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And, of course, Abhisit and the Yellow Shirts were perfect angels, weren't they?

Nobody has said they are.

Why imply people are saying what you say they are saying when they aren't.

In other words, why lie?

Right, Prayuth is not permitted to talk with someone wanted by the law. Really? So that is why he is talking to Souther insurgents accused of murdering women and children and that is why he spoke with Suthep many times.

Suthep is not a fugitive and this thread is not about him.

Bevause the red shirts are evil and have committed terribke crimes under their ousted fugitive leader.

They are dangerous for the future of Thailand.

The Red Shirts are the future of this nation and they will eventually make it free, open, progressive, egalitarian, just and fair.

Just as Pol Pot did for his nation.

Bevause the red shirts are evil and have committed terribke crimes under their ousted fugitive leader.

They are dangerous for the future of Thailand.

It's this kind of thinking that keeps Thailand divided. A majority of the red shirts are good people who believe they're helping Thailand. There's not doubt that numerous self-proclaimed red shirts have committed violent terrorist attacks to further their cause but we cannot judge the majority on the mistakes of a minority, if we do that then we are all guilty.

There's a simple solution.

Just if red shirts disengaged from those members that are violent, bar the thugs from their movement, criticize and condemn any violent action by any red shirt, revoke leadership roles for those that behave criminally, cooperate with authorities to prosecute those misbehaving, stop financially supporting fugitives and assist in their apprehension. etc. etc.

When none of that happens to any degree (such as up to the present), then they deservedly get painted with the broad brush. By doing nothing to distance themselves from the so-called violent element, it's understandable that others would not think they were sincere in the alleged goals of furthering the poor and rural.

This is the same political party who refused, threatened, and coerced any opposition from speaking the truths about them or from completing a job that went against them. I think they dont have room to talk about this to anyone.... They used it all burning coffins and blocking the justices and threatening judges and other very very bad things. They would not know what reconciliation was unless it freed them from the responsibility of facing criminal charges against them for their actions.

funny... just like the yellow

This topic was not about the yellow shirts so you are misdirecting it.

Aren't the people being controlled by the red leaders and Thaksin by use of manipulation using force, money, hatred, social status, and many other forms of control?

Simple answer is NO No Thais I know

So if you didn't personally see it within your own very limited demographic circle, it's impossible that it happened anywhere at anytime and others saying differently, with very detailed specifics, must be falsely propagandizing and lying.

yeah, ok.

"The military should be neutral and not publicly paint the red shirts as villains."

The red shirts did a great job of publicly painting themselves as villains all by themselves.

"hardline red-shirt leader Kwanchai Praipana"

This habitually very violent criminal is the absolutely last person to speak about reconciliation.

If the red shirts want to progress, they need to dump these thugs and miscreants (including Thaksin) that supposedly are speaking for them.

Until such time, they remain tainted by the despicable actions of those that are seen as in charge of them.

Indeed. It was his actions of leading 200 Red Shirts to attack the 1st Infantry barracks on the afternoon of 10 April 2010 that prompted the attempted clearance operation that evening that saw Thailand's worst bloodshed in decades. In my opinion, this assault was intended to provoke a military operation, which is why the MiB were able to plan their reaction so effectively.

Two posts with one photo to reflect both.

Red shirts on April 10, 2010:

http://nsnbc.me/2014/05/15/thailand-collapsing-regime-turns-terrorism/

Actually, it's still a no, as we find trusting you to relay accurate information is more than a bit risky.

Heybruce didn't point out "the obvious", but at least he did provide the info to find the actual article that you neglected to include in your supposed quote of the alleged article.

You left out important information in your quote of the article such as that other banking analysts see things quite differently to what you say.

Additionally, there is not one single reference to D & B in it.

If you are citing a different article for that, once again, rather than quoting from an article that you won't link, perhaps, once again, it's best if you don't quote it in the first place.

Your attempt at deceiving other forum members is duly noted.

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I mentioned that it has been widely reported, and Heybruce's recommendation comes up with one of the reports, albeit not what I referenced.

The D&B reference is to a D&B report.

As said, if you're not willing to provide a link to a quote, it becomes an unverified quote and best to not bother quoting ANY OF IT in the first place.

Seems very straight forward and it seems all the other forum members comply with this basic tenet of forum etiquette.

