they tell their lawyers they are innocent and were forced to confess and reenact the crime ... as well, lawyers will certainly retest their DNA if they have any doubt.

But why talk logic with folks who simply want to believe things like Elvis is still alive ... well actually that has more probability.

I suppose this guy was lying too about what happened to him during the Kirsty Jones murder case? (Another bungled murder case)

"A tourist guide from the Karen hill-tribe, whose tour Kirsty had joined, announced at a police press conference that he was kidnapped by plain-clothed police, taken to a house, and beaten in an attempt to get a confession. Narong Pojanathanrongpong (right) said police even tried to masturbate him,to obtain a sperm sample which he feared they might introduce to the crime scene.

They were unsuccessful and took him out and dumped him by the side of a road out of town, he claimed."

The Chiang Mai Guides Association turned up at Chiang Mai Provincial Police headquarters in force to protest.

http://www.andrew-drummond.com/2011/08/warrant-sought-in-connection-with.html

Yes there's no such thing as police corruption in Thailand LOL or saving face and saving tourism $$$ LOL. Go and read Colin Martin's book Welcome to Hell. Another scapegoat sent to prison in Thailand for a murder he didn't commit. He was tortured for a confession too. No, Burmese migrants never get stitched up in Thailand either LOL , and the perfect squeaky clean Thai police would never dream of tampering with evidence... just ask the Karen hill-tribe tour guide

http://www.irrawaddy.org/burma/burmese-suspects-koh-tao-murders-tortured-interrogation-lawyer.html

Sounds like you need a good dose of reality.

Open and shut case my A**

Does logical and provable explanations mean anything to the conspiracy nuts? This is what it all started with a phone that police not only allowed the press to take pictures of in the first day of the investigations and stated they had but one they passed off to the family weeks ago and witnessed by UK Embassy people. Yea, it makes the conspiracy goes all the way to the UK where they stole the phone back and planted it at the suspects location last week and just forgot the press and UK authorities and parents knew they returned her phone.

Well this is what started all the conspiracy talk on Facebook. So, it clearly will be hard to drop for some but others will talk about missing video that makes no sense either. The police release video of a suspect go and coming from around the crime scene in hopes of getting the suspect identified but now they claim their is missing video and they want to know who is in those frames. Yet there is not 2-minutes missing there is many many many hours missing. The police release what they wanted to achieve what the wanted from the public and that is identifying the one person in the video coming and going.

All this because folks wanted it to be a rich Thai and because they mistrust the police. Wake up folks, even a liar sometimes tells the truth and the case they are turning over to the courts for their lawyers to defend looks pretty open and shut. Witnesses (including their friends), video, physical evidence at their place, confessions and DNA. And this is just what has come out as none of us has seen police reports or autopsy reports ... but lets no let the Facebook forensic team tell us the cause of death, murder weapon and sequence of blows and if the person was left or right handed and if the injuries were before or after death by using low res images they don't know the exact timing of when they were taken or what may have changed such as blood being wiped away inadvertently or on purpose. How stupid they even do autopsies or go out to crime scenes when a simple photo can tell a laymen so much.

We will all surely hear if they tell their lawyers they are innocent and were forced to confess and reenact the crime ... as well, lawyers will certainly retest their DNA if they have any doubt.

But why talk logic with folks who simply want to believe things like Elvis is still alive ... well actually that has more probability.

The police posted on social media that anyone circulating alternative theories against the police's official story would be prosecuted

Haha then they'll have to round up half the planet

That picture is priceless.

I think the cop is stealing his watch.

Haha nice one and probably true

BOYCOTT KOH TAO!

Seriously, they need a wake up call on these islands. Dont go there, and implore everyone you know not to go there either.

Let them feel this where it really hurts, the pocket!

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I dont believe its a burmese for a second. Its a local who thinks he is above the law.

Damn straight! Where is the justice? It's all about the money and losing face. Boycott Koh Tao!

So many here seem convinced this is another police frame-up. Can someone please provide any links to stories where the Thai police have a history of framing innocent people in a capital murder case? In the USA, if a cop did that, they'd be eligible for the death penalty in some states.

I'm new to Thailand, so I'd really like to know. Thanks.

Google Colin Martin and his book "Welcome to Hell"

B.S.

This was a crime of anger and fury.

What an outrageous insult to the families.

Absolutely.

These cretins must think that the rest of the world is stupid.

But the BIB are probably running around beating their chests saying "we are so clever aren't we"

An abolutely sickening & disgusting attempt to hood wink the world.

They will now be expecting plane loads of gullible tourists arriving for the high season.

I agree and they now want to charge an entrance fee for the privilege. Unbelievable.

Thai Police find a suspect who confesses and you still don't believe it.

I know a thai person could not do these crimes.

The other day a Taxi Driver spoke of how the "Thai" police offered him 700,000 thb for a false confession.

AND

If a "Thai person" could rape a young girl on a train and then throw her out the window why would you speak such foolishness?? Does being "Thai" make someone better in some way than every other race of humans?

Please re-think your view here. Show a little common sense!

Spot on. And don't forget the "Thai" man who stabbed his wife and daughter and burnt them in the car the other day. I think all that mindless, brainwashing crap they have on TV over there is really dumbing down the nation?

Stitch up for sure! I wonder how much of a beating the so-called suspect endured before he finally gave a "confession"?

Read Colin Martin's book Welcome To Hell where he talks about how he had a murder confession beaten out of him in Bangkok

and there are countless others (google it). The Kirsty Jones murder case in Chiang Mai in 2000 was also a huge shambles and

cover up just like this.

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Thai Police find a suspect who confesses and you still don't believe it.

I know a thai person could not do these crimes.

Haha, yeah right and thai police don't bash confessions out of innocent people either.