Perhaps you see yourself as special and don't need to follow what all others do.

quack

Fair enough.

You have nothing to justify your obfuscation and dishonesty.

In the future, probably best for others to just report your posts of unlinked quotes at first posting and have them deleted as per forum protocol.

Thus avoid your obfuscating followed by nonsensical quacking.

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So actually that's a no then and we're left with trusting you to paraphrase an article that doesn't have proof of existence.

In other words, if you can't link a quoted reference, probably best not to quote it in the first place.

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Actually that is a "yes", but since the forum rules and the laws of Thailand both would prohibit me from posting the 2 that I reference, I did not.

The parts of both which deal with the economic impact would be allowed here, but there are parts of the documents which would not be allowed here. The D&B is a PDF which states :

Recommendations n DO NOT disseminate this Special Briefing to associates based in or due to travel to Thailand; it covers the (deleted), punishable under Thai law

And since Heybruce already pointed out the obvious, no, you are not left with trusting me, either.

Actually, it's still a no, as we find trusting you to relay accurate information is more than a bit risky.

Heybruce didn't point out "the obvious", but at least he did provide the info to find the actual article that you neglected to include in your supposed quote of the alleged article.

You left out important information in your quote of the article such as that other banking analysts see things quite differently to what you say.

Additionally, there is not one single reference to D & B in it.

If you are citing a different article for that, once again, rather than quoting from an article that you won't link, perhaps, once again, it's best if you don't quote it in the first place.

Your attempt at deceiving other forum members is duly noted.

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I mentioned that it has been widely reported, and Heybruce's recommendation comes up with one of the reports, albeit not what I referenced.

The D&B reference is to a D&B report.

As said, if you're not willing to provide a link to a quote, it becomes an unverified quote and best to not bother quoting ANY OF IT in the first place.

Seems very straight forward and it seems all the other forum members comply with this basic tenet of forum etiquette.

Perhaps you see yourself as special and don't need to follow what all others do.

Any links for your unlinked, alleged news source Economist quote?

Not that we distrust your paraphrasing or wonder if it actually exists.

yes, but since both articles/documents also discuss things that are illegal to discuss in Thailand, I did not post them.

So actually that's a no then and we're left with trusting you to paraphrase an article that doesn't have proof of existence.

In other words, if you can't link a quoted reference, probably best not to quote it in the first place.

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Actually that is a "yes", but since the forum rules and the laws of Thailand both would prohibit me from posting the 2 that I reference, I did not.

The parts of both which deal with the economic impact would be allowed here, but there are parts of the documents which would not be allowed here. The D&B is a PDF which states :

Recommendations n DO NOT disseminate this Special Briefing to associates based in or due to travel to Thailand; it covers the (deleted), punishable under Thai law

And since Heybruce already pointed out the obvious, no, you are not left with trusting me, either.

Actually, it's still a no, as we find trusting you to relay accurate information is more than a bit risky.

Heybruce didn't point out "the obvious", but at least he did provide the info to find the actual article that you neglected to include in your supposed quote of the alleged article.

You left out important information in your quote of the article such as that other banking analysts see things quite differently to what you say.

Additionally, there is not one single reference to D & B in it.

If you are citing a different article for that, once again, rather than quoting from an article that you won't link, perhaps, once again, it's best if you don't quote it in the first place.

Your attempt at deceiving other forum members is duly noted.

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Hilarious to see anyone quote one of the most laughable of wannabe journalists eking out an existence in Thailand.

A red shirt fan that was laughed at for claiming crowds of 300,000 for a red shirt rally when all other journalists, with far more credibility, were saying 25,000. A marginalized photojournalist existing on the fringe and now he thinks he's a financial and economic analyst.

Ha..ha.. ha.. Laughable.

the economic numbers are real and serious for the country. Academics and business analysts are in agreement that the coup has cost billions to the Thai economy, and that it is not getting better fast.

Economist: Thailand is the slowest growing SE Asia economy in 2013, 204, 2015, and 2016, and Dun & Bradstreet point to 1% growth in 2014....

Any links for your unlinked, alleged news source Economist quote?

Not that we distrust your paraphrasing or wonder if it actually exists.

yes, but since both articles/documents also discuss things that are illegal to discuss in Thailand, I did not post them.

So actually that's a no then and we're left with trusting you to paraphrase an article that doesn't have proof of existence.

In other words, if you can't link a quoted reference, probably best not to quote it in the first place.

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how many coups now? 20? is that in the Guinness Book of Records?

phffftt... not even close.

Bolivia has experienced more than 150 coups or attempted coups.

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/06/03/world/army-unrest-stirs-bolivia-the-land-of-coups.html

The redshirt culprit and his red shirt lawyer wonder why bail is not allowed?

If the redshirts and their leaders didn't keep running away they might be trusted?

After all its only guilty people who run.

Is that why Suthep and his nephew Nomsod are both in the monastery? Isn't that where Thais tend to "run" to when things get a bit on the hot side ?

This issue doesn't involve Suthep, it involves red shirts.

Read the OP again.

It involves a claim that only red shirts do runners from justice

The thread doesn't involve who did or did not do a runner.

It involves a red shirt that allegedly forged and promulgated a fake announcement by Royal Household Bureau.

Read the OP again.

* Thai Economy Loses $12 billion in 2014 Whats Ahead for 2015? John Le Fevre, January 15, 2015.

Hilarious to see anyone quote one of the most laughable of wannabe journalists eking out an existence in Thailand.

A red shirt fan that was laughed at for claiming crowds of 300,000 for a red shirt rally when all other journalists, with far more credibility, were saying 25,000. A marginalized photojournalist existing on the fringe and now he thinks he's a financial and economic analyst.

Ha..ha.. ha.. Laughable.

the economic numbers are real and serious for the country. Academics and business analysts are in agreement that the coup has cost billions to the Thai economy, and that it is not getting better fast.

Economist: Thailand is the slowest growing SE Asia economy in 2013, 204, 2015, and 2016, and Dun & Bradstreet point to 1% growth in 2014....

Any links for your unlinked, alleged news source Economist quote?

Not that we distrust your paraphrasing or wonder if it actually exists.

* Thai Economy Loses $12 billion in 2014 Whats Ahead for 2015? John Le Fevre, January 15, 2015.

Hilarious to see anyone quote one of the most laughable of wannabe journalists eking out an existence in Thailand.

A red shirt fan that was laughed at for claiming crowds of 300,000 for a red shirt rally when all other journalists, with far more credibility, were saying 25,000. A marginalized photojournalist existing on the fringe and now he thinks he's a financial and economic analyst.

Ha..ha.. ha.. Laughable.

Got to disagree with Khun Pornkwan when he said

Pornkwan is a red shirt sympathizing woman.

Unsuprised that you would agree with a red shirt sympathizer.

Thaksin govt. by BY FAR THE LEAST corrupt in the history of Thailand, according to Transparency International.

You double posted across another thread when you said the same thing elsewhere two hours prior.

Next government is bound to carry out reforms or faces punishment

Thaksin govt. was by far the least corrupt in the history of Thailand according to Transparency International

The reply there remains unchanged here:

What we do know from Transparency International is that sister Yingluck's government was the MOST CORRUPT in Thailand's history with its worst score ever.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/thailand-slips-global-corruption-survey/

Thaksin govt. was by far the least corrupt in the history of Thailand according to Transparency International

What we do know from Transparency International is that sister Yingluck's government was the MOST CORRUPT in Thailand's history with its worst score ever.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/thailand-slips-global-corruption-survey/

I've been living in Bangkok just over a year now

That's quite evident.

Selective amnesia - look at the headlines from a year ago.

Indeed. Unsurprising that Red Shirt Sympathizer Pongkwan, Red Shirt Leader Sombat, and Red Shirt Lawyer Anon are the ones with selective amnesia.

The redshirt culprit and his red shirt lawyer wonder why bail is not allowed?

If the redshirts and their leaders didn't keep running away they might be trusted?

After all its only guilty people who run.

Is that why Suthep and his nephew Nomsod are both in the monastery? Isn't that where Thais tend to "run" to when things get a bit on the hot side ?

This issue doesn't involve Suthep, it involves red shirts. Read the OP again.

Good grief, do the police not have any real crimes they should be investigating, instead of putting all their effort into this sort of silly crap?

What you consider "silly crap" is considered a very serious matter to the citizens of Thailand.